Dele Alli at Everton

[Kiedis]

So essentially we have become more reliant on a player that isn't good enough? It makes sense. It's a big part of why we are so shit. We have built our attack around Alli, and he's nowhere near the required standard. We rely on him heavily to score and create, but he does neither at anywhere like a consistent basis, and his all round game is utter shit. Looks like Kane is suffering too, as he drops deeper, and is getting less clear cut chances to score.

Basically the team is a mess. We need to move Alli on and get a proper player in that position.

You could look at the same number and come to the conclusion that in terms of output, Alli is the closest to pulling his weight.

That would be an equally simplistic analysis. We're currently a team unable to progress the ball and keep it in the final third, and then establish the structures that allow us to win it back quickly and have spells of sustained possession and pressure. It hurts all our attackers. There's a case to be made that removing Moura and Alli for Lo Celso and Eriksen would result in better ball retention in the final third, but with Kane out, I think we need his penetrative and aggressive runs without the ball.

 

[VegasII]

Other than his obvious lack of form, did anybody else also noticed that he’s a bit of a brat towards newer team mates?
Doesn’t seem to like passing to Sessegnon or GLC, and quick to berate them as well.
Also started to do a lot of keano type arms flailing in the air in frustration at team mates’ decisions and executions.
Acceptable if you are on TOP of your own game but annoying as hell when you are underperforming as well

Pointy shouty FFS bloke

 

[Wig]

Other than his obvious lack of form, did anybody else also noticed that he’s a bit of a brat towards newer team mates?
Doesn’t seem to like passing to Sessegnon or GLC, and quick to berate them as well.
Also started to do a lot of keano type arms flailing in the air in frustration at team mates’ decisions and executions.
Acceptable if you are on TOP of your own game but annoying as hell when you are underperforming as well

Bloody irritating isn't it. It's one thing being Cristiano Ronaldo and having a go at your teammate, it's entirely different playing as appallingly as Dele and then moaning. As Ice Cube might say "you need to check yo self before you wreck yo self"

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

This thread has become like a swimming pool full of cock shaped piranha fish. Some stunning sort dips her minge in the pool and they all go crazy, they don't know why, but they do it nevertheless.

 

[jonnyp]

Good grief. Alli is a million miles from being the problem.

Lets try blaming whoever we hold accountable for buying 1 useful forward in 5 years, instead of a player who has been flogged into the ground since he came back from injury.

Since mid October he's played almost every minute, only rested for Bayern.

Dele Alli - Stats 21/22

Player stats of Dele Alli (FC Everton) ➤ Goals ➤ Assists ➤ Matches played ➤ All performance data

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

Whilst all of our rivals rotated over Christmas, we broke Kane with our "lets go an entire season with 1 striker' experiment, and yes unsurprisingly Alli's form has dipped since Chelsea, Brighton goal aside.

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/131519/Show/Dele-Alli

Yes he's frustrating at times, but we bring this sort of burn out on ourselves with our complacent negligent squad management.

At times? He had like 2 good games in 2019. He goes whole games pretty much sabotaging our attacking play and putting pressure on our defence. He is a major problem in his current form. How on earth you can say different is beyond me.

 

[rabbikeane]

Obviously not at his best, but how much of the problem is Dele himself and how much is on the rest of the team and the role he's forced to play? The non existent midfield and having Son taking his prefered role leaves him to play to the part of his game that is highly mediocre - same as have been the case with England for most of his international career. To get the best out of Dele you need both a balanced midfield behind him and someone to do the playmaker part. Dele need to be around our striker to get the benefit of what he's good at, and to be in a position where his flaws doesn't put us a risk backwards or break up our play.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

So we have

Aurier
Sissoko
Vertonghen
Rose
Toby
Dier
Winks
Lamela
Ndombele
Lo Celso
Sanchez
Foyth
Eriksen
Gazzaniga
And probably more
And now Dele.

All of whom at various points have taken their turn in the SC spotlight of doom.

Spot the pattern.

And now we're actually getting people suggest we should sell him. The rebuild is going to be unprecedented if SC has its way.

We still have some excellent footballers and Dele is one of them, he is absolutely one of the players we should retain. Anyone with an ounce of sense can see this.

