Dele Alli at Everton

[tooey]

Since when do we fit a system round a player and not a player in a system? If you're Messi or Ronaldo then yeah, let them do their thing.

Dele has played pretty much every position poorly this year and yet the same old "we're not playing to his strengths" gets trawled out. How about he adapts to the role he's being asked to play like every other player is expected to.

He lacks the very basics of a footballer. He has a dogshit first touch, no pace, no agility, no real trickery, soft in the tackle and loses possesion with ease. "Yeah but he can run into the box and score goals"...give any midfield player that remit only and they'd bag just as many if not more.

Getting rid of him should be the start of our rebuild. I thank him for the memories early doors but everyone has worked him out for what he is now and he doesn't have the ability to adapt and change his game.

 

[ClintEastwould]

Since when do we fit a system round a player and not a player in a system? If you're Messi or Ronaldo then yeah, let them do their thing.

Dele has played pretty much every position poorly this year and yet the same old "we're not playing to his strengths" gets trawled out. How about he adapts to the role he's being asked to play like every other player is expected to.

He lacks the very basics of a footballer. He has a dogshit first touch, no pace, no agility, no real trickery, soft in the tackle and loses possesion with ease. "Yeah but he can run into the box and score goals"...give any midfield player that remit only and they'd bag just as many if not more.

Getting rid of him should be the start of our rebuild. I thank him for the memories early doors but everyone has worked him out for what he is now and he doesn't have the ability to adapt and change his game.

This is pretty much my take. His best attributes are ghosting into the box and making runs? Really so we’re going to continually accommodate a player with such a limited skill set over and over?

 

[shelfmonkey]

The boy is a fantastic talent without doubt and could become one of the country's best players, but he has a massive attitude problem. He thinks he's the finished article, at least that's the impression he gives, he still reacts like a petulant child, he's weak physically, he gets knocked off the ball far to easily so why he isn't in the gym beefing up is a mystery! He also doesn't seem to have his mind focused on football, out on the pitch he's slow to act/react with or without the ball, as if he has other things on his mind. It'll be a real shame if he doesn't pull his socks up and knuckle down because he really could be one of the greats, but to attain that level takes a helluva a lot of very hard work, but sadly I don't think he has it in him.

 

[double0]

The boy is a fantastic talent without doubt and could become one of the country's best players, but he has a massive attitude problem. He thinks he's the finished article, at least that's the impression he gives, he still reacts like a petulant child, he's weak physically, he gets knocked off the ball far to easily so why he isn't in the gym beefing up is a mystery! He also doesn't seem to have his mind focused on football, out on the pitch he's slow to act/react with or without the ball, as if he has other things on his mind. It'll be a real shame if he doesn't pull his socks up and knuckle down because he really could be one of the greats, but to attain that level takes a helluva a lot of very hard work, but sadly I don't think he has it in him.

I agree with the majority of what you said. Dele really has the tools to propel to the next level of late his frustration are showing in games and getting the better of him there's no cheaky smiles. I honestly believe he is working hard and fortunes will change in his favour. What will also help him is better tactics.

 

[Ronwol196061]

You put a player who's strength is running into spaces as Martin Peters used to but play him up front with his back to goal is a disaster waiting to happen and to then slam the player for playing badly is disgraceful.
Dele ghosting into positions is playing to his strength for gods sake give the bloke a chance .
If you want to pick out someone rewatch the game and you will see that the player that's a liability is Moura in this game alone if he had a real football brain he could have laid on sitters for Dele and Lamela .
Running about a lot is not enough for me I admire his effort but effort without production is just a waste of energy .
This football brain that Moura does not have is and has cost us quite a few goals over the course .
But I suppose the " he is the only one that's trying " view will win out . not for me .

I would never compare Dele Alli to Moura. Moura is limited,when he has space he can swerve past players but too often he thinks he has space when there is 3 players around him. He is good sometimes at goal but its hit and miss as he isn't really a marksman.
Dele is a whole different ball game. he is blessed with talent but has to little respect for it. Its a bit of a dichotomy as at certain things he does well. Like the discipline of marking a particular player,or blocking the lanes. This is because its something that he has little choice in,its a discipline. The problem is when he has many choices on the attack. He doesn't grab it and own it. Half the time he seems too casual,or if you prefer too half arsed. His flicks even sometimes are casual. Yes some days he is on with that,more aggressive and assertive but usually its his brother calling the shots

 

[shelfmonkey]

I agree with the majority of what you said. Dele really has the tools to propel to the next level of late his frustration are showing in games and getting the better of him there's no cheaky smiles. I honestly believe he is working hard and fortunes will change in his favour.

I genuinely hope so, in full pomp he is a joy to watch.

What will also help him is better tactics.

I agree.

 

[double0]

I find it very hard to understand some of our posters that can't see what a unique player we have in Dele Alli.

