Dimitar Berbatov (Transfer Completed)

[socalspur]

That is one way of seeing it. If Ramos sees this happening, I would hope he has the nuts to sit Berba and not let him drag the team down. Do you think Ferguson would want to bring in a player with such an attitude problem on the pitch? For all the winker's attitude, once he is on the pitch, we works his ass off.

Like I said before, it appears DL has a price point in mind. To get that price point from Manu, Berba should change his body language and prove that he is worth that big dollar move. If they come in and meet the price point, it would be unfortunate for us, but well played by Berba.

Of course, this is null and void if the Sun is right, but what chance is there of that...

Personally, I hope that we employ more of a tactical ground game this season where speed is key. While I think highly of Berba's skill at plucking balls out of the air, that style may not be as suited to this style of play as it was to the big Robinson bomb and flick on to Keano for the finish.

While I am at it I think Keane may now be a bit mismatched at Liverpool. Torres is the classic through ball behind the defense striker where Keano will slow down this type of play.

I guess this will all be sorted out soon enough though.

 

[Bill_Oddie]

Just a couple of thoughts.

1) The best way for Berbs to get a top transfer to a top club is to overperform! Nobody wants a sulker. Even if that is his "body language", do you think any manager would tolerate it. No way. If Berbs wants a top transfer, he must swagger like a top striker and stop the "body language". A top player lifts his teammates.

2) I have seen lots of people on here moaning the DL better not lower his valuation of Berbs ("If Levy backs down from his previous valuation of Berbatov, he's a **** of the highest order"). This is a 2 way street. We can't expect Zenit to drop their valuation and give us Arshavin, while at the same time we get to state a price and stick by it. We just can't have it both ways. If we intend to stick by a price, we should be prepared to have the same tactic played against us. If we want Arshavin, stump up or go home. Set the example for how we expect to do transfers. If we want to haggle, expect to be haggled.

3) The timing of the Keane transfer f**ked the Arshavin deal.

Sorry, dude. That isn't the same at all.

Berba was illegally tapped up.
Arshavin has gone through numerous agents asked to represent Zenit.

But, far more critically:

Zenit set a price. 12m, I believe. Spurs offered this price and proceeded to agree terms with the player. THEN, Zenit up their price. It suddenly turns into 19-20m quid. No small rise and we'd be mongs to simply say "ah, well, okey-dokey, if that's what it takes. Especially when we've got Danny 'I'll negotiate your nuts off for 20 extra pence" Levy in the hot seat.

Conversely, in Berba's regard, Spurs set a price. 35m for Utd or another British side; 25m for overseas clubs. No one has matched it. Ever. So, the player gets to agree diddly. No haggling necessary.

 

[ExcellentDude]

Sorry, dude. That isn't the same at all.

Berba was illegally tapped up.
Arshavin has gone through numerous agents asked to represent Zenit.

But, far more critically:

Zenit set a price. 12m, I believe. Spurs offered this price and proceeded to agree terms with the player. THEN, Zenit up their price. It suddenly turns into 19-20m quid. No small rise and we'd be mongs to simply say "ah, well, okey-dokey, if that's what it takes. Especially when we've got Danny 'I'll negotiate your nuts off for 20 extra pence" Levy in the hot seat.

Conversely, in Berba's regard, Spurs set a price. 35m for Utd or another British side; 25m for overseas clubs. No one has matched it. Ever. So, the player gets to agree diddly. No haggling necessary.

Arshavin was never available for 12 million, I don't know where you got that figure from. Even before Euro 2008 he was valued at more than 12 million, no-one was ever going to get him for that price. No club will pay 35 million for Berbatov because quite simply he is not worth 35 million, if that price is non-negotiable than it is time for Manchester United to look elsewhere. For that price we could sign David Villa who has more to offer in my opinion.

 

[Bill_Oddie]

Exactly what Levy thinks. Which is why he has set that as the price.

