Cameron Carter-Vickers

[emiley heskey]

I really hope we don't sell him ... He looks old school , gritty defender to me ... A premier league loan would be really good for his career now .. Also we wont be getting much money for him if we sell him now ... Rather use him this season, let him train with first team, raise his value ... There's a solid defender in there ...

 

[DannyNZ]

The times I’ve watched him he just doesn’t look good enough in the air to be a quality centre back.

 

[kieranfitchett]

My mate’s a Luton fan and absolutely loves him, says he was absolutely pivotal to them staying up. As a squad option to have in the Europa League/Domestic cups he’s pretty useful, but that was the same role he had three years ago and it doesn’t seem as if he’s developed much since then if that’s still all we expect from him. Think a sale to a championship club where he’ll play every week is best for him

 

[Havre]

My mate’s a Luton fan and absolutely loves him, says he was absolutely pivotal to them staying up. As a squad option to have in the Europa League/Domestic cups he’s pretty useful, but that was the same role he had three years ago and it doesn’t seem as if he’s developed much since then if that’s still all we expect from him. Think a sale to a championship club where he’ll play every week is best for him

Some players just get stuck in this "limbo" in a sense. Not bad players, but unless they continue playing they just won't develop enough to actually be good enough for us.

To me CCV falls into that category. Would love to be mistaken, but even if he was say slightly better than Sanchez how would he ever get the chance to show that? If he plays 7 games and does well does that mean Sanchez won't get back in the team after let's say an injury? For the position CCV is in he kind of randomly has to get a shot and when he gets it he has to play sensationally well to be able to keep his place. Nothing for me that suggests that will happen. And unless he signs a new contract loaning him out again would also be rather pointless.

Just one of these things I guess. I wish him the best if he ends up leaving. And even if I don't think it is likely he will ever play regularly for a top 6 team in the PL I do believe he could have a very solid career. Very well as a PL player at some point.

 

[Strikeb4ck]

My mate’s a Luton fan and absolutely loves him, says he was absolutely pivotal to them staying up. As a squad option to have in the Europa League/Domestic cups he’s pretty useful, but that was the same role he had three years ago and it doesn’t seem as if he’s developed much since then if that’s still all we expect from him. Think a sale to a championship club where he’ll play every week is best for him

CCV was absolutely imperative for them. In the 14 games in the Championship that he played 90 minutes in Luton won 6, drew 6, and lost 2.

In the matches prior to that they won 8, drew 3, lost 22.

Nathan Jones arriving as manager helped as well, but still, that was only for the last 9 games.

I'm not sure if he's good enough for the Prem but I wouldn't give up on him so quick, he's only 22 and has lots of professional experience.

 

[kieranfitchett]

Some players just get stuck in this "limbo" in a sense. Not bad players, but unless they continue playing they just won't develop enough to actually be good enough for us.

To me CCV falls into that category. Would love to be mistaken, but even if he was say slightly better than Sanchez how would he ever get the chance to show that? If he plays 7 games and does well does that mean Sanchez won't get back in the team after let's say an injury? For the position CCV is in he kind of randomly has to get a shot and when he gets it he has to play sensationally well to be able to keep his place. Nothing for me that suggests that will happen. And unless he signs a new contract loaning him out again would also be rather pointless.

Just one of these things I guess. I wish him the best if he ends up leaving. And even if I don't think it is likely he will ever play regularly for a top 6 team in the PL I do believe he could have a very solid career. Very well as a PL player at some point.

i agree, he’s a solid player, but without a massive injury crisis at centre back he’s never going to get a run of games for us to prove himself, and the fact he hasn’t shown much evidence that his potential will lead him to being a top, top centre half we have very little to gain by throwing him in at the expense of Sanchez, Dier, Alderweireld etc (other than boosting value for a sale).

think it’s best for him to go and play at a level where he does get regular games on a permanent basis

 

[PrettyColors]

Eventually I tend to agree with you guys on Carter-Vickers but we're one Alderweireld or Dier ankle turn from having an uncomfortable situation at CB with multiple weeks with 3 games. Sanchez-Toby-Dier-Foyth-Tanganga-CCV definitely seems surplus to requirements but we have no clarity on Tanganga's injury situation. And, given that CCV is crucially homegrown, I think a tough decision will be made on Foyth if we are to strengthen the side. I'd really rather not sell Foyth but if 20m comes in... who knows?

CCV could really help in this first stretch of matches. His homegrown status eliminates headaches about registration and I would much rather play him in Bulgaria and Moldova than send Dier or Toby with City at the weekend.

 

[Havre]

Eventually I tend to agree with you guys on Carter-Vickers but we're one Alderweireld or Dier ankle turn from having an uncomfortable situation at CB with multiple weeks with 3 games. Sanchez-Toby-Dier-Foyth-Tanganga-CCV definitely seems surplus to requirements but we have no clarity on Tanganga's injury situation. And, given that CCV is crucially homegrown, I think a tough decision will be made on Foyth if we are to strengthen the side. I'd really rather not sell Foyth but if 20m comes in... who knows?

