Christian Benteke

[Danners9]

As far as I can tell there hasn't been any direct quotes from Benteke saying he prefers Spurs! This looks like it originated from the Daily Fail at 10.30 last night. Unless I have missed something!!

This smells like the same BS that the supposed DV deal had. I know I know, struggling to move on from that.

the preference talk comes from his agent, speaking to Belgian papers.

 

[Mr Pink]

They only set their price there as Liverpool tried to tap him up publicly, much like we did with Keane.

Although admirable, that stance cost them 6 million, which was even more galling as Barry was shit for them after. Villa are also in a very different position now, Lerner is no longer willing to pile his own cash in as he realises they are a bottomless pit. Instead he is running them on the model Levy used for us a few years back where we used player profits to pay for newly scouted player that we made into better players. Also Villa are about to make a 19 million loss on Bent, so they really can't afford to price Benteke too highly or he could start the season awfully and lose a lot of value fast.

Don't agree with all of that it, far from it. Way more than admirable and your missing the bigger picture, it set a very healthy precedent. Impossible to measure exactly but that sort of stance was totally necessary if they weren't going to lose their best players for anything other what Villa would consider sizeable fees.

That 6 million is probably a drop in the ocean compared to what they secured on the following, and buying Clubs knew they had to pay up as a result. Its why your conduct regarding dealings go a lot further than just the deal you're working on at the time.

24 million for Milner, 20 million for Downing, 18 million for Young.

 

[GutBucket]

25m is a lot, Jackson Martinez has a release clause around 30m. 15m+ money depending on his goals. But I can see why Villa is asking for 25m. There aren't that many quality strikers on the market anymore, Gomez, Villa, Cavani, PEA etc already have new clubs. And Chelsea and us might go panic mode and get desperate for a striker so they can just ask for crazy money.

 

[$hoguN]

If I was Villa I would be slapping a 25-30m price tag on him.

Market forces. Their key player, long contract, multi clubs interesting (bidding war), dont need the money. Cant see any reason why the levy 'long game' will work in this scenario.

It tends to not work in any scenario.

They do need the money though. Lerner is having to absorb a lot of their debt himself and wants it to stop and they are about to take a huge financial hit on Bent.

What market forces are these? He has 3 years left on his contract which is somewhat negated by him handing in a transfer request and their public statement they will sell him at the right price, there seems to be only two clubs interested Liverpool and us so they can't get the type of bidding war going like they could if Chelsea or City were.

 

[$hoguN]

Don't agree with all of that it, far from it. Way more than admirable and your missing the bigger picture, it set a very healthy precedent. Impossible to measure exactly but that sort of stance was totally necessary if they weren't going to lose their best players for anything other what Villa would consider sizeable fees.

That 6 million is probably a drop in the ocean compared to what they secured on the following, and buying Clubs knew they had to pay up as a result. Its why your conduct regarding dealings go a lot further than just the deal you're working on at the time.

24 million for Milner, 20 million for Downing, 18 million for Young.

It hasn't set a precedent though, as Milner only went for that price as City were going mental, Downing because Liverpool were doing similar, and Young was probably worth more than that at the time.

 

[Mr Pink]

It hasn't set a precedent though, as Milner only went for that price as City were going mental, Downing because Liverpool were doing similar, and Young was probably worth more than that at the time.

Of course it set a precedent. Young's contractual situation was different IIRC.

Fuck I have no idea how you can argue against that. Even allowing for some of what you state they still held out to get their price. And they'll do it again now, you think because we aren't City or Liverpool they'll treat us differently. That's absurd.

 

[Bobbyh99]

I know, we let Chelsea pay £30m for Benteke (AV & Chelsea happy) on the understanding we won't bid for him and that they sell us Torres for £15m (Spurs..ok probably just me happy)

 

[Glenn_Purvey]

This is going to be a difficult transfer to pull off, so many things driving the price up.

• Has 3 years left on his contract.
• Villa know spurs are in the market for a striker.
• Benteke is 22 years old.
• We are not the only club interested.
• Proven he is a top player in the prem.
• This ongoing saga will be in the media 24/7 and levy wont be able to drive the price down.

The only thing in our favor is that he has handed in a transfer request.

 

[$hoguN]

Of course it set a precedent. Young's contractual situation was different IIRC.

Fuck I have no idea how you can argue against that. Even allowing for some of what you state they still held out to get their price. And they'll do it again now, you think because we aren't City or Liverpool they'll treat us differently. That's absurd.

City and Liverpool came in and offered disgustingly large sums of money. All Villa had to do was smile to themselves and see if they could up the price by one or two million. Ashley Young was priced at around 25 million but Utd got him for 18 million.

A bit like City with Berbatov, they offered us 36 million and we stuck him on a flight, but when negotiating with utd ended up settling for just over 30.

 

[BPR_U16]

If I was Villa I would be slapping a 25-30m price tag on him.

Market forces. Their key player, long contract, multi clubs interesting (bidding war), dont need the money. Cant see any reason why the levy 'long game' will work in this scenario.

It tends to not work in any scenario.

But the point is that Villa do need the money ......

Lerner is not dipping his hand into his pocket as he used to. They just about survived last year with Benteke and Bent is about to leave for a lot less cash than paid. To balance the books, and having cash to spend on developing their squad selling Benteke seems sensible.

They obviously want top dollar for him, but only a fool would pay £25m. A deal with starting price of £15m with add-ons that could lead to £20m should keep all parties happy. For Spurs add ons would be based around CL, games played and goals plus a %age of sell on fee if he continues to have itchy feet.

 

[Powder Keg]

They do need the money though. Lerner is having to absorb a lot of their debt himself and wants it to stop and they are about to take a huge financial hit on Bent.