Either you lads bugger off and buy Villa, or you buy Berbs and we will (assuming the player is agreeable). No player is 'worth' any of the ridiculous fees going around anyway.

And why are you so sure on Arshavin? His agent(s) and regular media reports, plus ITK seem very certain that his price was relatively low (12m has been frequently quoted) prior to the Euros (when, had we known The former-Rabbi Keane would be tempted by the rain-coated Benitez and Gerrard flashing their willies in the park, we would have signed him, rather than after his 2 good Euro games added 7-8m on his price and means he'll join us far later than would be useful) but has now shot up.

 

[strader]

No club will pay 35 million for Berbatov because quite simply he is not worth 35 million, if that price is non-negotiable than it is time for Manchester United to look elsewhere. .

Point of correction; A player is worth the price the buyer is willing to pay.
Keane is not worth 20M however Liverpool paid that for him.
Berbatov is worth the price united or whoever the buyer is ready to pay.

Also if a player is moody or not that will not affect the buying club.
Berbatov been moody will not affect SAF; he knows when/ if united get him that moody attitude will be cut out ASAP.

the more i review last weeks game against Dortmund and the thru pass for Gio, the more i feel disappointed he will be off. Please sell him aboard.

 

[robbiesavagehasbreasts]

Point of correction; A player is worth the price the buyer is willing to pay.
Keane is not worth 20M however Liverpool paid that for him.
Berbatov is worth the price united or whoever the buyer is ready to pay.

Also if a player is moody or not that will not affect the buying club.
Berbatov been moody will not affect SAF; he knows when/ if united get him that moody attitude will be cut out ASAP.

the more i review last weeks game against Dortmund and the thru pass for Gio, the more i feel disappointed he will be off. Please sell him aboard.

what like, a skateboard?

Or a game board? I'd play monopoly with Berbatov and I'd probably win.

Anyways, what do you mean by a board? Is there a hidden meaning in your words or do you simply just wanna buy Berbs a good old fashioned ironing board?

 

[strader]

what like, a skateboard?

Or a game board? I'd play monopoly with Berbatov and I'd probably win.

Anyways, what do you mean by a board? Is there a hidden meaning in your words or do you simply just wanna buy Berbs a good old fashioned ironing board?

good old fashioned ironing board :rofl:

I meant abroad, but i think your options might be better; get him doing the laundry when he is moody will do him and everyone a world of good.

Send a message to the others, don't mess around or you are doing the laundry.

 

[Jody]

that ironing aboard has got an aerial!

 

[Freezy Water]

Point of correction; A player is worth the price the buyer is willing to pay.
Keane is not worth 20M however Liverpool paid that for him.
Berbatov is worth the price united or whoever the buyer is ready to pay.

That doesnt make sense. Using your philosophy of a player only being worth what a buyer is willing to pay then Keane IS worth £20m.

What you say is only true if a club WANTS to sell a player. If a player is not for sale then he is worth whatever the selling club is willing to accept for him

 

[ExcellentDude]

Point of correction; A player is worth the price the buyer is willing to pay.
Keane is not worth 20M however Liverpool paid that for him.
Berbatov is worth the price united or whoever the buyer is ready to pay.

Also if a player is moody or not that will not affect the buying club.
Berbatov been moody will not affect SAF; he knows when/ if united get him that moody attitude will be cut out ASAP.

the more i review last weeks game against Dortmund and the thru pass for Gio, the more i feel disappointed he will be off. Please sell him aboard.

Point of correction for you my friend, Manchester United WILL NOT pay 35 million for Berbatov and neither will any other club so he is not worth that much, this is not Roman Abramovich you are dealing with. I don't think we should go anything above 28 million for the player, and I don't think we will. If that is not a sufficient amount to secure the player than I would be more than happy for us to look elsewhere rather than be ripped off.

