Club's Transfer "Comfort Zone"

[TheAmerican]

From the recent board minute notes seen here: https://www.thstofficial.com/thst-news/thstthfc-board-to-board-meeting-minutes-30-march-2015

-Regarding transfer policy, THST stressed that retaining talent was as important (if not more so) as bringing in new talent
- THFC’s transfer comfort zone was with younger players around the £10-15m price range and they would look to return to that policy
- Was felt that moving away from this strategy in Summer 2013 hadn’t worked well for THFC, however, DL was keen to stress the Club had backed the Coach and Technical Director with those purchases
- The fact our most successful teams of late have had a British spine was also referenced
- It was felt Harry Kane, Ryan Mason and Nabil Bentaleb amongst others had helped reconnect the fan base with the Club this season

 

[TheAmerican]

Seems logical to believe it's true. I don't see us spending big again, for a while.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

This will be restricting in terms of possible progression, as most younger players in this bracket will be unproven and to some extent a risk. I would personally like to see a mix of youth and experience to ensure we have the right balance to mount a serious challenge. I understand Levy's annoyance over the wasted money on Paulinho, Soldado and again to some extent Lamela, but if we have the opportunity to spend big, then this should apply only to players with Premier League experience.

I also believe that trying to build a competitive squad on a tight budget, it relies heavily on good coaching, strong scouting network and a huge element of luck. If the aforementioned first two work then luck will be less a requirement.

 

[chinaman]

Far cry from the 60s when we were breaking transfer records all the time. But then we had Bill Nick to look over everything.

 

[beats1]

Its worth noting that they may not of meant that wording to go out to the fans but if true then its depressing that is

That says to me we wont try and sign players to improve the first team and sign squad players.

Whats the point of having highly rated youth players if we are going to block their path with squad players

The issue is since the new tv deal, smaller clubs can pay big fees.

Hence these clubs spending big transfer deals:
Everton - £28million on lukaku
Newcastle - £12m Cabella
Hull - £10m Hernandez
QPR - £10m Sandro
West Ham - £12m Valencia
West Brom - £10m Ideye
Sunderland - £10m Rodwell

With that transfer price we are competing with smaller clubs, not to mention this season spending probably be even bigger since alot of more clubs are more financially secure now and know a bigger deal is coming

 

[Geyzer Soze]

Aaaaand Levy just came

 

[Monkey boy]

Its worth noting that they may not of meant that wording to go out to the fans but if true then its depressing that is

Probably shouldn't be saying them to the Tottenham Hotspur Supporters Trust then

 

[muppetman]

I can't really see an issue with this. I thought we appointed the guy from Southampton to find the right players - not just read the back pages of the tabloids and try and shop with the likes of ManC, ManU, Liverpool etc. Are we seriously saying that there is not a single talented player anywhere in the world who is under the radar and is (for example) a better right back than Kyle Walker?

 

[Monkey boy]

I can't really see an issue with this. I thought we appointed the guy from Southampton to find the right players - not just read the back pages of the tabloids and try and shop with the likes of ManC, ManU, Liverpool etc. Are we seriously saying that there is not a single talented player anywhere in the world who is under the radar and is (for example) a better right back than Kyle Walker?

Find me any player that is better than Kyle Walker and ill donate a crisp fiver to SC, isn't that right @Bus-Conductor

 

[Spursidol]

This will be restricting in terms of possible progression, as most younger players in this bracket will be unproven and to some extent a risk. I would personally like to see a mix of youth and experience to ensure we have the right balance to mount a serious challenge. I understand Levy's annoyance over the wasted money on Paulinho, Soldado and again to some extent Lamela, but if we have the opportunity to spend big, then this should apply only to players with Premier League experience.

I also believe that trying to build a competitive squad on a tight budget, it relies heavily on good coaching, strong scouting network and a huge element of luck. If the aforementioned first two work then luck will be less a requirement.