What market forces are these? He has 3 years left on his contract which is somewhat negated by him handing in a transfer request and their public statement they will sell him at the right price, there seems to be only two clubs interested Liverpool and us so they can't get the type of bidding war going like they could if Chelsea or City were.

It would look pretty bad on Villa if they back-track that price to anything under £20m and include players (other than Lukaku) as a part of the deal. I can't see them doing this. They managed to hold on to Barry amid interest from Liverpool some years ago when they refused to meet Villa's £18m valuation.

 

[$hoguN]

This is going to be a difficuilt transfer to pull off, so many things driving the price up.

• Has 3 years left on his contract. - Yes, but mitigated by his transfer request and their happiness to sell him.
• Villa know spurs are in the market for a striker. - Won't have an impact.
• Benteke is 22 years old. - Yep, being young and having potential is where all his value lies.
• We are not the only club intrested. - Only matters if Benteke is happy to move to all bidders
• Proven he is a top player in the prem - Can one season count as "proven"?
• This ongoing saga will be in the media 24/7 and levy wont be able to drive the price down. - I don't even know how you worked this one out.

The only thing in our favour is that he has handed in a transfer request.

 

[Mr Pink]

City and Liverpool came in and offered disgustingly large sums of money. All Villa had to do was smile to themselves and see if they could up the price by one or two million. Ashley Young was priced at around 25 million but Utd got him for 18 million.

A bit like City with Berbatov, they offered us 36 million and we stuck him on a flight, but when negotiating with utd ended up settling for just over 30.

Absolute baloney. They didn't just swan in and offer those amounts, it dragged on and Villa got their price in end. Yes its no problem for City and Liverpool can be wasteful but that doesn't equate to them offering way over the odds as soon as negotiations start. In fact Liverpool were trying to get Downing for around 12-14 million initially.

The point in all this is that they've shown that they are not going to roll over, Barry being the best example. These things are noticed in the footballing world, despite what you're saying. It really isn't a matter of opinion either, it happened.

I think you're way off the mark here, not really going to agree on this.

 

[Riandor]

This is going to be a difficult transfer to pull off, so many things driving the price up.

• Proven he is a top player in the prem.

That very matter is up for debate. Many a player has looked good for 1 year in the EPL and then gone on to be ok or average, usually after joining a bigger club actually.

He seemingly has the ingredients, the question is IF we could smack the money on Benteke or Higuain for example, who is the better choice?

Higuain I have seen do it regularly, though hasn't started much at RM. Benteke has done 1 year in the EPL... hmmm

But leaving other players out of it even... under 20, yep for it, over 20... hmmm

 

[CowInAComa]

They do need the money though. Lerner is having to absorb a lot of their debt himself and wants it to stop and they are about to take a huge financial hit on Bent.

What market forces are these? He has 3 years left on his contract which is somewhat negated by him handing in a transfer request and their public statement they will sell him at the right price, there seems to be only two clubs interested Liverpool and us so they can't get the type of bidding war going like they could if Chelsea or City were.

But the point is that Villa do need the money ......

Lerner is not dipping his hand into his pocket as he used to. They just about survived last year with Benteke and Bent is about to leave for a lot less cash than paid. To balance the books, and having cash to spend on developing their squad selling Benteke seems sensible.

They obviously want top dollar for him, but only a fool would pay £25m. A deal with starting price of £15m with add-ons that could lead to £20m should keep all parties happy. For Spurs add ons would be based around CL, games played and goals plus a %age of sell on fee if he continues to have itchy feet.

They were never intending to raise some cash through selling Benteke is the point im making, they arent trying to offload him to offset financial difficulties. So therefore we dont have them over some sort of barrel here. We want a player they dont want to sell and havent planned to sell, regardless of their financial situation - therefore its a sellers market and they are in the driving seat.

25m is an expected quotation in my opinion. And dragging it out is just going to end in frustration in my opinion.

 

[Mr Pink]

They were never intending to raise some cash through selling Benteke is the point im making, they arent trying to offload him to offset financial difficulties. So therefore we dont have them over some sort of barrel here. We want a player they dont want to sell and havent planned to sell, regardless of their financial situation - therefore its a sellers market and they are in the driving seat.

25m is an expected quotation in my opinion. And dragging it out is just going to end in frustration in my opinion.

Agree. They aren't going to announce a specific price and then backtrack, a really weak future precedent they'd be setting.

We might offset it a little the way we intend to structure the deal, other than that Villa won't be rolling over.

 

[Ricky Whitelaw]

Was talking to a villa fan the other day who said his wages last season were 25k a week and villa were offering a new 60k a week contract for him (before the transfer request obviously). Anyway a large transfer fee could be offset by the relatively low wages. 19 goals with bags of potential.. Would only see him improving under AVB.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

To those suggesting we won't pay it. How much did we agree to pay Porto for Moutinho last year? £22m?

Or do we think that was a false bid to excite us fans into buying our memberships?

 

[Lilbaz]

Was talking to a villa fan the other day who said his wages last season were 25k a week and villa were offering a new 60k a week contract for him (before the transfer request obviously). Anyway a large transfer fee could be offset by the relatively low wages. 19 goals with bags of potential.. Would only see him improving under AVB.

Villa talk saying 20k and they offered 40-45k.

I know nothing.

 

[Kendall]

To those suggesting we won't pay it. How much did we agree to pay Porto for Moutinho last year? £22m?

Or do we think that was a false bid to excite us fans into buying our memberships?

False bid to show the manager we wanted to back him but ohhhh nooooooo, the fax... its brokey!!!!