Dele Alli at Everton

[DJS]

Lol bad result and people turning on Dele again.

I‘d like to see us play with two actual competent central midfield players before making too much of a judgment.

 

[tooey]

Lol bad result and people turning on Dele again.

I‘d like to see us play with two actual competent central midfield players before making too much of a judgment.

What excuse will he get when that happens then? There's always a reason why he should be given the benefit of the doubt. It's his fitness, if it's not that then it's his match sharpness if it's not that then it's because the system doesn't suit him and if it's not that then it's because the players around him aren't up to scratch.

We have to accept that he's a technically limited player who is capable of infrequent moments of magic.

 

[ILS]

Also put Lingard and Oscar as no10s who are a lot more like Alli.

Lol bad result and people turning on Dele again.

I‘d like to see us play with two actual competent central midfield players before making too much of a judgment.

The result is irrelevant as we were played off the park by Wolves and were second best against Utd and Chelsea...add to that the first 35 mins against Olympiakos who were far superior to us, yet that is all forgotten because a centre back takes a swing at the front post and somehow fails to make contact.

Dele has his strengths but people like you are blinded by the fact that he scores the odd goal or produces a moment of brilliance which he doesn't have a time to think about and not bothered about the team play in general.

If Jose can come up with a formation that allows him and the team to gain greater control in a match then Fantastic!...and I and others will back him but then what we are saying is the team is being built around him and he is not and never will be at the standard that requires a team to be built around.

Also the excuses used it was injuries that contributed to poor form for the last two years; No it wasn't. It was down to Poch wanting greater control of the match and knew that playing Alli behind Kane was not going to allow you to have this. So by not playing him in his best position means that you may as well tell him to sit down as the deeper he plays the more of a liability he becomes.

Another problem is he will score two goals against Brighton in a average team peformance and you and others will be back in this board saying we told you....yet when we play the big teams in the matches that really matter he will contribute hardly anything maybe score a goal and you are satisfied with that. I would be satisfied with that if he is a number 9 but he ain't playing there.

 

[DJS]

The result is irrelevant as we were played off the park by Wolves and were second best against Utd and Chelsea...add to that the first 35 mins against Olympiakos who were far superior to us, yet that is all forgotten because a centre back takes a swing at the front post and somehow fails to make contact.

Dele has his strengths but people like you are blinded by the fact that he scores the odd goal or produces a moment of brilliance which he doesn't have a time to think about and not bothered about the team play in general.

If Jose can come up with a formation that allows him and the team to gain greater control in a match then Fantastic!...and I and others will back him but then what we are saying is the team is being built around him and he is not and never will be at the standard that requires a team to be built around.

Also the excuses used it was injuries that contributed to poor form for the last two years; No it wasn't. It was down to Poch wanting greater control of the match and knew that playing Alli behind Kane was not going to allow you to have this. So by not playing him in his best position means that you may as well tell him to sit down as the deeper he plays the more of a liability he becomes.

Another problem is he will score two goals against Brighton in a average team peformance and you and others will be back in this board saying we told you....yet when we play the big teams in the matches that really matter he will contribute hardly anything maybe score a goal and you are satisfied with that. I would be satisfied with that if he is a number 9 but he ain't playing there.

I won’t be back on this board saying I told you so as find people who do that quite irritating and I’ve got better things to do with my time lol.

I’m personally just reserving judgement to if we actually get a couple of decent players in there to see how it improves things (Skipp is an option I’d like to see tried). Dier is quite limited, Winks has been off form (and seems to get a lot of hate on here, personally feel he can do better myself), Sissoko is well Sissoko and should probably only be played on right side and Ndombele needs to get fit.

If even then we’re still losing badly in middle and Dele is part of this problem then he’d need to be dropped or system adjusted (although not sure if Mourinho will do this given his Dele love thus far).

But given how well Dele was doing it seems a bit premature to label him as a contributing factor of our midfield issues when he has limited players such as Dier and Sissoko as the pairing behind him.

 

[Shadydan]

The result is irrelevant as we were played off the park by Wolves and were second best against Utd and Chelsea...add to that the first 35 mins against Olympiakos who were far superior to us, yet that is all forgotten because a centre back takes a swing at the front post and somehow fails to make contact.

Dele has his strengths but people like you are blinded by the fact that he scores the odd goal or produces a moment of brilliance which he doesn't have a time to think about and not bothered about the team play in general.

If Jose can come up with a formation that allows him and the team to gain greater control in a match then Fantastic!...and I and others will back him but then what we are saying is the team is being built around him and he is not and never will be at the standard that requires a team to be built around.

Also the excuses used it was injuries that contributed to poor form for the last two years; No it wasn't. It was down to Poch wanting greater control of the match and knew that playing Alli behind Kane was not going to allow you to have this. So by not playing him in his best position means that you may as well tell him to sit down as the deeper he plays the more of a liability he becomes.

Another problem is he will score two goals against Brighton in a average team peformance and you and others will be back in this board saying we told you....yet when we play the big teams in the matches that really matter he will contribute hardly anything maybe score a goal and you are satisfied with that. I would be satisfied with that if he is a number 9 but he ain't playing there.

Dele isn't the reason we're being played off the park and we are looking 2nd best, look to the two behind him.

 

[ILS]

Dele isn't the reason we're being played off the park and we are looking 2nd best, look to the two behind him.

I agree it's not Dele's fault its the formation as every top team play's three in midfield yet we play 2 and Dele and expect them to control a game.

