Dele Alli at Everton

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

I thought he one of the few players who was up for it and his goal was top quality.

That said, tactically he is a bit too far forward. He should be dropped about 5-10 yards deeper, free to make the forward runs but positioned in a way where he can connect better with the CM and assist more defensively. It only requires a slight tweak and it won't affect him offensively imo as he is clever at finding pockets of space. It's mainly an issue without the ball.

As soon as teams come at us, we've got Alli upfront with Kane and then Son and Lucas quite high. What should happen is Alli should drop in to become a third CM without the ball, with Son and Lucas (I'd drop Lucas for Lo Celso) tucking in and dropping off to make us compact.

 

[spursfan77]

Our only big game player

 

[BringBack_leGin]

He’s talented, imaginative and creative. He’s not the luxury, the luxuries are the poor players.

 

[OPModric]

A few tap ins? behave... I get you're trying to make a point but his goal yesterday was sensational and not many players are capable of it let alone down playing it as a 'tap in' even his goal against Bournemouth with the touch on his chest and finish was top quality.

Mourinho always have had creative flair players at that position. Attacking midfielders that makes the play tick, Deco, Schneijder, Oscar for example.

I think we need such a player and that is Eriksen or Lo Celso or even Lamela.

If we are playing two strikers we might as well play Son with Kane, because he is a much better player.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Mourinho always have had creative flair players at that position. Attacking midfielders that makes the play tick, Deco, Schneijder, Oscar for example.

I think we need such a player and that is Eriksen or Lo Celso or even Lamela.

If we are playing two strikers we might as well play Son with Kane, because he is a much better player.

Than Dele? Behave.

 

[OPModric]

Than Dele? Behave.

Lol, are you saying Alli is better than Son? hahahahaha

 

[Timberwolf]

If we are playing two strikers we might as well play Son with Kane, because he is a much better player.

Son is obviously a great player but I don't think he links particularly well with Kane in a front 2 and, unlike Alli, is more of a natural wide forward and can do a job out wide.

I do agree that Alli is probably getting a bit too far forward at times - yesterday in the second half in particular we kinda morphed into a 4-4-2 and it wasn't pretty at all. If he can get the balance right between dropping deeper to support in midfield and making his trademark runs behind, we'll look a lot more balanced IMO.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Lol, are you saying Alli is better than Son? hahahahaha

In my opinion yes. At his best I’d say only Kane is better at Spurs. Opinion only of course.

 

[OPModric]

In my opinion yes. At his beat I’d say only Kane is better at Spurs. Opinion only of course.

Ok fine, but don´t tell me to behave about mine.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Ok fine, but don´t tell me to behave about mine.

Why not? You made a very bold statement saying he is a much better player, it deserved a bold reaction. You didn’t say ‘in my opinion Son is much better’ or ‘Son is probably better’. You quite matter of fact stated that Son is much better than a guy who has outdone him on both premier league goals and premier league assists in exactly the same time frame and same team (so you couldn’t want a more level playing field) in fewer premier league appearances. You might make the ‘well I know what my eyes tell me’ argument but given that both are very entertaining to watch while also quite frustrating, and given that neither is that clever off the ball, I’m not sure it would stand up. So with that in mind, if you’ll be as bold to say ‘Son is much better than Dele’ with no caveat, no room for debate and no entertainment that there could be a differing view, you’ll get called out by particularly obnoxious dickheads like me.

I feel you’ve been a bit sensitive, which I am often guilty of. I said ‘behave’, it’s not exactly a mass condemnation of you or your opinion, just a one word quip to express my disagreement. Life’s too short.

 

[Johnny J]

Why not? You made a very bold statement saying he is a much better player, it deserved a bold reaction. You didn’t say ‘in my opinion Son is much better’ or ‘Son is probably better’. You quite matter of fact stated that Son is much better than a guy who has outdone him on both premier league goals and premier league assists in exactly the same time frame and same team (so you couldn’t want a more level playing field) in fewer premier league appearances. You might make the ‘well I know what my eyes tell me’ argument but given that both are very entertaining to watch while also quite frustrating, and given that neither is that clever off the ball, I’m not sure it would stand up. So with that in mind, if you’ll be as bold to say ‘Son is much better than Dele’ with no caveat, no room for debate and no entertainment that there could be a differing view, you’ll get called out by particularly obnoxious dickheads like me.

I feel you’ve been a bit sensitive, which I am often guilty of. I said ‘behave’, it’s not exactly a mass condemnation of you or your opinion, just a one word quip to express my disagreement. Life’s too short.

I think when someone says X is better than Y, it's implicit that it's their opinion. It would be exhausting to state (and read) that every time.

 

[Shadydan]

In my opinion yes. At his best I’d say only Kane is better at Spurs. Opinion only of course.

Over the last few games yes but Son has been more consistent than Dele over the same period.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I think when someone says X is better than Y, it's implicit that it's their opinion. It would be exhausting to state (and read) that every time.

And when I say ‘behave’ it’s implicit that I disagree, nothing more inflammatory than that

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Over the last few games yes but Son has been more consistent than Dele over the same period.

I’m the past 2 years, 100% yes (During which Dele has had multiple injuries), in the prior 2 years (both their first 2 years), Dele was far more consistent.

 

[Shadydan]

I’m the past 2 years, 100% yes (During which Dele has had multiple injuries), in the prior 2 years (both their first 2 years), Dele was far more consistent.

Now work it out over the period since they've been at the club from 2015.

Dele has had 2 individual better season but Son has been more consistent throughout.

 

[dtxspurs]

Now work it out over the period since they've been at the club from 2015.

Dele has had 2 individual better season but Son has been more consistent throughout.

Also take into account no matter the system, lineup, players around him whatever Son has been fantastic. Dele has to be put in one really specific role to be effective. Son shines up top alone, partnered with Kane, on the left and the right wing.

 

[markiespurs]

Bit of a pointless argument in my opinion as Dele and Son are different types of player.

 

[ClintEastwould]

Also take into account no matter the system, lineup, players around him whatever Son has been fantastic. Dele has to be put in one really specific role to be effective. Son shines up top alone, partnered with Kane, on the left and the right wing.

Exactly. This is the point I was trying to make re Mourinho building a side around him. He is only really effective in a second striker role and when he is out there he usually performs very well but at what cost. As you mention above, Son is much more versatile. He’s even been played as a wing back lol.

 

[dtxspurs]

Exactly. This is the point I was trying to make re Mourinho building a side around him. He is only really effective in a second striker role and when he is out there he usually performs very well but at what cost. As you mention above, Son is much more versatile. He’s even been played as a wing back lol.

Agree, it’s why I’ve always compared him to Thomas Muller. Really good player but plenty of managers have struggled how to fit him into the team and get the best out of his abilities. And if he is struggling to create anything you have to sacrifice a quick wing player for another #10.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Now work it out over the period since they've been at the club from 2015.

Dele has had 2 individual better season but Son has been more consistent throughout.

Player Season appearances goals assists
Dele 15/16 33 10 9
16/17 37 18 9
17/18 36 9 11
18/19 25. 5 3

Son
15/16 28 4. 1
16/17 34 14 9
17/18 37 12 6
18/19 31 12 7

So now, Son produced more last season. Until last season Dele had greater output every other season.

I love both players and don’t really care who’s better, both can be argued, my objection is only at a time saying Son is much better.