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The Karl Marx of football?
More Fidel Castro....
The Karl Marx of football?
This was what I was going to say in reply to an earlier post. If Koeman knew what was going on then why did they come right out and concede in 47 secs? He had not a clue.I'm fairly sure Koeman didn't know what was going on tbh. Evertons midfield couldn't get close.
TBF this is Pep's dream formation. 11 individually gifted players talented enough to cover the entire pitch and win matches regardless of how he puts them together... and basically what he had during his time with Barca.agree. technically its a slightly more complicated version of the 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1
Think their pace will add another dimension to attacking play....and likewise safer defensively against better teamsI don't think Aurier and Rose would have been any better yesterday than Davies and Trippier (and I've not been a huge fan of Davies generally). I think Rose has become better while injured in everyone's mind. He's still a pretty wasteful player. That ball by Davies for Kane was as good as any I've seen Rose play. Wish we'd have bought Sessegnon, he'd have been the bollocks in this system after some developing.
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But that's what @coys200 is saying. The Dier dropping back thing only happened when we played 2CB systems, with Dier in CM. The difference this season is big, as we have switched from a cm2 system to a cm3 system, which tactically is massively different. And we've now done it in a 2CB system (Chelsea) and 3CB system (Everton).
The massive tactical difference is, in a 2CM system, in a proactive team (like we are) both CM's have to pivot and do all things in varying degrees. In the three system you just need a central insurance man being more disciplined and one dimensional and two pivoting either side who can be more progressive, helping you to overload from deeper, harder to pick up positions.
My point is that we largely played the 3CB system for the majority of the last season when Wanyama was in DCM and Dier at RCB, especially the 2nd half of the season. So it's wasn't a new revelation unveiled for the first time.
Nobody is talking about the defence it's mainly changing away from the midfield 2 of Dembele and Wanyama playing together to relying on one full time CM in Dier on this occasion. The defensive positions in a back 3 have been the same on many occasions and until this game you could always rely on it being a combo of Dembele/Winks/Dier Wanyama.My point is that we largely played the 3CB system for the majority of the last season when Wanyama was in DCM and Dier at RCB, especially the 2nd half of the season. So it's wasn't a new revelation unveiled for the first time.
I'll believe we switch to more games where we play a cm3, or more specifically the one holding/pivot player and the others with more freedom/fluidity to their roles, when I see it. Poch was saying at about this time last year how he saw things evolving when he was playing a 4-1-4-1, as soon as everyone was fit it was always (well almost, there was a game vs. Hull for example where we played reasonably similar to the game at the weekend) back to the norm.
The thing that gives me hope is that this was the second time in 4 games that we have distinctly played some kind of 3cm system in 4 games. The irony is, against Chelsea it was way too risk averse with Dier/Dembele/Wanyama as the 3, against Everton he went a little too far the other way IMO, with Dier/Eriksen/Sissoko. And the results were very predictable, against Chelsea our tempo was non existent, our play was laborious, against Everton it was Hail Mary chaos with Eriksen and Sissoko bombing on, we overloaded forward areas and created numerous situations but left ourselves very exposed at times, luckily Everton weren't Chelsea.
I like the concept, I think it's tactically a very viable system that could really suit us, but he's got the get the balance right for the right occasion. It's just a huge shame that potentially the perfect player for this system isn't popular with POch and has been packed away to Villa.
I think Chelsea was just total risk averse, ultra safe selections, I wouldn't read anything into that.
Agree about Onomah, I would like him at the club still.
I agree partially with what you are saying on the Everton game, I don't think the cm3 was perfect but it was quite effective and at least on paper had a bit of balance to it - one anchor, one ball player, one runner - it offered a bit of everything. It also put players in positions where they can be more effective. I think you agree with all this, but Dier is more effective just sitting and screening in a cm3 than the cm2 where he needs to be more mobile, and I said before he even signed that Sissoko, to get anything out of him, is a cm3 player who goes box-to-box - it only took a year for the manager to realise this. I'm not saying they are the best options or ones I would pick, but if you are going to play them I'd hope they are played in roles/midfields that suit them from now on.