ENIC...

[Shadydan]

what is the point of hiring Mouriniho if you do not have the budget to back him?? If
poch had to go show some creative thinking and get a manager who can coach players and develop attacking football with younger players.
All my Man United friends tell me Rui Faria was the tactics man and had been at his side since the beginning..

Now that is a different argument altogether and it remains to be seen about the budget, who knows.

 

[thekneaf]

Feeling pretty embarrassed that any fans would waste cash on an ENIC out flyover. Can we please not be that club?

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Who gets the airmiles?

 

[nailsy]

what is the point of hiring Mouriniho if you do not have the budget to back him?? If
poch had to go show some creative thinking and get a manager who can coach players and develop attacking football with younger players.
All my Man United friends tell me Rui Faria was the tactics man and had been at his side since the beginning..

We don't really know how big a budget he was promised. Enough to get him to join. We may never know thought as things have changed considerably due to Covid.

Liverpool and Leicester owners have similar wealth to the Tottenham owners... the issue is not level of their wealth but the business model and attitude to wanting to win things. The tottenham owners put money before glory and they need to leave before this gets toxic

Not really. They just decided that the best way to have a chance of winning things was to build a stadium that would generate more money and give us a better long term chance of competing. We haven't yet seen the benefits that moving into the stadium should bring. And in the worst timing possible we probably won't do for quite some time because of the pandemic.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

Who gets the airmiles?

Daniel, of course

 

[Japhet]

We don't really know how big a budget he was promised. Enough to get him to join. We may never know thought as things have changed considerably due to Covid.



Not really. They just decided that the best way to have a chance of winning things was to build a stadium that would generate more money and give us a better long term chance of competing. We haven't yet seen the benefits that moving into the stadium should bring. And in the worst timing possible we probably won't do for quite some time because of the pandemic.

When he arrived Mourinho said how happy he was with the squad he inherited, which to me indicated he knew there wasn't much transfer budget. Completely agree about the stadium but Covid has pulled the rug out from under those plans.

 

[Metalhead]

Feeling pretty embarrassed that any fans would waste cash on an ENIC out flyover. Can we please not be that club?

Could have used the money to buy a player.

 

[arunspurs]

Their football record with Spurs is pathetic? They took a club closer to relegation than Champions League and has us in a place where we have legitimately competed twice for the title in the last 5 years and nearly won the Champions League. You can argue and I’d agree that Levy‘s control over transfers and playing staff is holding us back from titles and long term, sustained success but to say that the footballing side has gotten worse since They took over is just false.

If your measure is getting to CL, of course its brilliant from where we were.If our measure is winning trophies, Of course, it is pathetic...We haven't won a FA cup since 1991 and ENIC has a league cup in 2007 to show for. We are now in 2020 now and nowhere closer to winning.

That accomplishment of getting into CL happened in 2009/10 season, 10 years ago. In the 10 years between 2010 & 2020, we did not kick on in terms of trophies- this in a period, many of our rivals like United, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal went through their tough phase. Now most of them have consolidated and are on way up and we are going below them again...

 

[sausage]

If your measure is getting to CL, of course its brilliant from where we were.If our measure is winning trophies, Of course, it is pathetic...We haven't won a FA cup since 1991 and ENIC has a league cup in 2007 to show for. We are now in 2020 now and nowhere closer to winning.

That accomplishment of getting into CL happened in 2009/10 season, 10 years ago. In the 10 years between 2010 & 2020, we did not kick on in terms of trophies- this in a period, many of our rivals like United, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal went through their tough phase. Now most of them have consolidated and are on way up and we are going below them again...

But how many finals/semis have we been in. Quite a few.

There isn't much the club can do about a manager who mucks up those final hurdles. We've looked crap in every chance we've had in a final/semi, and I don't know why people have a blindness about that.

Unless we expect Levy to stick some shorts on and do a peak arran lennon impression, that is.

 

[Timberwolf]

These rose-tinted fantasy retrospectives are so tiresome.

Yeah - there was certainly no consensus in the Bruno thread. When Sporting were asking for 70m in the summer a lot of people thought it was laughable to pay that much and that Lo Celso and Ndombele were enough.

 

[arunspurs]

But how many finals/semis have we been in. Quite a few.

There isn't much the club can do about a manager who mucks up those final hurdles. We've looked crap in every chance we've had in a final/semi, and I don't know why people have a blindness about that.

Unless we expect Levy to stick some shorts on and do a peak arran lennon impression, that is.

