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Can we take a moment to laugh heartily at Everton?

UncleBuck

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So what are they likely going to end up with, another six point deduction? That’d put them bottom three again and only a point above Burnley, this relegation scrap is getting interesting.
They really need to sort out both the forest and Everton hearings sharpish though, as andros townsend said it’s not fair on Luton not knowing where they stand in all of this and it also gives Burnley a lifeline as well
 

neilp

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Press reports today that 777 Partners might be struggling to find any more money to complete the deal now. Their backers have been told not to provide any more funding to 777.

there is also a loan of £158m that needs to repaid by mid April to stop Moshiri losing his controlling stake in the club.
 

PCozzie

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Feels a bit like a sliding doors moment. Not so very many years ago Spurs and Everton could have been considered analogous. Sporadic on-field success, atmospheric but somewhat too small and run-down stadiums, traditional (and original) 'big six' club.

Now compare. One club with record turnover and one of the best stadiums in the world, the other struggling to remain in existence.

(Although ironically both clubs winning less than at almost any time in their history).
 

jay2040

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Feels a bit like a sliding doors moment. Not so very many years ago Spurs and Everton could have been considered analogous. Sporadic on-field success, atmospheric but somewhat too small and run-down stadiums, traditional (and original) 'big six' club.

Now compare. One club with record turnover and one of the best stadiums in the world, the other struggling to remain in existence.

(Although ironically both clubs winning less than at almost any time in their history).

Sort of see your point though think you are too vague with the time reference.
We are much better then them and have been for many years.
Think you don't give us enough credit!
 

Dirty Ewok

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Sort of see your point though think you are too vague with the time reference.
We are much better then them and have been for many years.
Think you don't give us enough credit!

I did the math on it about a year back and I think if i remember it correctly.....if you looked at Everton and Spurs from 04/05 - 14/15 we on average finished 5th and they finished 6th and i think we had gone to CL 2 times (9/10 and 11/12) and they had gone once. So they were very much in the picture with us.

But in last 9/10 years or so we have averaged about 5th place and they have averaged 11th (with the average being really dragged down by past 3 years).
 

Marty

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I did the math on it about a year back and I think if i remember it correctly.....if you looked at Everton and Spurs from 04/05 - 14/15 we on average finished 5th and they finished 6th and i think we had gone to CL 2 times (9/10 and 11/12) and they had gone once. So they were very much in the picture with us.

But in last 9/10 years or so we have averaged about 5th place and they have averaged 11th (with the average being really dragged down by past 3 years).
To back you up, this was Everton's final positions in the 10 seasons from 04/05 to 13/14

4, 11, 6, 5, 5, 8, 7, 7, 6, 5

They were remarkably consistent over that time. Since then 7th once is the best they've done.
 

tommo84

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To back you up, this was Everton's final positions in the 10 seasons from 04/05 to 13/14

4, 11, 6, 5, 5, 8, 7, 7, 6, 5

They were remarkably consistent over that time. Since then 7th once is the best they've done.

That period of consistency was almost entirely under Moyes. So to put another slant on it, aside from Moyes’ tenure, Everton have been perennial relegation candidates for much of the Premier League era.

Everton should be a great club but I’m bored of this iteration of them where they are needing some late-season surge to survive the drop every other season. They’ve become a more fashionable version of Sunderland.
 

Dirty Ewok

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That period of consistency was almost entirely under Moyes. So to put another slant on it, aside from Moyes’ tenure, Everton have been perennial relegation candidates for much of the Premier League era.

Everton should be a great club but I’m bored of this iteration of them where they are needing some late-season surge to survive the drop every other season. They’ve become a more fashionable version of Sunderland.

Probably not a perennial relegation candidate, more of a consistent mid-table team since the early 2000's. At the beginning of the PL they were relegation fodder, under Moyes, Martinez, the great Allardici, Marco Silva and Ancellotti they were mid to upper mid team (call it high of 6/7 low of 12/13) one of those reliably average teams that may hop up during one season and drop down under added expectations. Under Lampard and now Dyche they are lucky to be in the PL and look like they may stick around only because the 3 bottom teams are shocking (unless they are playing Spurs).

I think you are right that their ownership issues remind me of Sunderland or QPR who seem hell bent on making the absolute worst decisions possible at every turn.
 

yankspurs

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Not sure the league would even let it happen but the best thing for Everton is probably administration at this point, no? Allows more potential owners to come in with a cleaner slate. And that club desperately needs a good owner for its survival. 777 is absolutely NOT it & allowing them in only prolongs the inevitable while potentially leaving the club in worse shape. MSP dont seem much better.

If the PL approves 777 then Everton fans will be right to blame the league for the inevitable failure of the club but until then, Everton fans constant blaming of the league & the "big 6" feels incredibly hollow when they are in this situation because of horrible purchases, horrible business practices(wages practically equalling revenue) & Putin invading Ukraine (I guess you can blame the league for allowing Usmanov to not be a named owner).
 

Monkey boy

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If anyone fancies a laugh, take a look at the Everton forum now that our financial figures have been released and all of them baying for us to be charged and docked points whilst not understanding the first thing about how our situation is completely different to theirs.

I’d love for them to get relegated and not come back. Can’t stand their idiot fans booing every throw in
 

Bluto Blutarsky

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You would think Forest will also see a points deduction - putting them into the relegation zone, and giving Everton a bit more of a cushion.
 

luRRka

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Set to appeal. Hoping they get a bigger deduction as 2 points is already super lenient and they are clearly being frivolous.

It's all setting the scene for a lenient sentencing for the bigger clubs breaches
 

Tucker

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Set to appeal. Hoping they get a bigger deduction as 2 points is already super lenient and they are clearly being frivolous.

It's all setting the scene for a lenient sentencing for the bigger clubs breaches

This is it for me.
 

yankspurs

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Aug 22, 2013
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Set to appeal. Hoping they get a bigger deduction as 2 points is already super lenient and they are clearly being frivolous.

It's all setting the scene for a lenient sentencing for the bigger clubs breaches

The only leg they have to stand on is that the league is still dallying over City’s & Chelsea’s more egregious violations. But those cases are also far more complex. Everton & Forest have no one to blame but themselves. The only innocent parties getting harmed here are Luton & Brentford as neither club have any clue how many points they need to be safe because of the frivolous appeals of Forest & Everton.

Also the lenient sentencing & the discussions over the solvency rules ending in fines for violations instead of point deductions now should just prove to everyone that a) City will get off with absolutely nothing when they should be thrown out of the pyramid & b) the independent regulator is badly needed.
 
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