ENIC...

[mkkid]

Its been asked before, and rarely anyone who brings up the cup winning failures answers the question.

We have been to countless semi-finals and enough finals in that time and lost, often to teams no better than ours.

How on earth is that ENIC's fault? How are they to blame for not winning last years CL trophy yet not given praise for getting you there in the first place?

We have 100% definitely, without question had good enough teams to win competitions over the last 20 years. Worse teams than ours have. So please explain how losing semi-finals to Portsmouth, Chelsea, Man U etc, when we were more than capable of winning those games and had already beaten those same teams in the same seasons, explain how those are ENIC's fault.

They have certainly made errors in the past and will continue to do so I'm sure. But I personally believe we, as the 2nd to 5th best team in the entire country for the last however many seasons were given good enough tools by ENIC to win something.

we were battered in all those semi apart from Ports

Its been asked before, and rarely anyone who brings up the cup winning failures answers the question.

We have been to countless semi-finals and enough finals in that time and lost, often to teams no better than ours.

How on earth is that ENIC's fault? How are they to blame for not winning last years CL trophy yet not given praise for getting you there in the first place?

We have 100% definitely, without question had good enough teams to win competitions over the last 20 years. Worse teams than ours have. So please explain how losing semi-finals to Portsmouth, Chelsea, Man U etc, when we were more than capable of winning those games and had already beaten those same teams in the same seasons, explain how those are ENIC's fault.

They have certainly made errors in the past and will continue to do so I'm sure. But I personally believe we, as the 2nd to 5th best team in the entire country for the last however many seasons were given good enough tools by ENIC to win something.

Bar the Portsmouth semi , spurs have been outplayed in all those semi finals.
Every time , Enic should have strengthened the playing squad they have come up short, constantly.
From the season, we sold bertoatov and kean and replaced them with Frasier I’m a donkey campbell And literally wrote off the season.To then magically buy him back as the cash cow was in danger of being relegated.
The Sasha and Nelson season, when we could of won the league.
A club that didn’t sign a player for 2 windows and the result of this is now playing out on the pitch now.
Losing one of the best midfielders in the league because the genius in charge didn’t pay him , what he was worth.

 

[dudu]

we were battered in all those semi apart from Ports


Bar the Portsmouth semi , spurs have been outplayed in all those semi finals.
Every time , Enic should have strengthened the playing squad they have come up short, constantly.
From the season, we sold bertoatov and kean and replaced them with Frasier I’m a donkey campbell And literally wrote off the season.To then magically buy him back as the cash cow was in danger of being relegated.
The Sasha and Nelson season, when we could of won the league.
A club that didn’t sign a player for 2 windows and the result of this is now playing out on the pitch now.
Losing one of the best midfielders in the league because the genius in charge didn’t pay him , what he was worth.

So we were outplayed because of ENIC?

We were tactically outplayed vs Man U in '18, not because they had better players than us on the pitch. We had lost 1 game in 15 domestically when we lost that semi-final, beating Man U in that streak. Guess what ENIC went out and got the guy who did that to us.

We'd also spent 100+ million on players that year in Sanchez, Aurier, Llorente, Moura


What about vs Chelsea in '17, where we had lost 1 in 16 games domestically before that, again, beating them in that streak 2-0.

Could we have strengthened more the summer previous, sure, but its not like we didn't strengthen at all and clearly, we assembled a pretty decent team considering we went unbeaten for our entire season at home and only lost 4 times in the league all year.

But I guess when we do well, it has nothing to do with ENIC.

 

[daryl hannah]

So we were outplayed because of ENIC?

We were tactically outplayed vs Man U in '18, not because they had better players than us on the pitch. We had lost 1 game in 15 when we lost that semi-final, beating Man U in that streak. Guess what ENIC went out and got the guy who did that to us.

We'd also spent 100+ million on players that year in Sanchez, Aurier, Llorente, Moura


What about vs Chelsea in '17, where we had lost 1 in 16 games before that, again, beating them in that streak 2-0.

Could we have strengthened more the summer previous, sure, but its not like we didn't strengthen at all and clearly, we assembled a pretty decent team considering we went unbeaten for our entire season at home and only lost 4 times in the league all year.

But I guess when we do well, it has nothing to do with ENIC.

FFS spin it according to whether you see the gold and black dress or the blue and white dress...

Poch said it best in his famous presser: "You have to give me different tools or I am the stupidest guy to work."

That says everything you need to know right there.

