Christian Pulisic

[LexingtonSpurs]

Can't he play both though. Grealish can cover both positions.

I think Trix is suggesting, we don't need Pulisic if we get Grealish.

But, if Grealish is our AM option this summer, I think we better be signing a world class CM...or its going to be a disappointing window.

 

[rossdapep]

That’s his ceiling at a top 6-8 club. But below that he’d likely start

Why is that his ceiling?

 

[Lilbaz]

I think Trix is suggesting, we don't need Pulisic if we get Grealish.

But, if Grealish is our AM option this summer, I think we better be signing a world class CM...or its going to be a disappointing window.

Yes and i'm saying he can play both cm and am. Pulisic wouldn't have been a starter as am.

 

[George94]

Does Levy think it’s 2015? Nobody is going to be able to sign a top young European prospect for under £60m in the current market.

We put massive prices on our own players heads but bulk at the prices everyone else asks for... ??

This is not just related to Pulisic, but the majority of decent targets we’ve been linked to so far this summer!

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

Why is that his ceiling?

Probably because he is 22, available for relatively low money, and none of the other "big" teams are seriously in for him.

If he was a top-4 caliber AM, available at a discount, someone would have snapped him up by now.

Could he be better? Sure. But the people who are paid to make these judgements apparently see a lot of risk that he reaches those levels.

 

[Lilbaz]

Does Levy think it’s 2015? Nobody is going to be able to sign a top young European prospect for under £60m in the current market.

We put massive prices on our own players heads but bulk at the prices everyone else asks for... ??

This is not just related to Pulisic, but the majority of decent targets we’ve been linked to so far this summer!

Levy has a budget and will stick to it. As he always has.

 

[Lilbaz]

Probably because he is 22, available for relatively low money, and none of the other "big" teams are seriously in for him.

If he was a top-4 caliber AM, available at a discount, someone would have snapped him up by now.

Could he be better? Sure. But the people who are paid to make these judgements apparently see a lot of risk that he reaches those levels.

They also saw a lot of risk with dele and eriksen. Hence we got them.

 

[tiger666]

Christian brings us to that next level...pushing others for their places

Who's place will he be pushing? Not Eriksen. I doubt Dele. He's scored 7 league goals in the last two Bundesliga seasons, Son has 26 in the Premier League so I don't see that being pushed much. I was under the impression he was one for the future.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

They also saw a lot of risk with dele and eriksen.

Ok?

I have said it possible he makes it - but it seems unlikely that he will ever force Dele or Eriksen to the bench. That does not make him a bad player, or that we should not sign him. Pulisic is already performing at the levels that would challenge anyone of our AM starters.

There is much less risk (thus higher price) that Pulisic reaches the levels we need to compete for titles and trophies.

 

[robertgoulet]

@Trix couldn't you have waited until tomorrow to drop that info? I was planning on spending all day at work refreshing this thread hoping for some more positive ITK...WTF am I supposed to do all day now?

 

[Lilbaz]

Ok?

I have said it possible he makes it - but it seems unlikely that he will ever force Dele or Eriksen to the bench. That does not make him a bad player, or that we should not sign him. Pulisic is already performing at the levels that would challenge anyone of our AM starters.

There is much less risk (thus higher price) that Pulisic reaches the levels we need to compete for titles and trophies.

Pulisic would be backup if he came in as would grealish. Does he have a higher ceiling? Probably but €70m+ is a hell of a lot of money for potential and/or backup.

 

[Lilbaz]

@Trix couldn't you have waited until tomorrow to drop that info? I was planning on spending all day at work refreshing this thread hoping for some more positive ITK...WTF am I supposed to do all day now?

Go to the pub at lunchtime and don't come back?

 

[robertgoulet]

Go to the pub at lunchtime and don't come back?

Does seem like a good day for an extended lunch.

 

[Trix]

Ok?

I have said it possible he makes it - but it seems unlikely that he will ever force Dele or Eriksen to the bench. That does not make him a bad player, or that we should not sign him. Pulisic is already performing at the levels that would challenge anyone of our AM starters.

There is much less risk (thus higher price) that Pulisic reaches the levels we need to compete for titles and trophies.

