Dele Alli at Everton

[Primativ]

Nothing has changed then.

I’m not the only one who thinks he’s not good enough.

 

[double0]

Dele is being type cast to one position which is a bit unfair , he can play off the left in 433 or one of the central midfield players. At a push he could play as a false striker. Imo he is a very flexible player .

 

[Primativ]

I do think you can fit both in but I just felt during that Christmas period when Dele was struggling I was surprised not to see a change. I still believe Dele can find his niche playing out wide and coming inside with a LB who overlaps.

If we can focus on what he’s fantastic at which is those poacher runs and finishing with the effort he puts in defensively then I think people would appreciate him more. I think the reason there’s so many disagreements about Dele is that the detractors focus on what he isn’t which is a person who will dictate a game and those who think he’s a top talent focusing solely on his specific skill set. Poch did that during dele’s first 2 seasons which was superb but then both Poch and Jose have tried to play him as something he isn’t. Which I can understand because he’s young you want to develop his all round game but if I was José I’d go back to that base and focus solely on those strengths and go from there.

But then if we we were to do that you are essentially asking us to play a system with two strikers and Kane playing even deeper negating his goal scoring further plus we lose a man in midfield or wide. It unbalances us. What you’re suggesting is exactly what some of us have a problem with. You are asking us to build a system around a player who clearly is not world class and thus doesn’t deserve this accommodation.

 

[wrd]

Dele is being type cast to one position which is a bit unfair , he can play off the left in 433 or one of the central midfield players. At a push he could play as a false striker. Imo he is a very flexible player .

I thought playing a firmino style role with Kane our would really suit him.

 

[Primativ]

Dele is being type cast to one position which is a bit unfair , he can play off the left in 433 or one of the central midfield players. At a push he could play as a false striker. Imo he is a very flexible player .

No he can’t. He’s a liability deeper (loses the ball continuously) and he’s ineffective off the left. (No pace or dribbling ability)

I thought playing a firmino style role with Kane our would really suit him.

Haha. He’s nothing like Firminio unfortunately.

 

[wrd]

But then if we we were to do that you are essentially asking us to play a system with two strikers and Kane playing even deeper negating his goal scoring further plus we lose a man in midfield or wide. It unbalances is. What you’re suggesting is exactly what some of us have a problem with. You are asking us to build a system around a player who clearly is not world class and thus doesn’t deserve this accommodation.

None of that is true. Kane benefits from runners beyond and finds more space on the edge of the box much like he does for England and how he used to for us. We don’t lose a man in midfield we gain one because I’m taking Dele out of the hole and replacing him with a creative type like Lo Celso to play in a 3. All I’m doing is dropping Moura out the team which I don’t think is a big sacrifice and shifting Son over to the right which we have seen he can do just fine without it affecting how much he brings to the team. If anything because I’ve added an extra midfielder I’ve allowed Kane to stop dropping back to CM to be his own playmaker.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I’m not the only one who thinks he’s not good enough.

I'm not the only one who ever set light to his nans minge

That don't make me right to have done so.

He's obviously 'good enough'. That's pretty much undeniable to anyone with an ounce of balance. Judging him on current form (which IMO is nowhere near as bad as some people make out) is just short term in the extreme. It's like 'he's not playing well right now so he's not good enough'. If people can't see the flaw there then I despair, especially when they've seen that he is good enough with their own eyes.

He's good enough, he's shown he's good enough and it's very likely that he'll show it again. Not good enough. Do me a favour.

 

[double0]

No he can’t. He’s a liability deeper (loses the ball continuously) and he’s ineffective off the left. (No pace or dribbling ability)



Haha. He’s nothing like Firminio unfortunately.

You can’t argue with his goals assist output work rate and overall potential.

Playing off the left he won’t be a conventional winger ... anyway it seems to me your mind is made up on Dele and Winks from your previous posts .

The same as I’ve written off Vertonghen Alderweireld Aurier Lloris Rose Wanyama Eriksen because he doesn’t want to be here. Your entitled to your opinion

 

[Primativ]

I'm not the only one who ever set light to his nans minge

That don't make me right to have done so.