 

[vegassd]

we were battered in all those semi apart from Ports


Bar the Portsmouth semi , spurs have been outplayed in all those semi finals.
Every time , Enic should have strengthened the playing squad they have come up short, constantly.
From the season, we sold bertoatov and kean and replaced them with Frasier I’m a donkey campbell And literally wrote off the season.To then magically buy him back as the cash cow was in danger of being relegated.
The Sasha and Nelson season, when we could of won the league.
A club that didn’t sign a player for 2 windows and the result of this is now playing out on the pitch now.
Losing one of the best midfielders in the league because the genius in charge didn’t pay him , what he was worth.

Look... I know you're a troll and only pop out every now and then to wind people up, but do you even understand what you are saying in these last few posts? You're actually justifying the decisions that ENIC have taken regarding the direction of the club. You're an ENIC fan and I get the impression you don't even know it!

So you said that "Kane thinks the same too" relating to the recent rumours about him wanting to leave if we don't qualify for the CL next season. Well if we are to believe those rumours (big if) then that indicates the importance of qualifying for the CL doesn't it. Trophies along the way are amazing but if missing out on CL football would be enough to turn Kane's head that must show you the mindset of a lot of modern footballers.

You said that ENIC should have strengthened the squad before losing semi-finals. You understand that there is a transfer window right? That we can't buy new players before every match? When we lost to Chelsea and to United we had beaten both of those teams earlier in the respective seasons. So what is it that you think should be done? Genuine question.

You mention Berbatov and Keane. We weren't able to hold onto players like Berbatov back then - we didn't have the money or the appeal to be able to. You also mention Eriksen and seem to think that he left because of money. The reality is that our club is now in a position where we could offer Eriksen enough money to stay - something we couldn't do with Berbatov.

So with those two examples you have demonstrated the progress that ENIC have made. I would actually go further and say you have praised ENIC for recognising that we absolutely had to increase revenues in order to hold onto our best players. You've identified one of the core principles of the "ENIC model" and given it your blessing.

Bottom line is you need to come up with some actual reasons to dislike the owners. I know you want to take that position, but if you keep using the examples above you're kind of arguing with yourself.

 

[dudu]

FFS spin it according to whether you see the gold and black dress or the blue and white dress...

Poch said it best in his famous presser: "You have to give me different tools or I am the stupidest guy to work."

That says everything you need to know right there.

What famous presser was that?

Was he given unlimited fund to use? No, but in his time here he undeniably had a collection of players good enough to win a cup.

Are you saying he didn't?

 

[daryl hannah]

What famous presser was that?

Was he given unlimited fund to use? No, but in his time here he undeniably had a collection of players good enough to win a cup.

Are you saying he didn't?

According to Pochettino himself, what you are saying is very naive. See below.

“Because if we believe that if we operate in the same way that we have operated in the last five years we are going to be in the final of the Champions League every season, and we are going to be every season in the top four and competing against projects like Liverpool or Manchester City or Manchester United, I think we are very naive.

“We need to create a plan and that plan maybe is different to what has happened in the last five years.

“So I want to be clear, I want to be honest. First of all with my club, with my players, with our fans and relay the right message.

“If the people expect the same things, give me different tools to work with. If not, I would be the most stupid person to work.”

Mauricio Pochettino ready to QUIT Tottenham for ONE reason

MAURICIO POCHETTINO is ready to quit Tottenham after the Champions League final if he does not get the assurances he wants about the future from Daniel Levy.

www.express.co.uk

 

[Donki]

According to Pochettino himself, what you are saying is very naive. See below.

“Because if we believe that if we operate in the same way that we have operated in the last five years we are going to be in the final of the Champions League every season, and we are going to be every season in the top four and competing against projects like Liverpool or Manchester City or Manchester United, I think we are very naive.

“We need to create a plan and that plan maybe is different to what has happened in the last five years.

“So I want to be clear, I want to be honest. First of all with my club, with my players, with our fans and relay the right message.

“If the people expect the same things, give me different tools to work with. If not, I would be the most stupid person to work.”

Mauricio Pochettino ready to QUIT Tottenham for ONE reason

MAURICIO POCHETTINO is ready to quit Tottenham after the Champions League final if he does not get the assurances he wants about the future from Daniel Levy.

www.express.co.uk

What has that got to do with what @dudu asked you about the ability of his squad to win something?

Also he got 2 transfers that broke the clubs record transfers, so clearly the club were changing tact.

 

[Shadydan]

Levy did negotiate a good deal for Wanyama but he didn't want to go to Belgium. Can't say I blame him.

He did, he just had reservations about flying which initially stalled the deal, Levy did fuck that one up though as he asked Brugge for more deposit money than initially agreed.

 

[dontcallme]

He did, he just had reservations about flying which initially stalled the deal, Levy did fuck that one up though as he asked Brugge for more deposit money than initially agreed.

What's your source for that? My understanding at the time was we agreed a deal and were angry when the player refused the move.

