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[TheBlueRooster]

Excuses (I'm not saying that is what you are doing necessarily)

But if we continue to make excuses and say 'it was because of this' and 'because of that' we will never see any form of success.

We always have excuses at the ready. This comes from the board.

It needs to stop.

I wasn't making excuses for the owners or the board. But blaming them for everything that goes wrong at the club in my opinion is wrong. In the recent history we have done rather well but the players not the board have fallen short. League Cup finals Champions League final and the Premier League we have failed when we have been in the position to to do better.

People keep saying "ENIC OUT" but what is the alternative? We'd probably end up with a Glazer type takeover or Abudabi Utd oil billionaire buyer the very things we all hate.

 

[HodisGawd]

I hope the Enic outters have taken notice of what's happening at Burnley. The new owners have bought the club so they can use its revenue to service their debt, exactly like the Glazers.

That is the alternative.

Get real and give up this delusional nonsense.

 

[shelfboy68]

Well when you're presented with an alternate reality which as I already said would have put us in an even worse position financially which would eventually harm the club then most sensible choice would have to accept to join the ESL.

It's not about having it both way it's just basic common sense to want what's best for your club whether morals or values come into it or not. Whether it was ENIC or not is besides the point really, I expect any other CEO who's job is to protect their company to do the same thing. The point is that if ENIC weren't in charge whoever would have been in charge would have put us forward, that's not deflection that's just plain old business sense.

Of course it's not the right thing to do but in this case it was an in or out option and such was the financial opportunity for the club you'd rather be in then out because if you were out...unless you think that the club would continue to chug along with it's £1b debt, who do you think would end up paying for it?

This is merely another stick to beat ENIC and Levy with which I totally get by the way, outrage away...but you'd be more upset in the long term when we as a club would become an irrelevance yet again due to mismanagement by the board, push the ego and faux outrage to one side and open your eyes for a change.

FFS really

 

[yankspurs]

I hope the Enic outters have taken notice of what's happening at Burnley. The new owners have bought the club so they can use its revenue to service their debt, exactly like the Glazers.

That is the alternative.

Get real and give up this delusional nonsense.

Oh that’s the only alternative? We’ll either be stuck witn ENIC or have owners like the Glazers? Really?

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I hope the Enic outters have taken notice of what's happening at Burnley. The new owners have bought the club so they can use its revenue to service their debt, exactly like the Glazers.

That is the alternative.

Get real and give up this delusional nonsense.

Obviously it is not the only alternative, that's just rubbish. But that has just GOT to be an invitation to be equally ridiculous Here goes.......

I hope the BSoDL are taking notice of what's happening at Manchester City. Their owners have won multiple cups and titles and soon, perhaps even a Champions League. Exactly like Abramovich.

That is the alternative

Get real and give up this delusional nonsense.

 

[DiVaio]

Someone should ask Mr levy if he was his own manager would he still have a role in footballing matters considering his record.

Clearly not. I dont want a revolution but questions should be asked and he has to take it seriously.

??????

 

[SirNiNyHotspur]

I hope the Enic outters have taken notice of what's happening at Burnley. The new owners have bought the club so they can use its revenue to service their debt, exactly like the Glazers.

That is the alternative.

Get real and give up this delusional nonsense.

Or we could do a Leeds or even worse drop our 20 year positional average from 6.2179053 to 7.126787 or whatever you’re figures were, yep think it’s better to stick, if we can get up to 5.2278 positional average and win another league cup next 20 years what’s not to like, heck, we could maybe be 4th richest club by then and have a property portfolio with half of London

 

[TheBlueRooster]

Obviously it is not the only alternative, that's just rubbish. But that has just GOT to be an invitation to be equally ridiculous Here goes.......

I hope the BSoDL are taking notice of what's happening at Manchester City. Their owners have won multiple cups and titles and soon, perhaps even a Champions League. Exactly like Abramovich.

That is the alternative

Get real and give up this delusional nonsense.

Now I wouldn't be opposed to either of those ideas. I don't have any objection to what has happened there. It doesn't bother me that City or Chelsea have had owners who can bleed money into their clubs. Changing ownership like for like would be a pointless exercise for the fans.
At the same time I will be happy to see if when this pandemic is over and fans and events can return to the stadium if things improve the finances to change things on the field.

 

[Albertbarich]

??????

Sorry if it was badly worded or just you think it's a load of bollocks , I was supposed to be working.

So I believe that it's fair and reasonable that levy be asked to judge himself on the same standards that he judges managers to.

So 20 years in, one trophy , failed appointments galore. If levy was in charge of the person who stood over that would he still allow him to carry on choosing managers? I really really doubt it.

I dont think its unreasonable that as a fanbase we question the chairman's record and ask why he believes he should be still making these decisions and not concentrating on the business side of things. Lets not forget his failure to land a naming rights is costing the club millions right now. That has to be rectified ASAP.

 

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[nico97531]

Because chaos, and unpredictability of football.
Leicester took adventage of off season of giants, our lack of experience and evry one including referee s wanting them to succeed.
Lill similar story plus Baruk Yilmaz.
Look at Athletico ,both Real and Barcelona are in crisis and they still may come short.

I belive that Pochettino overachieved and board was not quick enough to react.Then COVID happend.
Now we have stadium, according to them we ready to “really” compete let’s see how they do.

But didn’t we heard the same thing before we got into the CL, that once we are in, it will provide the means for us to compete with the top teams for honors and top players? That didn’t really happen did it? For all the seasons that we were in the CL, the best player of our team came from our academy, we are still signing leftovers who the top teams didn’t really want.

