Can we take a moment to laugh heartily at Everton?

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Would have thought there would be some sort of time limit on appeals .

I am sure there is - but, its really about delaying as long as possible, so they have a better idea about whether to take the penalty this season or next.

I am also confident there are multiple levels of appeals. So, they can appeal the immediate penalty, but then if they lose that I imagine they can appeal to the court of sports arbitration if the initial appeal fails.

 

[Danny1]

Chelsea will of course get away with it as they are more than likely lining the hands of those in the position of power.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Man... I'd be so pissed off. So if you breach it a bit but otherwise would struggle if punished then you have them throw the book at you but, if you completely ignore it, spend so much it's easier to express the amount spent as a factorial and could easily swallow any punishment without breaking stride, you get away with it...

Seems massively unfair and exactly on form for the Premier League.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

I am sure there is - but, its really about delaying as long as possible, so they have a better idea about whether to take the penalty this season or next.

I am also confident there are multiple levels of appeals. So, they can appeal the immediate penalty, but then if they lose that I imagine they can appeal to the court of sports arbitration if the initial appeal fails.

Had a quick look at PL rules can't find the FFP rules but for insolvency a club has to appeal within 7 days . Don't think PL decisions can be appealed to CAS. Little bit from Sky on Man City case, who I should think are pretty worried.

Once a judgement is made, the Premier League and Man City will be able to appeal - although it cannot be taken to the CAS. Instead, Rosen would appoint an appeal panel made up of new members. There are currently six members of the Premier League appeal panel.

Man City Premier League charges explained: What are they? What could punishment be? What's the timescale?

In February 2023, Man City were charged by Premier League with numerous alleged breaches of financial rules; The Premier League has referred the case to an independent commission

www.skysports.com

 

[Westmorlandspur]

Premier League clubs are permitted to lose £105m over a three-year period and Everton's losses during that period amounted to £124.5m.
Ten point deduction for overspending by £20m? Seems excessive so I’m quite excited to see what ManC and Chelsea get hit with or are the PL going to bottle it? Unfortunately my money is on the latter…

They estimated their losses during covid as way more than any other club. Also proved to have been telling lies to the Prem Lge. If there was a season to take a points deduction, this is it.
3 promoted clubs have played 36 games between them and won 3 games.
30 points keeps you up easily this season. Make that 40 for Everton.

 

[muppetman]

I quite like Everton as a club, proper history, wanky neighbours who play in red and a great old ground (handball!), so this is a real shame for their fans. However, if you're gonna get docked 10 points in any season, this looks to be the one and it's early enough in the season to use it as ammunition within the squad to go and grind out results.

For those "hoping it sets a precedent", for City and Chelsea, I wouldn't hold your breath.

 

[aliyid]

I'm torn on what type of punishment would be fair and seen as a deterrent for other clubs.

Clearly you can't use a fine as it just makes a mockery of the whole thing. Imagine fining City for their sports washing... They'd just shrug, check the loose change in their pocket and ask if you want it in cash or bank transfer.

A points deduction feels fair for teams in the lower half like Everton, this season is probably the best season for them to absorb it due to the strength / weakness of the current bottom three but for City this would mean nothing to them. Would a ban from European competition over an extended period be punishment enough? Would players want to stay knowing they can't play Champions League for 2-3 seasons?

 

[spursfan77]

I’ve been saying it for months, if Man City aren’t relegated if they are found guilty then there’s no justice.

If those three clubs are getting ready to sue everton then hopefully the same will be happening with suing city and Chelsea.

 

[taidgh]

10 point deduction for 1 charge? And City had 100+?

I see where you're going with this. So City will get a rather large fine, right?

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

When Man City are found guilty, if they are not given a points deduction like Everton then the other clubs are not going to sit around twiddling their thumbs . The clubs are the Premier League, it is they who make the rules and if Man City are not punished along the same lines then the clubs will call a meeting and vote on the matter.

Clubs have the opportunity to propose new rules or amendments at Shareholder meetings. Each Member Club is entitled to one vote and all rule changes and major broadcast and commercial proposals require the approval of at least two-thirds vote, or 14 clubs.