The judgement is ridiculous, this a player when you look at his productivity... at such a young age is superior to most in his age group / position.

He has played across the forward line and in midfield so people claiming we shouldn't build the team around him need to find the right page.

Dele Alli has some stand out skill sets that when tapped into is a golden goose but for whatever reason we're not even trying to do that....rather in an attacking front we'd rather attack solely via Aurier, in the lobsided overload.

I see him getting into great positions game after game but not picked out, its like his on a different wavelength to the players around him...however there's been the occasions whereby Alli hasn't been clinical enough. I agree his frustration are getting the better of him and he might need to be dropped for a period of time for his own good.

 

[SPURSLIFE]

You put a player who's strength is running into spaces as Martin Peters used to but play him up front with his back to goal is a disaster waiting to happen and to then slam the player for playing badly is disgraceful.
Dele ghosting into positions is playing to his strength for gods sake give the bloke a chance .
If you want to pick out someone rewatch the game and you will see that the player that's a liability is Moura in this game alone if he had a real football brain he could have laid on sitters for Dele and Lamela .
Running about a lot is not enough for me I admire his effort but effort without production is just a waste of energy .
This football brain that Moura does not have is and has cost us quite a few goals over the course .
But I suppose the " he is the only one that's trying " view will win out . not for me .

I'm sorry but I think Moura is the only player that gets the play moving at speed. Most of the time the play is sideways and back at least when he goes on one of his runs you feel something might happen. Sure he makes a few bad decisions but not as many as Deli with his ineffective flicks and being caught in possession so many times. I was a big Deli fan like all Spurs supporters were but the last couple of seasons he just hasn't improved in fact he's gone backwards. He will have his moments like all players do good or bad but his contribution these days in games is minimal.

 

[Vincent30]

I find it very hard to understand some of our posters that can't see what a unique player we have in Dele Alli.

The judgement is ridiculous, this a player when you look at his productivity... at such a young age is superior to most in his age group / position.

He has played across the forward line and in midfield so people claiming we shouldn't build the team around him need to find the right page.

Dele Alli has some stand out skill sets that when tapped into is a golden goose but for whatever reason we're not even trying to do that....rather in an attacking front we'd rather attack solely via Aurier, in the lobsided overload.

I see him getting into great positions game after game but not picked out, its like his on a different wavelength to the players around him...however there's been the occasions whereby Alli hasn't been clinical enough. I agree his frustration are getting the better of him and he might need to be dropped for a period of time for his own good.

But the counter to this, is his stats were all put up when we arguably had our best team of the last 20 odd years, with a CM of Wanyama and more importantly Dembele who was like 3 players in one.

I honestly think if you would have put a number of young players in that free role he had, which was a complete luxury they would have gotten similar stats.

Now, you take out that protection he had and all the great players around him and he is absolutely woeful.

So, basically, Dele can only play well in a team with great players where he can play a free role and make runs into the box and score. As people have said, you never build a team around a player who is so limited in what he can do and on top of that he has the worst attitude at the movement whilst he is playing shit, like it's everyone else's fault.

I honestly can't think of any top top team that has a free role player like Dele in their team and is successful.

 

[Ronwol196061]

Its simple. Dele has to produce more than he does. For such a quality talented player its him who needs to see the gaps in defences and hit them and make things happen. He is steady defensively,very good infact,but he could produce a hell of a lot more offensively. He alsways to me seems like to me,for the most part,he has a chip on his shoulder and prefers often to dive and get upset at the opposing player than to go beyond that and make things happen despite that

 

[double0]

But the counter to this, is his stats were all put up when we arguably had our best team of the last 20 odd years, with a CM of Wanyama and more importantly Dembele who was like 3 players in one.

I honestly think if you would have put a number of young players in that free role he had, which was a complete luxury they would have gotten similar stats.

Now, you take out that protection he had and all the great players around him and he is absolutely woeful.

So, basically, Dele can only play well in a team with great players where he can play a free role and make runs into the box and score. As people have said, you never build a team around a player who is so limited in what he can do and on top of that he has the worst attitude at the movement whilst he is playing shit, like it's everyone else's fault.

I honestly can't think of any top top team that has a free role player like Dele in their team and is successful.

Ok it's Dele fault he played with Wanyama and Dembele ( is that what its come down to weren't they also lucky to play with Dele?).

Fine, compare Dele stats in this current team against agains let's say Maddison Grealish because both players seem to be the most talked about and funnily enough both teams Leicester and Villa have built their teams around them.

Can you explain what makes you think Dele's role is a luxury?... is he not working hard pressing tackling making runs or sprints wasn't he played in a number of position? was he not winning games for Tottenham?

In terms of he attitude yes he could be less self critical of himself if ever you've heard Dele speak he is his worst critic.