 

[ILS]

I won’t be back on this board saying I told you so as find people who do that quite irritating and I’ve got better things to do with my time lol.

I’m personally just reserving judgement to if we actually get a couple of decent players in there to see how it improves things (Skipp is an option I’d like to see tried). Dier is quite limited, Winks has been off form (and seems to get a lot of hate on here, personally feel he can do better myself), Sissoko is well Sissoko and should probably only be played on right side and Ndombele needs to get fit.

If even then we’re still losing badly in middle and Dele is part of this problem then he’d need to be dropped or system adjusted (although not sure if Mourinho will do this given his Dele love thus far).

But given how well Dele was doing it seems a bit premature to label him as a contributing factor of our midfield issues when he has limited players such as Dier and Sissoko as the pairing behind him.

You make some great points however I think what a few of us are trying to say is by playing Dele where he is, is making an already bang average midfield even weaker.

Take Liverpool's midfield as an example, are they player for player that much better then ours? I would say no but it's not about having world class players in there it's about the right type of individuals that work together as a 3 not a 2.

I think Ndombele will struggle in a two but stick him in a three with Lo Celso and a good defensive midfielder and I think we will see a massive improvement.

 

[spursfan77]

He was dropping deep lots yesterday looking for the ball. He seemed a bit lost out there.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Alli is and has always been poor when we don't have the ball.. He's not a ball winner, recycler or great coverer, but that's not why we play him. We're deluded to expect him to suddenly start to boss, dominate a dictate proceedings.

 

[Primativ]

I won’t be back on this board saying I told you so as find people who do that quite irritating and I’ve got better things to do with my time lol.

I’m personally just reserving judgement to if we actually get a couple of decent players in there to see how it improves things (Skipp is an option I’d like to see tried). Dier is quite limited, Winks has been off form (and seems to get a lot of hate on here, personally feel he can do better myself), Sissoko is well Sissoko and should probably only be played on right side and Ndombele needs to get fit.

If even then we’re still losing badly in middle and Dele is part of this problem then he’d need to be dropped or system adjusted (although not sure if Mourinho will do this given his Dele love thus far).

But given how well Dele was doing it seems a bit premature to label him as a contributing factor of our midfield issues when he has limited players such as Dier and Sissoko as the pairing behind him.

I think what some are saying is CM is a separate issue. Alli not fitting into our attacking system isn't a new thing. It was a huge problem under Poch too, just check this thread previously. Playing Ndombele and a new DM in CM won't change the opinion of many that Dele is not a no 10 nor does he work as a wide attacker, so what do we do? He is a luxury player, he doesn't contribute enough, and accommodating him means we lose another player deeper.

When Alli comes deep he is awful, ponderous and slow. Him losing the ball contributed to us conceding yesterday.

 

[OPModric]

Dele isn't the reason we're being played off the park and we are looking 2nd best, look to the two behind him.

It's not about Alli as much as who we don't play. And he is talking up a slot instead of better players.

I think Allis best position would be as a number 9, he is too limited to play midfielder and he is a pretty good finisher. When Kane was out a year ago Alli had a decent spell.

 

[ILS]

Alli is and has always been poor when we don't have the ball.. He's not a ball winner, recycler or great coverer, but that's not why we play him. We're deluded to expect him to suddenly start to boss, dominate a dictate proceedings.

Nobody expects him to do that, we expect the team to do that and the teams that do that better then any others in World football play three in midfield not two with a second striker. So because of that Dele becomes a problem as like you have just said he is not good as a midfielder.

 

[Shadydan]

I agree it's not Dele's fault its the formation as every top team play's three in midfield yet we play 2 and Dele and expect them to control a game.

PSG, Bayern, Dortmund and Juve don't but that besides the point, we shouldn't be trying to copy everyone else we need to identify our own style.

 

[ILS]

PSG, Bayern, Dortmund and Juve don't but that besides the point, we shouldn't be trying to copy everyone else we need to identify our own style.

How are PSG and Dortmund top teams? Munich apart from against us have been bang average playing that formation this season and Juventus are playing in poor Italian league and will be knocked out the CL as soon as they come up against a decent team.[/QUOTE]

 

[ILS]

PSG, Bayern, Dortmund and Juve don't but that besides the point, we shouldn't be trying to copy everyone else we need to identify our own style.

Also we have the players to play 4-3-3 but choose not to.

 

[srups34]

Without Eriksen, Dele brings very little to the table. He is so inconsistent and far to slow on the ball.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Without Eriksen, Dele brings very little to the table. He is so inconsistent and far to slow on the ball.

 

[Primativ]

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[LeParisien]

Alli is great against mid table sides but doesn’t have the skill or composure to make the difference in tight spaces. Lo Celso (Newcastle) and Ndombele do. They both need to play in big games.

 

[Shadydan]

How are PSG and Dortmund top teams? Munich apart from against us have been bang average playing that formation this season and Juventus are playing in poor Italian league and will be knocked out the CL as soon as they come up against a decent team.

Let's not move the goalposts please, all four teams are amongst the best teams in their leagues, have great players and play in the CL on a regular basis unless you're using your top teams in a selective argument which I suspect you are, you might as well say Man City and Liverpool but using your argument City are behind Leicester who are also playing 4-2-3-1.

Anyway your putting too much emphasis on the formation and not the philosophy or the tactics of the team. Question is in this current setup which formation gets the best out of our players, IMO it's 4-2-3-1.