 

[Petyr]

Point of correction for you my friend, Manchester United WILL NOT pay 35 million for Berbatov and neither will any other club so he is not worth that much, this is not Roman Abramovich you are dealing with. I don't think we should go anything above 28 million for the player, and I don't think we will. If that is not a sufficient amount to secure the player than I would be more than happy for us to look elsewhere rather than be ripped off.

JUst out of curiosty: are there ITKs on the Man U forums? If yes, how seriously are they taken from fans?

 

[Jody]

It can't be that interesting over there ;-)

 

[Freezy Water]

It can't be that interesting over there ;-)

Evidently not if one of their fans is posting on here!

 

[karennina]

About prices: I go to a lot of auctions, mainly because my old man's an auctioneer, and the tactics - cajoling, pressuring, hard and soft sales patter, creation of an atmosphere - which he and other auctioneers use do significantly drive up the price of many items. However, the inherent value, or the resale value of a lot for an antiques dealer to take an easy example, isn't neccessarily affected. Isn't price from the sellers perspective what the buyer can be made to accept, and vice versa from the buyers perspective, whilst the 'actual value' of a player exists only in a mainly subjective reality created by a third party observer, however many factors that subjective creation seeks to take into account?

 

[Yid-ol]

No club will pay 35 million for Berbatov because quite simply he is not worth 35 million, if that price is non-negotiable than it is time for Manchester United to look elsewhere. For that price we could sign David Villa who has more to offer in my opinion.

We arnt selling him to everyone for 35 million, just Man U's price for him is that, because they fucked up in trying to tap him up, to other clubs the price will probably be lower.

 

[ExcellentDude]

We arnt selling him to everyone for 35 million, just Man U's price for him is that, because they fucked up in trying to tap him up, to other clubs the price will probably be lower.

LOL Please tell me what other clubs are trying to sign him, we are the only club. Barcelona are not in the market for a striker because Etoo is staying.I believe Dimitar Berbatov will join Manchester United and the price will be around 25 million.

 

[Yid-ol]

LOL Please tell me what other clubs are trying to sign him, we are the only club. Barcelona are not in the market for a striker because Etoo is staying.I believe Dimitar Berbatov will join Manchester United and the price will be around 25 million.

I never said other clubs are in for him, i was just saying if any did come in they would probably have a lower price to buy him than what we are setting Man U.

 

[strader]

Point of correction for you my friend, Manchester United WILL NOT pay 35 million for Berbatov and neither will any other club so he is not worth that much, this is not Roman Abramovich you are dealing with. I don't think we should go anything above 28 million for the player, and I don't think we will. If that is not a sufficient amount to secure the player than I would be more than happy for us to look elsewhere rather than be ripped off.

And your point is??

The discussion is what is a player worth?

PS: As for united; Berbatov is worth as much money DL can squeeze out of them. If that should be 35M and united feel ripped off they should try getting someone else of Berbatov quality and see how much he will cost.

Honestly tell me a player that has the same quality, premiership experience, assist, injury record and goal scoring as Berbatov and tell me how much he is worth.
SAF knows if he gets Berbatov, united will move up levels beyond other teams.

As SAF has always said they are only in for one player this window and guess who it is? Also why do you think he wants him? Not to do the laundry!

 

[tototoner]

And your point is??



As SAF has always said they are only in for one player this window and guess who it is? Also why do you think he wants him?

he wants someone to compete with Ronaldo for the dressing room mirror?

 

[mil1lion]

LOL Please tell me what other clubs are trying to sign him, we are the only club. Barcelona are not in the market for a striker because Etoo is staying.I believe Dimitar Berbatov will join Manchester United and the price will be around 25 million.

First of all, its not confirmed that Eto'o is staying. Barca still dont want him and would prefer to have Berbatov if they could sell him. Second of all, and most important, we dont want to sell Berbatov. If Man Utd are the only club in for him, it still doesn't change our asking price. We dont need to sell him. So if Man Utd fail to cough up big money, then we will keep him.