ENIC...

[daryl hannah]

If you don't think building a training ground and stadium at over a billion quid would be a factor in our spending on the short term you have to be pretty thick surely? Levy said our transfer strategy wouldn't change, basically sell to buy, where is the lie here? Other clubs get rid of their deadwood quickly? I think were pretty much all the same TBH.

Mate, where is YOUR ambition for the team? Or are you happy with deadline day specials being our recruitment policy?

If you want to admit that you have no ambition, just say it. Otherwise, why are you defending the indefensible?

 

[Donki]

Mate, where is YOUR ambition for the team? Or are you happy with deadline day specials being our recruitment policy?

If you want to admit that you have no ambition, just say it. Otherwise, why are you defending the indefensible?

What am I justifying, that books have to balanced and spending on the level we have done needs to be paid for? When you an adult you realise these things, ENIC is an INVESTMENT company they aren't a bank roller.

There was no deadline day specials last summer, broke our transfer record twice if I am correct?

Defending the indefensible? ENIC have taken us from a level of shit and elevated us to a club that is starting to compete with the big teams in Europe, what is indefensible in that? Levy and ENIC have made plenty of mistakes but if you really cant see where they have brought us from as a club, that could very well went like Villa, your either a troll or fucking stupid. We have 3-4 other clubs which are either massively bank rolled to the point they are breaking FFP rules, have much more recent league/cup success or are a financial behemoth.

My ambition is realistic, its not made in airy fairy land.

Now if you want to be a bankrolled club that's a totally different question, its not the same question as have ENIC been overall good or bad for us.

 

[Shadydan]

D’oh me all you like @Joely but you’ve not actually got a counter-argument, have you?

This is what I was talking about with my other post. Y’know, where I mentioned adult conversations...?

Amazing the lengths that people go to to twist a narrative in their favour in order to attmept to justify their opinions when it comes to ENIC, some of the mental gymnastics and conspiracy theories are hilarious - literally every arguement can and has rebuttabled with facts yet there are people still adamant that Levy and ENIC are evil and out for themselves.

All together now #enicout #levyout Am I doing it right?

 

[Donki]

#Levyhasnoambition

 

[coys200]

The whole conversation is too one dimensional imo. The main reason Liverpool are ahead of us now when they were behind us just 2 years ago is scouting and decision making not Net spend. They chose to sell coutinho and address areas needed it was a great strategic call.

 

[Shadydan]

The whole conversation is too one dimensional imo. The main reason Liverpool are ahead of us now when they were behind us just 2 years ago is scouting and decision making not Net spend. They chose to sell coutinho and address areas needed it was a great strategic call.

And the small fact that they weren't building a giant £1B infrastructure to hamper them financially and distract them on the pitch.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Daniel Levy. has done no wrong.

No, no......He can be criticised for this or that.

No, He's done nothing wrong I tell you.

He's a chicken fingering munchkin

He's not, he's the noblest of the noble. His intentions are so pure that he makes Sir Lancelot look like a pickpocket

His intentions are to fill his wheelbarrow

Oi! Don't talk about my dad like that

*Thread goes quiet for a few days or weeks*

*Start at the beginning again.

 

[Shadydan]

#Levyhasnoambition

Don't forget #getoutofmyclub

All the cool kids say it on Twitter though and people love to follow others because of sheep mentality. Anytime we take a loss or something negative happens to us the sheeps lend their frustration on ENIC. In reality most of those people haven't got a clue what they're on about or twist narratives to suit their agenda.

 

[Donki]

Daniel Levy. has done no wrong.

No, no......He can be criticised for this or that.

No, He's done nothing wrong I tell you.

He's a chicken fingering munchkin

He's not, he's the noblest of the noble. His intentions are so pure that he makes Sir Lancelot look like a pickpocket

His intentions are to fill his wheelbarrow

Oi! Don't talk about my dad like that

*Thread goes quiet for a few days or weeks*

*Start at the beginning again.

Your the biggest flip flop of the lot #BANA&CFROMSC

Edit: That's bloody hard to read.

 

[rez9000]

The whole conversation is too one dimensional imo. The main reason Liverpool are ahead of us now when they were behind us just 2 years ago is scouting and decision making not Net spend. They chose to sell coutinho and address areas needed it was a great strategic call.

Exactly right. We’re talking about multi-million pound businesses and the unbelievably intricate world of finance that comes with them. This isn’t Football Manager. Chairman don’t get to reload their games when things go wrong. That means they have to be careful and it means decisions that may not be ideal or idealistic.

And yet we seem unable to debate the matter without some pretty alarming commentary.

I’m all for simple solutions - surely we all are - but only if they’re also the right solutions.

If people want to criticise ENIC’s track record, by all means, but it has still to be based on an equivocal treatment of the facts of the matter, not as a reaction to dropping three points on Saturday.

 

[Donki]

The whole conversation is too one dimensional imo. The main reason Liverpool are ahead of us now when they were behind us just 2 years ago is scouting and decision making not Net spend. They chose to sell coutinho and address areas needed it was a great strategic call.

We were never ahead of Liverpool stature wise, we finished ahead of them for a few seasons that's it.

 

[rez9000]

Mate, where is YOUR ambition for the team? Or are you happy with deadline day specials being our recruitment policy?

If you want to admit that you have no ambition, just say it. Otherwise, why are you defending the indefensible?

‘Ambition’ - so easy to say, so difficult to define.