 

[topper]

So we have

Aurier
Sissoko
Vertonghen
Rose
Toby
Dier
Winks
Lamela
Ndombele
Lo Celso
Sanchez
Foyth
Eriksen
Gazzaniga
And probably more
And now Dele.

All of whom at various points have taken their turn in the SC spotlight of doom.

Spot the pattern.

And now we're actually getting people suggest we should sell him. The rebuild is going to be unprecedented if SC has its way.

We still have some excellent footballers and Dele is one of them, he is absolutely one of the players we should retain. Anyone with an ounce of sense can see this.

Ah, now there’s the problem!

 

[George94]

So we have

Aurier
Sissoko
Vertonghen
Rose
Toby
Dier
Winks
Lamela
Ndombele
Lo Celso
Sanchez
Foyth
Eriksen
Gazzaniga
And probably more
And now Dele.

All of whom at various points have taken their turn in the SC spotlight of doom.

Spot the pattern.

And now we're actually getting people suggest we should sell him. The rebuild is going to be unprecedented if SC has its way.

We still have some excellent footballers and Dele is one of them, he is absolutely one of the players we should retain. Anyone with an ounce of sense can see this.

Whole team are playing like wankers at the moment - we literally saw in Mourinho's first few games what Dele can do (when played in the right position) and the whole team are playing well.

Is he a bit of a luxury player? Yeah. But there's also nothing wrong with that. You need players like Dele if you're going to be a top team.

If we sell Dele, his next move is only up - he'll go to a bigger club, score a shit load of goals and win probably win loads of trophies.

While we'll be crying in a few years time that we need a natural goal scoring midfielder, and moan about how they're too expensive for us.

 

[Primativ]

So we have

Aurier
Sissoko
Vertonghen
Rose
Toby
Dier
Winks
Lamela
Ndombele
Lo Celso
Sanchez
Foyth
Eriksen
Gazzaniga
And probably more
And now Dele.

All of whom at various points have taken their turn in the SC spotlight of doom.

Spot the pattern.

And now we're actually getting people suggest we should sell him. The rebuild is going to be unprecedented if SC has its way.

We still have some excellent footballers and Dele is one of them, he is absolutely one of the players we should retain. Anyone with an ounce of sense can see this.

Not really.

In that list you have good players who were excellent but now have to move on for the sake of their career as they are either too old or have lost motivation.

Verts and Rose fall into that category.

Then there are useful players who should be kept around either as part of the first 11 or squad

Foyth
Toby
Sissoko
Lamela
NDombele
Lo Celso
Sanchez


Then their are players who are not of the required standard and should be sold or relegated to squad players with a view to moving them on if we get good offers Aurier, Winks, Dier, Alli etc


So it’s not a huge rebuild. It’s recognising that we do have players that aren’t good enough and should be moved on. Alli is a show pony who is not good enough to be playing if you aspire to be a balanced functioning elite team who win trophies. The best teams simply can’t afford to carry such a passenger. He doesn’t get into any of the best sides for a reason, he isn’t good enough. So why should we have to put up with him?

Not sure how anyone can watch us for the last few seasons and see Alli play and say he’s an excellent footballer. Even the England side have realised his limitations and moved on from him.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Not really.

Yes, really

Then there are useful players who should be kept around either as part of the first 11 or squad

Foyth
Toby
Sissoko
Lamela
NDombele
Lo Celso
Sanchez


Then their are players who are not of the required standard and should be sold or relegated to squad players with a view to moving them on if we get good offers Aurier, Winks, Dier, Alli etc


So it’s not a huge rebuild.

So getting rid of EIGHT players isn't a huge rebuild. Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous, borderline trolling.

Not sure how anyone can watch us for the last few seasons and see Alli play and say he’s an excellent footballer. Even the England side have realised his limitations and moved on from him.

Its called having eyes in your head and common sense. He's not been picked for England because he's been out injured for a period as well as suffering from poor form. He starts playing well and he gets picked again and to say they've 'moved on' is another laughable comment

 

[double0]

Before Eriksen decided to down tool Kane Alli were flogged for the amount of games they played. People would mention the amount of mileage Eriksen covered however my opinion was / is Alli actually worked harder than most, he completes the most sprints and instigates a press. He hasn’t been managed well imo.