 

[Gassin's finest]

I keep thinking of that bit in Jay and Silent Bob, when Affleck is trying to get Gus Van Sant's attention on set.

Everton: So Mr Masters, when are you getting round to those 100+ charges against Man City?

 

[goughie1966]

From what I understand is Everton have been deducted points for losing money. Spending more than they generate. City and Chelsea haven't. We all know they have, but they've been clever with their book keeping. Everton have just be open and honest. Or just didn't know how to fiddle the books.

Haven't City just reported record revenues from a team that can't sell out their stadium. Which is nonsense.

What I hope is that City and Chelsea get caught fiddling the books and the punishment should be far more severe. And wasn't Abramovich losing £1m a week at Chelsea and wrote off £1.5B. Really don't understand it all. Stinks.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Seems like a poorly run club when you put it like that:

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Haven't City just reported record revenues from a team that can't sell out their stadium. Which is nonsense.

Much of City revenues made up by prize money and "sponsors"

Victory in Istanbul tonight would bring their total prize money for the second treble in English football history to a little shy of an eye-watering £280m.

 

[Oscar22]

I honestly think the state of Burnley, Sheff United, and Luton will see Everton safe long before the end of the season even with the points deduction.

 

[newbie]

When Man City are found guilty, if they are not given a points deduction like Everton then the other clubs are not going to sit around twiddling their thumbs . The clubs are the Premier League, it is they who make the rules and if Man City are not punished along the same lines then the clubs will call a meeting and vote on the matter.

Clubs have the opportunity to propose new rules or amendments at Shareholder meetings. Each Member Club is entitled to one vote and all rule changes and major broadcast and commercial proposals require the approval of at least two-thirds vote, or 14 clubs.

points deduction, they should have a league deduction and be in the conference!

 

[newbie]

From what I understand is Everton have been deducted points for losing money. Spending more than they generate. City and Chelsea haven't. We all know they have, but they've been clever with their book keeping. Everton have just be open and honest. Or just didn't know how to fiddle the books.

Haven't City just reported record revenues from a team that can't sell out their stadium. Which is nonsense.

What I hope is that City and Chelsea get caught fiddling the books and the punishment should be far more severe. And wasn't Abramovich losing £1m a week at Chelsea and wrote off £1.5B. Really don't understand it all. Stinks.

i think if City are found to have duel contracts then they have to be relegated at the very least they have fiddled the books for years!

 

[rossdapep]

From what I understand is Everton have been deducted points for losing money. Spending more than they generate. City and Chelsea haven't. We all know they have, but they've been clever with their book keeping. Everton have just be open and honest. Or just didn't know how to fiddle the books.

Haven't City just reported record revenues from a team that can't sell out their stadium. Which is nonsense.

What I hope is that City and Chelsea get caught fiddling the books and the punishment should be far more severe. And wasn't Abramovich losing £1m a week at Chelsea and wrote off £1.5B. Really don't understand it all. Stinks.

Their fans continuously believe that there is nothing wrong with it.

"It's our money we do what we want".

Except clubs ALL AGREED to these conditions and that they can only spend what is possible from profits, shared TV money etc and legit sponsorships.

NOT 2 billion from a sheikh's back pocket.

There is absolutely no way in hell either of Chelsea or Man City are that financially powerfully based on only profits generated by the club as they don't have the fanbase, stadium hold or assets to make it so.

They completely swerve around that fact.

 

[rossdapep]

I saw a City fan's post and that the PL would miss City of they were relegated.

I really dont think they would. It would just create space for Liverpool, United or Arsenal. Not only that but we would start to see a battle for the title again.

City are not the pull they think they are. Most foreign fans of theirs would ditch the shirt immediately if they became shit and just jump on the bandwagon of another team, so no interest would be lost in the PL at all.

 

[rossdapep]

...and this is actually the perfect time for the PL to act on Chelsea because they are currently a midtable club.

Not saying that is right but there does seem to be some belief that punishing the champions or potential champions destroys the integrity. Again I think that point is wrong.

But I have seen people say that.