Fair enough you are entitled to your own opinion but I still think his harshly judged (Is it the way he looks?).

 

[double0]

Its simple. Dele has to produce more than he does. For such a quality talented player its him who needs to see the gaps in defences and hit them and make things happen. He is steady defensively,very good infact,but he could produce a hell of a lot more offensively. He alsways to me seems like to me,for the most part,he has a chip on his shoulder and prefers often to dive and get upset at the opposing player than to go beyond that and make things happen despite that

When his making runs getting into positions and not being found you can't really blame him and can understand some of his frustrations. Take for example against Norwich Dele got into a perfect position square of an open goal but Moura went for goal in a tight position and missed.... I bet my last penny Kane would have squared it.

Dele receives a lot of fouls but doesn't get the protection from the referees (he did get outed for diving some seasons back and since then its open season) like say Zaha or Grealish does.

I get it sounds like of lot of excuses but thats the way I honestly see it. I've never come across a player so harshly judged like Dele and if he isn't scoring goals regularly heaven help him on here.

 

[Ronwol196061]

When his making runs getting into positions and not being found you can't really blame him and can understand some of his frustrations. Take for example against Norwich Dele got into a perfect position square of an open goal but Moura went for goal in a tight position and missed.... I bet my last penny Kane would have squared it.

Dele receives a lot of fouls but doesn't get the protection from the referees (he did get outed for diving some seasons back and since then its open season) like say Zaha or Grealish does.

I get it sounds like of lot of excuses but thats the way I honestly see it. I've never come across a player so harshly judged like Dele and if he isn't scoring goals regularly heaven help him on here.

Its not just about scoring goals. I don't criticize the Sissokos because whatever they do to me is a bonus (Sissoko by the way earns his money 10 times over) but its the fact that Dele has as much talent as he has and yet doesn't use it wisely (he isn't the only one) but Dele has done so many amazing things over a period of time that he doesn't take that talent and make things happen if not in every game but in most.
Im talking more attacking wise but it doesn't have to be just goals. When Mourinho asked him if he was the brother of Dele,the next two games Dele showed what he can do despite the other players. That's what I expect from Dele

 

[dontcallme]

This is pretty much my take. His best attributes are ghosting into the box and making runs? Really so we’re going to continually accommodate a player with such a limited skill set over and over?

I get that line of thinking. But there's a flaw to it.

In Alli's first 3 seasons in the Prem he scored 10, 18 and 9 league goals. There are numerous strikers who don't score the same amount or get the same amount of assists. In those same seasons Kane scored 25, 29 and 30 league goals.

So as a team aiming for the top we had 2 players getting a lot of goals, add Son to that and there is potential for us to become a top team again.

 

[Vincent30]

Ok it's Dele fault he played with Wanyama and Dembele ( is that what its come down to weren't they also lucky to play with Dele?).

Fine, compare Dele stats in this current team against agains let's say Maddison Grealish because both players seem to be the most talked about and funnily enough both teams Leicester and Villa have built their teams around them.

Can you explain what makes you think Dele's role is a luxury?... is he not working hard pressing tackling making runs or sprints wasn't he played in a number of position? was he not winning games for Tottenham?

In terms of he attitude yes he could be less self critical of himself if ever you've heard Dele speak he is his worst critic.





Fair enough you are entitled to your own opinion but I still think his harshly judged (Is it the way he looks?).

Because i don't use stats to make my points, i use my eyes and from what i can see and most Spurs fans i know, he really isn't close to being world class and adds so very little to our team.

Why are you saying it's his fault for playing with Dembele, i'm just stating that this is when he played his best football when we had quite possibly one of the best CM in the world of football and if that's not there, Dele doesn't seem to play any where close to this level, which makes me think their protection massively assisted him in his 'Free/Luxury role'.

I'm sure any team in the league would take Grealish in a heartbeat over Dele. It's not just assists/goals it's what they contribute to the team, he draws players out of position, picks up numerous freekicks in dangerous areas and scares defenders, all whilst being in a team a lot shitter than ours. Do you think Dele would look as good at Villa as Grealish?

Dele literally does nothing on the pitch, other than arrive in the box and score occasionally.

He constantly slows play down.
He has zero pace to beat a player.
No hold up play.

The he 'works hard' comedy i hear. He runs around, but look at Lamela who actually understands how to press, you need to use intelligence and really force a player into a mistake. Dele just runs around randomly, no real bursts of speed. He might as well not bother because their is no intent with his hard work.

He constantly blames others for not passing to him, like he is Ronaldo level of ability.

Please can you tell me what team, i'm talking top top team would have Dele in their team and how he would improve them? I can't think of any.

 

[tooey]

Ok it's Dele fault he played with Wanyama and Dembele ( is that what its come down to weren't they also lucky to play with Dele?).