'that is to have a balance of experienced and home grown players'
http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/financial-results-270315/

Think all Levy is saying is that not to expect to buy 7 expensive and experienced players at once, - remember Eriksen was only £11m but experienced, so we'd still be buying players of his calibre and situation.

And the squad itself would composed of both experienced (ie if bought young had been in Spurs first team several years) as well as young, mainly, home grown players.

But I think the number of times Levy will try to buy expensive players like Soldado, Paulhino (ie names) will be less than in 2013.

 

[Spursidol]

Its worth noting that they may not of meant that wording to go out to the fans but if true then its depressing that is

That says to me we wont try and sign players to improve the first team and sign squad players.

Whats the point of having highly rated youth players if we are going to block their path with squad players

The issue is since the new tv deal, smaller clubs can pay big fees.

Hence these clubs spending big transfer deals:
Everton - £28million on lukaku
Newcastle - £12m Cabella
Hull - £10m Hernandez
QPR - £10m Sandro
West Ham - £12m Valencia
West Brom - £10m Ideye
Sunderland - £10m Rodwell

With that transfer price we are competing with smaller clubs, not to mention this season spending probably be even bigger since alot of more clubs are more financially secure now and know a bigger deal is coming

Did Eriksen and Vertonghen inprove us - what were their cost again ? Are they first team starter

Did Kane, Mason, Bentaleb improve us ? Are they first team starters at the moment

Did Soldado or Paulhino improve us ? Are they first team starters for us at the moment ? What did they cost ?

Think we just need to scout our players rather better. Yes might buy players with a lesser reputation, but not necessarily worse - players like Carrick, Berbatov, Modric were all players that bigger clubs had looked at but turned down, but we bought. And all better than the #magnificent 7' (except Eriksen)

 

[DaSpurs]

'that is to have a balance of experienced and home grown players'
http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/financial-results-270315/

Think all Levy is saying is that not to expect to buy 7 expensive and experienced players at once, - remember Eriksen was only £11m but experienced, so we'd still be buying players of his calibre and situation.

And the squad itself would composed of both experienced (ie if bought young had been in Spurs first team several years) as well as young, mainly, home grown players.

But I think the number of times Levy will try to buy expensive players like Soldado, Paulhino (ie names) will be less than in 2013.

Is also how I interpreted it. There were three players we bought that summer which were grave steps out away from previous transfer policy (Paulinho, Soldado, and Lamela), and coincidentally all three were record transfers at the time of their acquisitions. I think it's those types which we will seek to avoid in the future, but buys such as all four of the rest will likely be ones we continue with (although Chiriches is debatable considering it was a rather pricey buy from the Romanian league, despite their CL involvement).

 

[DaSpurs]

Did Eriksen and Vertonghen inprove us - what were their cost again ? Are they first team starter

Did Kane, Mason, Bentaleb improve us ? Are they first team starters at the moment

Did Soldado or Paulhino improve us ? Are they first team starters for us at the moment ? What did they cost ?

Think we just need to scout our players rather better. Yes might buy players with a lesser reputation, but not necessarily worse - players like Carrick, Berbatov, Modric were all players that bigger clubs had looked at but turned down, but we bought. And all better than the #magnificent 7' (except Eriksen)

We need to scout better, and evaluate compatibility better. In 2013, we scouted/analyzed very poorly, and we gave very poor consideration to compatibility of the parts. I think that is the fault of having a disjointed transfer policy with multiple people pulling in their different concepts of players for the same listed positions. Just a terrible idea.

With Poch, Mitchell, and Broomfield all on the same page I expect the results to be far better.

 

[Flobadob]

Its worth noting that they may not of meant that wording to go out to the fans but if true then its depressing that is

That says to me we wont try and sign players to improve the first team and sign squad players.

Whats the point of having highly rated youth players if we are going to block their path with squad players

The issue is since the new tv deal, smaller clubs can pay big fees.