 

[wrd]

Before Eriksen decided to down tool Kane Alli were flogged for the amount of games they played. People would mention the amount of mileage Eriksen covered however my opinion was / is Alli actually worked harder than most, he completes the most sprints and instigates a press. He hasn’t been managed well imo.

Why I find it frustrating how little Lo Celso was being used from the bench to replace dele on a down day or even give him a rest. Now our midfield is dead that won’t happen as he will fit in there. Dele was out of form and managed a run of games to find some form and then we burnt him out by playing him into the ground imo.

 

[double0]

Yeah Leicester won the league with the majority of their team being bang average. We had Poch the messiah and he couldn't stop them.
. But Messi can't win the world cup with ^bang average" team mates.

nor did Klopp Gourdiola Wenger and others

 

[cider spurs]

Not good enough

145 premier league games for Spurs.

48 goals
34 assists

Better avg. than a goal or assist every other game.

Fine to argue he might do better at times, but feck me, not good enough.

 

[Japhet]

Why I find it frustrating how little Lo Celso was being used from the bench to replace dele on a down day or even give him a rest. Now our midfield is dead that won’t happen as he will fit in there. Dele was out of form and managed a run of games to find some form and then we burnt him out by playing him into the ground imo.

I think Dele fits the Mourinho 'hoofball' ethos much better than GLC does. He also had an immediate spike in form when Mourinho took over which seems to have guaranteed him his place. I think GLC could be a big plus in our midfield now though - at least, I really hope he will.

 

[Primativ]

Yes, really



So getting rid of EIGHT players isn't a huge rebuild. Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous, borderline trolling.


Its called having eyes in your head and common sense. He's not been picked for England because he's been out injured for a period as well as suffering from poor form. He starts playing well and he gets picked again and to say they've 'moved on' is another laughable comment

I don’t see Alli becoming a regular in the England side again. He doesn’t fit the modern system in the same way he doesn’t fit it at Spurs. Two fast wide players either side of Kane. Exactly what we should be playing at Spurs minus Alli.

No getting rid of 8 players isn’t a huge rebuild when that obviously has to happen over a number of windows not in one go. This squad isn’t going to be fixed that easily unfortunately.

 

[double0]

I think Dele fits the Mourinho 'hoofball' ethos much better than GLC does. He also had an immediate spike in form when Mourinho took over which seems to have guaranteed him his place. I think GLC could be a big plus in our midfield now though - at least, I really hope he will.

Dele is a baller too, that flick pass assist for Moura to get the winning goal against Ajax was poetic. I don’t think nobody else in our squad would be capable

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I don’t see Alli becoming a regular in the England side again. He doesn’t fit the modern system in the same way he doesn’t fit it at Spurs. Two fast wide players either side of Kane. Exactly what we should be playing at Spurs minus Alli.

No getting rid of 8 players isn’t a huge rebuild when that obviously has to happen over a number of windows not in one go. This squad isn’t going to be fixed that easily unfortunately.

He’s utter toilet.

Not that you'll give a fuck but who can ever take anything you have to say seriously after reading that.

Nothing has changed then.

 

[wrd]

I think Dele fits the Mourinho 'hoofball' ethos much better than GLC does. He also had an immediate spike in form when Mourinho took over which seems to have guaranteed him his place. I think GLC could be a big plus in our midfield now though - at least, I really hope he will.

I do think you can fit both in but I just felt during that Christmas period when Dele was struggling I was surprised not to see a change. I still believe Dele can find his niche playing out wide and coming inside with a LB who overlaps.

If we can focus on what he’s fantastic at which is those poacher runs and finishing with the effort he puts in defensively then I think people would appreciate him more. I think the reason there’s so many disagreements about Dele is that the detractors focus on what he isn’t which is a person who will dictate a game and those who think he’s a top talent focusing solely on his specific skill set. Poch did that during dele’s first 2 seasons which was superb but then both Poch and Jose have tried to play him as something he isn’t. Which I can understand because he’s young you want to develop his all round game but if I was José I’d go back to that base and focus solely on those strengths and go from there.