He's obviously 'good enough'. That's pretty much undeniable to anyone with an ounce of balance. Judging him on current form (which IMO is nowhere near as bad as some people make out) is just short term in the extreme. It's like 'he's not playing well right now so he's not good enough'. If people can't see the flaw there then I despair, especially when they've seen that he is good enough with their own eyes.

He's good enough, he's shown he's good enough and it's very likely that he'll show it again. Not good enough. Do me a favour.

Current form? He's been poor for two years...his limitations have been obvious since he joined.

 

[rio bryan]

The problem i find with Dele is that when he is on his game he's great (not happened too much over the last 1 1/2 seasons) , but when he isn't on his game he is very average, no half measures.

 

[tiger666]

Current form? He's been poor for two years...his limitations have been obvious since he joined.

Yet you were banging on about how great he was for ages on Redcafe:

Dele Alli - Performance Thread 2017/18

What exactly are you basing this on? Dele played the majority of the first game injured and hasn't featured since. Also Dele is 22 and Lingard is 25, Dele had more league goals and more assists in the season past. I rate Lingard but I find the comparison to Dele a bit odd as 3 years is a...

www.redcafe.net

 

[wrd]

Yet you were banging on about how great he was for ages on Redcafe:

Dele Alli - Performance Thread 2017/18

What exactly are you basing this on? Dele played the majority of the first game injured and hasn't featured since. Also Dele is 22 and Lingard is 25, Dele had more league goals and more assists in the season past. I rate Lingard but I find the comparison to Dele a bit odd as 3 years is a...

www.redcafe.net

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Jesus @Primativ you made the point I made today that he isn't a 10

 

[Japhet]

The problem i find with Dele is that when he is on his game he's great (not happened too much over the last 1 1/2 seasons) , but when he isn't on his game he is very average, no half measures.

That's it in a nutshell. When he's good he can do outrageous things but when he's bad he can be a proper waste of space and also a liability. He's a confidence player though, and maybe all the tricks and flicks are what give him that confidence, but when it's not working he can be one infuriating fucker to watch.

 

[Clive Wilson]

Kane, Moura (or upgrade) and Son are best as 3 up front like Liverpool, playing Alli also as a 10 is suicidal against good teams especially when you don't have a proper DM.

I'm not convinced he can play in a 4-3-3 which would be my favoured formation but would love to be wrong as I'm a huge fan. If we play 4-2-3-1 when he is perfect as the CAM as long as we have a proper foundation behind him but this doesn't get the best out of Sonny or Moura.

 

[Primativ]

Yet you were banging on about how great he was for ages on Redcafe:

Dele Alli - Performance Thread 2017/18

What exactly are you basing this on? Dele played the majority of the first game injured and hasn't featured since. Also Dele is 22 and Lingard is 25, Dele had more league goals and more assists in the season past. I rate Lingard but I find the comparison to Dele a bit odd as 3 years is a...

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I was just defending our own player on a rival forum. And to be fair, that was 18 months ago, and since then he's been consistently poor. If we were all held to account on opinions we had of players 18 months ago we could all look stupid, and that goes for actual professional football managers. I admire the effort you go to though, really quite special.

 

[Zippy1980]

I would tempted to play him upfront in Harry’s absence.

 

[shelfmonkey]

The problem with Dele Alli is Dele Alli, until he removes his head from his arse and remembers he's a professional footballer, that means working hard to improve not swan around like the finished article! I would give him one more season, if his attitude hasn't changed by next christmas, fuck him off!

 

[punkisback]

The problem with Dele Alli is Dele Alli, until he removes his head from his arse and remembers he's a professional footballer, that means working hard to improve not swan around like the finished article! I would give him one more season, if his attitude hasn't changed by next christmas, fuck him off!

I think if he just did the basics correctly; control, pass, tackle he would be twice the player he is. The complicated flair stuff he can pull off when needed its the simple things he just hasn't worked on Imagine if he could retain possession for us but still pop up with a goal or assist when necessary.

 

[muppetman]

I think if we are to have a major rebuild then the two we absolutely must keep are Kane and Dele.

 

[dontcallme]

Essentially his talent is making runs into the box and getting goals and assists.

He isn't particularly strong in getting the ball deep and making things happen.

I think he's stronger in a high performing team where he gets to concentrate on getting into the box.

As we're performing poorly right now I would be happy to bench him and try and get us playing again.