Fine, compare Dele stats in this current team against agains let's say Maddison Grealish because both players seem to be the most talked about and funnily enough both teams Leicester and Villa have built their teams around them.

Can you explain what makes you think Dele's role is a luxury?... is he not working hard pressing tackling making runs or sprints wasn't he played in a number of position? was he not winning games for Tottenham?

In terms of he attitude yes he could be less self critical of himself if ever you've heard Dele speak he is his worst critic.





Fair enough you are entitled to your own opinion but I still think his harshly judged (Is it the way he looks?).

What do you mean by the way he looks?

 

[double0]

Because i don't use stats to make my points, i use my eyes and from what i can see and most Spurs fans i know, he really isn't close to being world class and adds so very little to our team.

Why are you saying it's his fault for playing with Dembele, i'm just stating that this is when he played his best football when we had quite possibly one of the best CM in the world of football and if that's not there, Dele doesn't seem to play any where close to this level, which makes me think their protection massively assisted him in his 'Free/Luxury role'.

I'm sure any team in the league would take Grealish in a heartbeat over Dele. It's not just assists/goals it's what they contribute to the team, he draws players out of position, picks up numerous freekicks in dangerous areas and scares defenders, all whilst being in a team a lot shitter than ours. Do you think Dele would look as good at Villa as Grealish?

Dele literally does nothing on the pitch, other than arrive in the box and score occasionally.

He constantly slows play down.
He has zero pace to beat a player.
No hold up play.

The he 'works hard' comedy i hear. He runs around, but look at Lamela who actually understands how to press, you need to use intelligence and really force a player into a mistake. Dele just runs around randomly, no real bursts of speed. He might as well not bother because their is no intent with his hard work.

He constantly blames others for not passing to him, like he is Ronaldo level of ability.

Please can you tell me what team, i'm talking top top team would have Dele in their team and how he would improve them? I can't think of any.

Reading your second paragraph after you mentioned Dele was basically lucky to play with Wanyama and Dembele shows a lack of understanding...if a player is in a good position to have a positive affect on the score that benefit Tottenham (does it not) why do you have to be on Ronaldo's level to demand to ball?

Do I think Dele will look good in a Villa team? Thats just a silly question. Dele's played at the hightest club level his been named young footballer of the year twice played in CL EL has played in the World cup ( not fully fit) I like Grealish a lot and we missed a trick not getting him when we had the chance, Villa are in a relegation battle.

You say Dele does nothing on the pitch... does he just stand around hiding? if you have the time look at his running sprinting tackling assist stats...I know you said you don't use stats and trust your eyes but sometimes they're needed to see the bigger picture ( also there's so much missed when you don't watch the games live)

Think about what you're saying: Dele literally does nothing he might as well not bother because there is no intent to his hard work! He runs around randomly with not real burst of speed....( however constantly gets into positions)

I agree Lamela is tigerish but his not playing the same minutes or putting in the same mileage as Dele and most of the time Lamela and Dele press on the same wavelength when playing together. Have you noticed when Dele plays with intelligent players ie Lamela Eriksen Kane you see a better version.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

I get that line of thinking. But there's a flaw to it.

In Alli's first 3 seasons in the Prem he scored 10, 18 and 9 league goals. There are numerous strikers who don't score the same amount or get the same amount of assists. In those same seasons Kane scored 25, 29 and 30 league goals.

So as a team aiming for the top we had 2 players getting a lot of goals, add Son to that and there is potential for us to become a top team again.

We also were set up to press and get on the front foot. In those seasons, teams were in fear of us, sat deep and conceded possession to remain tight. Now days its gone full circle and we're the ones siting deep and conceding possession. The current tactics and set up does not suit Alli or come to think of it, and no one else.

 

[Ronwol196061]

We also were set up to press and get on the front foot. In those seasons, teams were in fear of us, sat deep and conceded possession to remain tight. Now days its gone full circle and we're the ones siting deep and conceding possession. The current tactics and set up does not suit Alli or come to think of it, and no one else.

True we had an advantage with youth and fitness but all the other teams started doing the same
One thing I notice is we dont mark tight...

 

[dontcallme]

We also were set up to press and get on the front foot. In those seasons, teams were in fear of us, sat deep and conceded possession to remain tight. Now days its gone full circle and we're the ones siting deep and conceding possession. The current tactics and set up does not suit Alli or come to think of it, and no one else.

I agree that right now we are not setup well. When I look at our playing personnel available to us I just can't see a lineup that will really work.

Our defenders and defensive mids aren't good enough for us to shut up shop and counter. Our mids don't control the tempo of the game so we can't dominate possession and our attacking options lack cohesion and aren't clinical.

But I do believe that if we can get players back to fitness and form and Jose gets us back into a team then Alli linking with Kane could see him back to his orginal form.

Alli will frustrate right now and i don't deny he has limitations but I still think he could have a good future with us.