Hence these clubs spending big transfer deals:
Everton - £28million on lukaku
Newcastle - £12m Cabella
Hull - £10m Hernandez
QPR - £10m Sandro
West Ham - £12m Valencia
West Brom - £10m Ideye
Sunderland - £10m Rodwell

With that transfer price we are competing with smaller clubs, not to mention this season spending probably be even bigger since alot of more clubs are more financially secure now and know a bigger deal is coming

I think it's a reason to be more optimistic! Look at how much Poch has improved all the younger players this season. If we buy or promote more young players for him to mold into a team rather than buying the finished article, it will obviously take longer, but I do think it's a good way to go considering the manager we have. No more Stambouli's though, like you say, if we buy young squad players that block out youngsters it's just dumb. The young players we sign will need to be top prospects in European football for it to be worth the risk when we already have so much talent coming through our own academy

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

This this is why Soldado and Lamela are our worst signings.
when levy finally did spend big he got burned. He won't take that risk again..

 

[beats1]

Did Eriksen and Vertonghen inprove us - what were their cost again ? Are they first team starter

Did Kane, Mason, Bentaleb improve us ? Are they first team starters at the moment

Did Soldado or Paulhino improve us ? Are they first team starters for us at the moment ? What did they cost ?

Think we just need to scout our players rather better. Yes might buy players with a lesser reputation, but not necessarily worse - players like Carrick, Berbatov, Modric were all players that bigger clubs had looked at but turned down, but we bought. And all better than the #magnificent 7' (except Eriksen)

Kane were from the academy and I agree with what you are saying but its worth noting those players were ONLY cheap because of their expiring contracts. We cant always buy players with one year left. Those deals were also before the big tv deal. Clubs are now spending after they have received the money of the tv deal(I don't think alot of clubs did spend as much before because of the ITV fiasco)

I think we may of got our signals crossed with the second point. I am saying we should still focus on youth players but look to improve players that are our own rather than buying players who may block their paths like the stambouli's and etc.

Also soldado didn't cost as much as everyone says but they aren't rubbish because of their fee, poor scouting was to blame hence our changes.

Im not saying that we should aim to buy players that are £30mill, thats silly but I don't want us to buy 4 or 5 £10-15m players rather than 3 player who would improve us regardless of price that aren't necessarily £30m

Schniederlin would improve but to say we should buy someone like stambouli because he is cheaper and can be like schneiderlin is just a poor strategy, I rather save the money and give Carroll and Milos a shot

Its also worth noting that whilst you mention Vertonghen and Eriksen. It says more about us that since the CL season only signings we made that have been a real success has been Vertonghen, Eriksen, Lloris, Parker and Dier. Thats pretty poor considering the amount of players we have signed in that period. That was down to scouting rather than their price

 

[jambreck]

This this is why Soldado and Lamela are our worst signings.
when levy finally did spend big he got burned. He won't take that risk again..

In relative terms, he spent big on Berbatov and Modric. Relative to our income at the time, that is, they were every bit as expensive as a £25m signing would be this summer.

And he will not have forgotten that they were two of our most successful ever signings - both in terms of what they delivered on the pitch and what they earned the club in transfer fees. So, if the right player comes along, I think he will still occasionally take the risk.

 

[Monkey boy]

In relative terms, he spent big on Berbatov and Modric. Relative to our income at the time, that is, they were every bit as expensive as a £25m signing would be this summer.

And he will not have forgotten that they were two of our most successful ever signings - both in terms of what they delivered on the pitch and what they earned the club in transfer fees. So, if the right player comes along, I think he will still occasionally take the risk.

Gareth Bale says Hi.

 

[jambreck]

Gareth Bale says Hi.

That's nice of him!

But it still doesn't alter the fact that Berbatov and Modric were two of our most successful ever signings.

 

[Spurger King]

It's a long-winded way of saying "all of our most expensive signings - Bentley, Paulinho, Soldado, and Lamela - have been disasters and we don't trust ourselves to spend large sums of cash again any time in the near future."