Yes poch overachieved and we hit the jackpot with Kane but instead of capitalizing on our luck of a lifetime and push the team over the line Levy choose to let the team stagnate and by that I don’t mean he isn’t willing to invest to some degree as I am sure he did offer players to Poch during those two seasons but did he offered great players that had the quality to push us over the line or did he offer good players to help us stay where we are?

That’s the feeling I got from Levy since we broke into the CL, he’s only willing to invest the amount that will help us to stay where we are. I am sure that’s sound business decision but the opportunity was right there in front of us.

And now it appears our luck is finally running out, next season will be a pivotal moment as loris is on his last year, Son is 29 and Kane wants out, do I think Levy will do what it takes to change our fortune and change Kane’s mind, no I don’t think he will, we will get feed the line that he’s doing the best he can under the circumstances which as usual is no where near good enough and Kane will be sold when the season ends as he’s not going to renew his contract. This then will complete the cycle and put us back to where we started in 2014.

We had been accusing the players of lacking the desire required for winning games but couldn’t the same be said about Levy? I am not doubting his desire to grow our club as a business as what he’s achieved on that front is there for all to see but I just don’t think he has the same desire that is required to lead us to glory.

 

[DiVaio]

Sorry if it was badly worded or just you think it's a load of bollocks , I was supposed to be working.

So I believe that it's fair and reasonable that levy be asked to judge himself on the same standards that he judges managers to.

So 20 years in, one trophy , failed appointments galore. If levy was in charge of the person who stood over that would he still allow him to carry on choosing managers? I really really doubt it.

I dont think its unreasonable that as a fanbase we question the chairman's record and ask why he believes he should be still making these decisions and not concentrating on the business side of things. Lets not forget his failure to land a naming rights is costing the club millions right now. That has to be rectified ASAP.

Well you don't even judge defenders and strikers by the same standards, so why would it be with managers and owners who are completely different roles

 

[MassadaTom]

....... to lead us to glory.

I distinctly remember that 5 years plan was to get into CL when we get new stadium.
That was Pooch main requirement, build team to be ready to reach riches of CL on new stadium.
Poch overdelivered and got us to CL final and board was not ready for such success.

 

[Albertbarich]

Well you don't even judge defenders and strikers by the same standards, so why would it be with managers and owners who are completely different roles

You judge them to the same standards in that if they continuously fail to do something you either adjust their role or drop them.

 

[Beni]

Sorry but as a fan, and member at Tottenham, I shouldn’t have to pay then more money to become a member of the Trust to have my voice heard. Fan representation and the voices are Season Ticket holders, fans that go to the games, and fan forums. Not once have a seen anyone from the Trust posted a thread or try and communicate with the fans from this forum, like a survey or anything in order to get our opinions.

The Trust coming out that they’re the ‘Voice’ of the Spurs fans, errrm sorry, no you’re not. Particularly with my first sentence and secondly, their members represent about 1% of our stadium capacity in comparison to how many fans we have worldwide.

Trust need to just draw a line under it, meet with the board and stop this childish public back and forth.

 

[rossdapep]

Obviously it is not the only alternative, that's just rubbish. But that has just GOT to be an invitation to be equally ridiculous Here goes.......

I hope the BSoDL are taking notice of what's happening at Manchester City. Their owners have won multiple cups and titles and soon, perhaps even a Champions League. Exactly like Abramovich.

That is the alternative

Get real and give up this delusional nonsense.

Or Liverpool's owners who declared their desire to win the biggest trophies again.

I don't know why people are so fixated on the bad cases, there's plenty of cases in which the new owners are more ambitious on the pitch. Add Leicester and Villa too.

With the stadium and all the other prospects there's no reason we can't attract owners who want to make us into a similar club as City - globally dominant. I'm not suggesting we have a state or oligarch in control but a consortium backed by a multi-billion company, etc.

 

[dontcallme]

So to be clear. If we got new owners they could be better or worse than what we have now.

 

[SandroClegane]

Or Liverpool's owners who declared their desire to win the biggest trophies again.

I don't know why people are so fixated on the bad cases, there's plenty of cases in which the new owners are more ambitious on the pitch. Add Leicester and Villa too.

With the stadium and all the other prospects there's no reason we can't attract owners who want to make us into a similar club as City - globally dominant. I'm not suggesting we have a state or oligarch in control but a consortium backed by a multi-billion company, etc.

Wasn't the point of the stadium so that THIS ownership group could build us into a similar club to the others? If COVID didn't happen, could we have potentially have spent millions in the transfer market to make us "more ambitious on the pitch"?

This ownership group has done everything but win trophies, BUT we've been in situations to win trophies, and the manager/players have let us down in big moments. That's not all on Levy as much as people want to blame him.

 

[SecretLemonadeDrinker]

Apologies I must have been on a different forum and missed all that positive stuff about THST, and Joe and Dan have never done a shady thing in their lives, can alway$ depend on them to do what'$ be$t for u$ fan$, would never look to $haft u$ over, as you were...

Why should there be a lot of positive stuff specifically about the Trust? All that matters is that most people on here are broadly in agreement with the Trust about the ESL. If they nevertheless disagree with the way that the Trust has gone about it, why shouldn't they be able to say so? Especially if they have also criticised the club for the way that it has gone about it?

Again, I'd be interested to learn what evidence you have to support your claim that ENIC are a "pile of shady crooks". That's a strong accusation.

 

[jimbo]

Sorry but as a fan, and member at Tottenham, I shouldn’t have to pay then more money to become a member of the Trust to have my voice heard.

You don't have to pay to join THST, associate membership is free.