There is a reason the German clubs are scouring England for it's top young talent. Outside of Bayern the league is fairly weak. Weak enough that the kids here that can't get close to the first team in the Prem are starting for teams over there. Grealish hasn't kicked on like many expected (doesn't help that Villa have been trash) but 3-4years ago he was seen as one of the top prospects to have come through the academy system in a long time. He was a standout player at youth levels and would be exactly the sort of player(like Sancho) the Bundesliga clubs would be desperate to sign now. I'm not trying to compare him to Pulisic, but with better players and coaches around him he could well have been starring for us in the World cup now. That was how his potential was perceived back then.

He might of course just be one of those kids that promises so much and doesn't end up delivering, but we have watched him a lot last season, a season where he started to stand out again, and Poch was impressed. For £25mil he is definitely worth the risk because we would get most of that back even if it doesn't work out. I am very optimistic that he will kick on though, but only time will tell.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

There seems to be a conflict in the ITK we have on Pulisic. The Goat and Herc before have said there is a buyout clause in his contract and we can afford him. Trix now says he will cost too much. I don’t see how both ITK can be simultaneously correct and I’m not qualified to say which is but why the despondency just because Trix’s info is newer.

 

[robertgoulet]

There seems to be a conflict in the ITK we have on Pulisic. The Goat and Herc before have said there is a buyout clause in his contract and we can afford him. Trix now says he will cost too much. I don’t see how both ITK can be simultaneously correct and I’m not qualified to say which is but why the despondency just because Trix’s info is newer.

Possible that there is a buyout clause that we are unwilling to meet so we are offering under that and were semi-optimistic that Dortmund would budge? That would make both true.

 

[TheWallYid]

There is a reason the German clubs are scouring England for it's top young talent. Outside of Bayern the league is fairly weak. Weak enough that the kids here that can't get close to the first team in the Prem are starting for teams over there. Grealish hasn't kicked on like many expected (doesn't help that Villa have been trash) but 3-4years ago he was seen as one of the top prospects to have come through the academy system in a long time. He was a standout player at youth levels and would be exactly the sort of player(like Sancho) the Bundesliga clubs would be desperate to sign now. I'm not trying to compare him to Pulisic, but with better players and coaches around him he could well have been starring for us in the World cup now. That was how his potential was perceived back then.

He might of course just be one of those kids that promises so much and doesn't end up delivering, but we have watched him a lot last season, a season where he started to stand out again, and Poch was impressed. For £25mil he is definitely worth the risk because we would get most of that back even if it doesn't work out. I am very optimistic that he will kick on though, but only time will tell.

Completely agree with the better coaches around him. One prime example is Kieran Trippier absolutely bossing that RWB role for England to the extent he has pushed Walker who was considered to be the best RWB in the league for which City paid a tidy amount for out of his position. That says a lot for our coaching team. One thing Poch has an amazing track record for is improving young English players:- Lallana, Shaw, Ward-Prowse, Kane, Winks, Rose, Walker, Trippier, Dele, Clyne and Dier. I would much prefer a young English talent than a young foreign player both with in my opinion similar promise. Whilst Pulisic is a great player i'm not so sure I would have him over JG.

 

[Univarn]

Possible that there is a buyout clause that we are unwilling to meet so we are offering under that and were semi-optimistic that Dortmund would budge? That would make both true.

Or a clause that triggers after he plays 100 league games, or scores a certain goals, or date that we hope a good offer now will convince them to sell before a worse one or a due fee triggers later. It could be any number of things. Note the Goat's itk said we hope the clauses help us. Not are being triggered by us.

 

[Lilbaz]

There seems to be a conflict in the ITK we have on Pulisic. The Goat and Herc before have said there is a buyout clause in his contract and we can afford him. Trix now says he will cost too much. I don’t see how both ITK can be simultaneously correct and I’m not qualified to say which is but why the despondency just because Trix’s info is newer.

The goat says there are clauses that will work in our favour. Whether this is a buyout clause i don't know. Can't find hercs bit.

Goat said we are preparing a bid.

Both could easily be correct as they get info from different sources.

We'll have to see. If we can get him then great if not keep on looking.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

The goat says there are clauses that will work in our favour. Whether this is a buyout clause i don't know. Can't find hercs bit.

Goat said we are preparing a bid.

Both could easily be correct as they get info from different sources.

We'll have to see. If we can get him then great if not keep on looking.

Ok fair enough. Herc’s info was in the last window and he said we could afford it. Either way The Goat’s ITK was positive, I very much doubt anything has changed in under 24 hours so refuse to be depressed by Trix’s post #TheOptimismWillKillYou