 

[carmeldevil]

Amazing the lengths that people go to to twist a narrative in their favour in order to attmept to justify their opinions when it comes to ENIC, some of the mental gymnastics and conspiracy theories are hilarious - literally every arguement can and has rebuttabled with facts yet there are people still adamant that Levy and ENIC are evil and out for themselves.

All together now #enicout #levyout Am I doing it right?

Close. Need a banner.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

They were generally appalling in the early years.

That's what happens when you take over a football club with zero experience. You make a lot of mistakes as you learn.

I still don't know if they got lucky with Arnesen/Jol and then Pochettino or whether it was deliberate. The buying emerging talent, cos we can't compete with oil money, strategy worked wonderfully, it transformed the club.

Of course Arnesen and Jol was a "deliberate" move, because it resulted from Levy realising that continuing the Scholar/Sugar approach of buying old former stars, instead of raising our own, would never increase the asset value of the club the way he and Lewis wanted, because we would be stuck in mid-table, progressively falling behind the other large clubs, forever, unless he changed things.

We couldn't afford expensive current stars, so he appointed Arnesen to pursue young players and improve the academy. We know that, it's in the public record. That was a change of strategy, not "luck". By definition, moving toward signing and raising young players represented a move toward a longer-term strategy.

Arnesen demanded that he bring in Jol, who stumbled into the head coach job. That's where the revival started. We got back into Europe almost immediately, then took a false step by appointing Ramos, then rescued the situation with the only non-strategic, desperate move of the whole 17-year story, by appointing Redknapp. That got us into the Champions League and led indirectly to Pochettino and our status as part of a "big 6" of clubs who are usually, but not always in the Champions League.

You have to look at the whole story, not the individual crises, moments and responses. It's so obviously been a strategy that it's impossible not to see it. The proof is in the academy, the training ground and the stadium. All of them are the very definition of long-term, strategic plans.

I work in housing development. Getting anything built is a succession of reactions and responses to the unexpected. There's never a single development where there isn't some kind of crisis and a forced change of approach, usually two or three. But there's always a strategy underlying it, or you don't get it finished. You keep changing course, but you always keep your eyes on the prize.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Next four home games virtually all sold out apart from TE tickets , ENIC must be doing something right, remember the days when you could just turn up at OWHL and choose your seat for a season ticket.

 

[Graysonti]

You've just completely made this up.

I’ve not made it up - Kane got a new contract - and I’ve read it’s £200k plus achievable bonuses to c £300k per week. The value of the contract is irrelevant to the point anyhow.

 

[Donki]

Ahhh Mister Jiz, of sorry @Mister Jez, is disliking the facts I have stated.

 

[chrissivad]

You've just completely made this up.

It was reported in the media here

Harry Kane and the Premier League's best-paid players

Tottenham's notoriously strict wage structure has been blown into oblivion with the news that Harry Kane has agreed a new contract worth an incredible £90million over six years.

www.google.com

But I'm guessing that's still made up?

 

[yido_number1]

It was reported in the media here

Harry Kane and the Premier League's best-paid players

Tottenham's notoriously strict wage structure has been blown into oblivion with the news that Harry Kane has agreed a new contract worth an incredible £90million over six years.

www.google.com

But I'm guessing that's still made up?

Well it is the daily mail so that is quite possible.

Analysis / Bias

The Daily Mail is a known a supporter of the Conservatives. They are also one of the pro-Brexit tabloids and according to a Reuters article, the Daily Mail published a controversial headline in response to a Brexit Court ruling criticizing the judges, by branding them as ‘enemies of the people’ According to CNBC, the Daily mail also has been criticized by Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales for publishing fake news articles and “hyped up” headlines and “mastered the art of running stories that aren’t true’”. Further, CNBC reported that DMG media responded by saying “DailyMail.com is the very antithesis of click-bait and hype headlines. We just tell stories better than anyone else.”

In review, the Daily Mail tends to publish stories utilizing sensationalized headlines with emotionally loaded wordings such as “Woman, 63, ‘becomes PREGNANT in the mouth’ with baby squid after eating calamari”, which is a misleading headline. In 2017, Wikipedia banned the Daily Mail as an ‘unreliable’ source. When it comes to sourcing information they use minimal hyperlinked sourcing as well as sourcing to themselves. In general, most stories favor the right, however the Daily Mail will report either side if the story is sensational enough.

A factual search reveals that the Daily Mail has a poor track record with fact checkers. Here are a few failed fact checks:

• Did the Daily Mail Delete a Story Reporting the U.S. Planned to Blame Assad for ‘False Flag’ Chemical Attacks? – Mostly True
• “Google search spike suggests many people don’t know why they voted for Brexit.” – Mostly False
• Is Using ‘Bug Spray’ to Get High an Alarming New Trend? – Mostly False
• Did a White House Intern Make the ‘White Power’ Hand Gesture? – Unproven
• Did ‘Melbourne Antifa’ Claim Responsibility for the Vegas Massacre? – False
• Are Vigilante Protesters Digging Up Confederate Graves After Charlottesville Clashes? – Mostly False
• “Racist picture of Democrat North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper emerges just days after he called on Ralph Northam to resign – DAILY MAIL.” – Pants on Fire

Overall, we rate Daily Mail Questionable due to numerous failed fact checks and poor sourcing of information. (7/19/2016) Updated (M. Huitsing 10/24/2019)

Daily Mail - Bias and Credibility

QUESTIONABLE SOURCE A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no

mediabiasfactcheck.com

 

[Gb160]

Don't forget #getoutofmyclub

My least favourite football fan phrase, without a doubt.
It's the calling card of the simpleton.