CCV could really help in this first stretch of matches. His homegrown status eliminates headaches about registration and I would much rather play him in Bulgaria and Moldova than send Dier or Toby with City at the weekend.

Good post. Might very well be the reason why he is still around.

I would only "replace" Foyth with CCV if the Foyth-money goes to someone special in midfield or up front. Then it might be a risk worth taking.

Also there is a bit of an assumption there regarding Tanganga. If he is somewhat permanently crooked then selling Foyth should mean someone like Skriniar rather than someone like CCV.

Personally I hope Foyth just stays and then we got enough bodies. Davies can also perfectly well play in a back 3. Probably played better as a LCD for Wales than he has for us as a LB on average.

 

[beats1]

TBH he is a Mourinho style defender, someone who is intelligent, who whilst not the most athletic(though CCV just lacks in agility) he is a good defender

 

[kieranfitchett]

He’ll definitely get games within our ridiculous first 20 days of the season but after that I do worry, I think the Europa group games will be utilised as an opportunity for Tanganga/maybe Foyth to get game time at CB but I would imagine it’d be one of the two alongside one of dier sanchez or toby. The only way I see him getting a decent amount of minutes is if foyth goes and we don’t get another CB in. Otherwise he sits as sixth choice at a time in his career where he needs to play week in week out

 

[Dannyspur]

Bournemouth sold Ake, they need a centre back - part-ex for one of their strikers?

 

[yankspurs]

I wouldnt loan him out again. He’s had 5 loans already playing almost 100 games. Either sell him or keep him and be prepared to give him 20-25 games. And really, should we be doing that? I understand he is a Mourinho type CB, but he’d be 5th choice for us(if Foyth is sold without replacement). I guess we dont have to make this decision now and can wait until mid October during the England transfer week to see how he gets on in the 9 games in 20 days stretch. But personally, i’d lean toward selling him. He needs to be playing.

 

[Deleted member 29446]

I wouldnt loan him out again. He’s had 5 loans already playing almost 100 games. Either sell him or keep him and be prepared to give him 20-25 games. And really, should we be doing that? I understand he is a Mourinho type CB, but he’d be 5th choice for us(if Foyth is sold without replacement). I guess we dont have to make this decision now and can wait until mid October during the England transfer week to see how he gets on in the 9 games in 20 days stretch. But personally, i’d lean toward selling him. He needs to be playing.

4th choice surely? You think Davies would start ahead of him in CB?

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

4th choice surely? You think Davies would start ahead of him in CB?

LCB is Davies Wales position. And his preferred and best position.

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

I wouldnt loan him out again. He’s had 5 loans already playing almost 100 games. Either sell him or keep him and be prepared to give him 20-25 games. And really, should we be doing that? I understand he is a Mourinho type CB, but he’d be 5th choice for us(if Foyth is sold without replacement). I guess we dont have to make this decision now and can wait until mid October during the England transfer week to see how he gets on in the 9 games in 20 days stretch. But personally, i’d lean toward selling him. He needs to be playing.

In my opinion CCTV is not good enough for our squad. He is lower prem/championship level. Not his fault Just the way it is.

 

[yankspurs]

4th choice surely? You think Davies would start ahead of him in CB?

This is our depth atm: Sanchez, Dier, Toby, Tanganga, Foyth, CCV, Davies. If Foyth leaves, CCV would be 5th choice.

 

[Bulletspur]

He reminds of Paul McGrath back in the day for Man Utd. Was a bit player with potential going on loans in the early days until he had a break away year and easily became the best player in the then 1st Division. If CCV has a similar break away year, I hope it will be with us.

 

[John48]

I'm surprised he seems to be in front of Foyth, of the 2 I consider Foyth the better option.

Seeing if Bournemouth fancy taking him as part of a deal to get either Wilson or King seems a good option to me.

 

[Bulletspur]

In my opinion CCTV is not good enough for our squad. He is lower prem/championship level. Not his fault Just the way it is.

Why the insult?

 

[jpascavitz]

As an American I would love to see CCV on the roster this season and thought he has looked decent in pre-season. With the amount of matches we have coming up, I could see him getting 15-20 matches this season.

Big stumbling block is that according to the web his contract ends at the end of 2021. I'm also a big fan of Foyth, but it's been reported that he's willing to stay, but needs game time, otherwise he'll go elsewhere (his contract is up in 2022).

So with everything going on with tighter funds and priorities in other areas, I imagine this is a very fluid situation. Will CCV sign a longer-term deal and be OK with a reserve role as 5th choice if Foyth leaves? If Foyth stays, will he sign a new deal and OK a loan move again? Does he become expendable if KMJ deal presents itself? A lot of ifs.

I think he might be the most affordable option and still has some potential. We can probably get more money right now for Foyth and save the money by not signing KMJ. With Dier, Toby, Sanchez, Tanganga, and potentially Davies ahead of him, maybe that's what the club is thinking?