It has since come out that he has only just got his British citizenship. I highly doubt he would lose his permanent citizenship to spend an extra 6 months in Belgium.

 

[Shadydan]

People's ability to argue with absolutely zero context is amazing, I'm just sat here at my desk laughing at some of these posts

 

[Donki]

@daryl hannah how can you possibly disagree with what I have said, its simply 2 facts. You didn't answer @dudu's question and we broke our transfer buy twice.... you are clearly an idiot.

 

[dudu]

According to Pochettino himself, what you are saying is very naive. See below.

“Because if we believe that if we operate in the same way that we have operated in the last five years we are going to be in the final of the Champions League every season, and we are going to be every season in the top four and competing against projects like Liverpool or Manchester City or Manchester United, I think we are very naive.

“We need to create a plan and that plan maybe is different to what has happened in the last five years.

“So I want to be clear, I want to be honest. First of all with my club, with my players, with our fans and relay the right message.

“If the people expect the same things, give me different tools to work with. If not, I would be the most stupid person to work.”

Mauricio Pochettino ready to QUIT Tottenham for ONE reason

MAURICIO POCHETTINO is ready to quit Tottenham after the Champions League final if he does not get the assurances he wants about the future from Daniel Levy.

www.express.co.uk

2016/2017 we finished above all 3 of those teams.
2017/2018 we finished below 2 of them and no have one of their managers who ENIC got for us.

I love Poch to death but he absolutely had a good enough squad to win a cup while he was at us.

 

[Shadydan]

What's your source for that? My understanding at the time was we agreed a deal and were angry when the player refused the move.

It has since come out that he has only just got his British citizenship. I highly doubt he would lose his permanent citizenship to spend an extra 6 months in Belgium.

What's your source for that? My understanding at the time was we agreed a deal and were angry when the player refused the move.

It has since come out that he has only just got his British citizenship. I highly doubt he would lose his permanent citizenship to spend an extra 6 months in Belgium.

Fair enough I didn't hear it from a reputable source but they were rumours (probably BS mind you)

 

[The Scarecrow]

The bastard sons have come out to play. Your father got you schmucks back onside already after last week? That was quick.

You're the most predictable person alive. Don't you ever get bored?

 

[Donki]

2016/2017 we finished above all 3 of those teams.
2017/2018 we finished below 2 of them and no have one of their managers who ENIC got for us.

I love Poch to death but he absolutely had a good enough squad to win a cup while he was at us.

this, I really don't see how at the time most people said we had arguably the best starting 11 in the PL but then turn around and say Poch didn't have the tools, its absolute horseshit.

 

[Donki]

You're the most predictable person alive. Don't you ever get bored?

He's American, so I doubt it.

 

[dontcallme]

The bastard sons have come out to play. Your father got you schmucks back onside already after last week? That was quick.

Do you ever have any thoughts worth saying?

 

[Shadydan]

So we were outplayed because of ENIC?

We were tactically outplayed vs Man U in '18, not because they had better players than us on the pitch. We had lost 1 game in 15 domestically when we lost that semi-final, beating Man U in that streak. Guess what ENIC went out and got the guy who did that to us.

We'd also spent 100+ million on players that year in Sanchez, Aurier, Llorente, Moura


What about vs Chelsea in '17, where we had lost 1 in 16 games domestically before that, again, beating them in that streak 2-0.

Could we have strengthened more the summer previous, sure, but its not like we didn't strengthen at all and clearly, we assembled a pretty decent team considering we went unbeaten for our entire season at home and only lost 4 times in the league all year.

But I guess when we do well, it has nothing to do with ENIC.

ENIC's fault that Jamie O Hara bottled a pen against Man Utd

ENIC's fault that Son played LWB against Chelsea

ENIC's fault that Vorm played instead of Lloris against Man Utd etc...

 

[dudu]

ENIC's fault that Jamie O Hara bottled a pen against Man Utd

ENIC's fault that Son played LWB against Chelsea

ENIC's fault that Vorm played instead of Lloris against Man Utd etc...

Have to agree.

Can't believe they did NOTHING to get us to the CL final last year then lost it for us all on their own. Pathetic.

 

[daryl hannah]

2016/2017 we finished above all 3 of those teams.
2017/2018 we finished below 2 of them and no have one of their managers who ENIC got for us.

I love Poch to death but he absolutely had a good enough squad to win a cup while he was at us.

Poch worked miracles.

It's incredible how satisfied with mediocrity some people are.

If you look at the bulk of our transfers in the last 5 years it's all about flipping players. Buy low sell high. However, some haven't worked out (Fazio, Stambouli, Njie, Nkoudou etc.) Some have e.g., Wimmer, Trippier.