Is this what we have come to ? Trying to post appearance in semis & finals as a way to say club management have done well ?
We would have probably won those semis & finals if squad had necessary backups/replacements or quality signings provided by owners (example - Kane backup, Dembele replacement etc etc)...

 

[sausage]

Is this what we have come to ? Trying to post appearance in semis & finals as a way to say club management have done well ?
We would have probably won those semis & finals if squad had necessary backups/replacements or quality signings provided by owners (example - Kane backup, Dembele replacement etc etc)...

Club gets to the final "well done manager"
Club wins final "well done manager"
Club gets to semis/final and manager chucks the towel in "that's the club's fault"

No, what we have come to is some sort of martyrdom of Pochettino. Let's ignore the fact that he had pretty much the best squad we've ever had and won nothing. We'll blame everyone else for that.

We had the players to win trophies, just not the tactics or selections. Even Birmingham and Swansea have won cups in that time ffs.

 

[nailsy]

Is this what we have come to ? Trying to post appearance in semis & finals as a way to say club management have done well ?
We would have probably won those semis & finals if squad had necessary backups/replacements or quality signings provided by owners (example - Kane backup, Dembele replacement etc etc)...

Fans of nearly every club that misses out on something say the same thing... We'd have won if only we'd signed X,Y or Z.

 

[arunspurs]

Club gets to the final "well done manager"
Club wins final "well done manager"
Club gets to semis/final and manager chucks the towel in "that's the club's fault"

No, what we have come to is some sort of martyrdom of Pochettino. Let's ignore the fact that he had pretty much the best squad we've ever had and won nothing. We'll blame everyone else for that.

We had the players to win trophies, just not the tactics or selections. Even Birmingham and Swansea have won cups in that time ffs.

Let me correct you....

Club gets to the final "well done manager"
Club wins final "well done manager"
Club gets to semis/final and manager chucks the towel in "that's the club's fault" (Given Club has not been able to win for 13 Years).

 

[felmani26]

Club gets to the final "well done manager"
Club wins final "well done manager"
Club gets to semis/final and manager chucks the towel in "that's the club's fault"

No, what we have come to is some sort of martyrdom of Pochettino. Let's ignore the fact that he had pretty much the best squad we've ever had and won nothing. We'll blame everyone else for that.

We had the players to win trophies, just not the tactics or selections. Even Birmingham and Swansea have won cups in that time ffs.

This is very much the situation with our fans and media at large when it comes to our recent history.

It is of course more nuanced than that and credit or indeed failure is apportioned as a club but such is the binary nature of todays society it's trying to make it black and white, chairman/owner vs manager.

 

[sausage]

Yeah - there was certainly no consensus in the Bruno thread. When Sporting were asking for 70m in the summer a lot of people thought it was laughable to pay that much and that Lo Celso and Ndombele were enough.

If we bought Fernandes instead, it would have likely gone the same way - he'd be played out of position, Poch would have said he wasn't ready for the PL yet, etc. Meanwhile, Lo Celso would have lit it up either at Betis or somewhere else, and we'd just be swapping names around.
I'm pretty sure even ITK point directly at the fact that Poch didn't particularly want him and going for him was both a 'plan B' and a pressure tactic.

It's the same about loads of players. I bet if we didn't go for Janssen he would have done well elsewhere and he'd be another stick to bash about. Or Sissoko even. Just gets boring hearing the paradox of 'backing the manager' whilst pretending (against all evidence) that we had one that had any history whatsoever in the realm of picking the right players. The cherry picking is exhausting and pointless.

 

[sausage]

Let me correct you....

Club gets to the final "well done manager"
Club wins final "well done manager"
Club gets to semis/final and manager chucks the towel in "that's the club's fault" (Given Club has not been able to win for 13 Years).

So our ability to not win a final had nothing to do with a shortcoming on the managerial side? Are you absolving Pochettino and Redknapp of all blame?

 

[arunspurs]

Fans of nearly every club that misses out on something say the same thing... We'd have won if only we'd signed X,Y or Z.

I agree...IF this is a isolated excuse for 1 year or 2 year...
If the excuse is made for 13 years, its clubs fault. ?‍

 

[arunspurs]

So our ability to not win a final had nothing to do with a shortcoming on the managerial side? Are you absolving Pochettino and Redknapp of all blame?

No...I firmly blame Poch for CL finals for not having the balls to back inform Moura over unfit Kane.
But My point is not on a final in a single year...My point is over a 13 year period, as a club we have failed.
Thats completely on club management, not on any single manager.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

... that '15 league cup final - wiped by yet another fan ...