Antonio Rüdiger

[cider spurs]

Whilst I appreciate racism, and accusations of racism should not be ignored or overlooked, it would be nice to see a few comments based on his actual footballing ability, or lack of.

Are some not wanting him purely based on his accusations.

Would he actually do a job for us, improve us. What's his strengths and weaknesses. I'm down for seeing a few comments about his actual ability.

For the record, whilst I'd certainly prefer Skriniar, I think Rudiger would actually add a bit more physicality to our defence.

Some things are bigger I suppose you think Sulzeer didn't really do anything wrong. For me this clown joined the "Sol" club.
Never

Totally ignoring my opening sentiments.

Merely wanted to move away from the racism 'did he hear, didn't he hear' , and try and see what posters thought of his actual footballing ability, and whether he'd be a good fit at Spurs.

Anyways, appreciate the sweeping assumption based on...erm...well...erm...feck all. X ?.

 

[AJW]

I can’t see a reason why Chelsea would let this happen. Absolutely no benefit to them when they don’t need money. He will end up going on loan somewhere else on Monday

 

[George94]

I can’t see a reason why Chelsea would let this happen. Absolutely no benefit to them when they don’t need money. He will end up going on loan somewhere else on Monday

They won’t let this happen - they’ll drag us along thinking we’ve got a deal and then pull out last minute to fuck us over.

Remember Giroud in January, anyone?

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Posted this in the Skriniar thread thinking I was in this thread??‍:


Clearly there’s something in this given how much press it is getting, but so much doesn’t add up with the link from all three parties sides (Chelsea, ours and the players). Forgetting the whole unpleasantness and any views on that: we’d be helping a hated rival with their bloated squad issues all for a 6 or 7/10 centre back who it’s debatable if he’s any improvement on our current options, never mind significantly; they’d be helping a hated rival with their squad, a side with whom they’re going to be competing for position, and it doesn’t even seem they’d be getting a decent fee out of it; he’d be going to a club out of the champions league, who won trophies far less regularly, where he wouldn’t even be paid any more and would have no guarantees of playing with an even better centre back seat than those with which he is currently competing.

It would be one of the stranger transfers I’ve seen if it happens.

 

[thefierycamel]

Just keep Juan if this bloke is our option ffs

 

[BENNO]

For purely footballing reasons alone, the notion of this potential signing makes complete sense to me as i've always seen him as an overly aggressive defender, who i didn't like us playing against. So from that point of view, and given how Skrinair is described as a defender, then it seems sensible that we'd look for (broadly) a similar type of defending style. I have plenty of mixed feelings on whether i'd actually want him at Spurs, mostly negative, but as always when a player moves to Spurs, i back him 100%, and this one would be no different were it to happen (Note: i doubt very much it'd happen btw).

 

[Maxtremist]

On just purely football, let's not stick our head in the sands or anything like that and admit he's a decent CB. Not world class but as many have said and feel, probably Chelsea's best CB. He's a German international defender for a reason.
Looking at our CB options of Sanchez, Dier, Tanganga and Toby, are we really saying on a footballing level all four are miles better than him? All of them have their weaknesses and drawbacks and whilst Rudiger isn't perfect if we got him he'd realistically be in the conversation to be one of our two starting CBs in our first 11 I genuinely think.

On the Chelsea aspect, that's the biggest issue. Would they sell/ do a deal with us? Ultimately with everything in football it's if the price is right. They're very reluctant and we'd be last on the list... but we are still on the list. Player wants to leave, club don't want him, we seemingly do. There is a deal to be done there. If Fat Frank thinks not having him helps Chelsea whether it be for their balance or a wage issue or whatever then this deal could happen. Maybe not totally favourably for us but we just bent over Benfica. Having one deal not be a Levy special is okay.

Now as for him personally, we've covered that. Me imparticular. But he wants to come seemingly. And whilst he's got an edge about him... is that bad? We watched All Or Nothing and have followed Spurs for years, our players generally miss an edge. Miss being a bit of a bastard. We need more of that. Especially as it seems his edge doesn't sound disruptive to the dressing room. If he was such a toxic person that the Chelsea dressing room was falling apart because of him I'd understand more of the hate and dislike to his personality, but he seems well liked and even seemingly helped then land Havertz and Werner.

So he'd generally be an upgrade on the pitch. There's a deal to be done though not the best deal. And he'd be an okay addition to the training ground.

 

[Stamford]

Just keep Juan if this bloke is our option ffs

Why Rudiger currently is a much better player

 

[Deleted member 27995]

I'd rather save our cash, the goal now is to improve what we have in the starting 11 while supplementing certain positions with youth, our CH are all a much of a muchness in pros and cons - adding another to that group seems pointless.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Looking at our CB options of Sanchez, Dier, Tanganga and Toby, are we really saying on a footballing level all four are miles better than him?

No, but why sign someone who it’s even arguable wouldn’t make our first team in an area where we have considerable depth? I will caveat by saying that if we sold Aurier with the intention of using Tabatha at right back, something I suspect would be an excellent idea but that’s another conversation, then Rudiger makes sense. However, if we’ve got the three proven centre backs who are all at worst around the same level as Rudiger (two of whom are still younger and the eldest one having a much better ‘best’ than all of them) and a young player who has huge potential in Tanganga, then what’s the point in Rudiger? We’ve got depth and we’ve got ‘good enough’ which is what Rudiger represents, so we should only be looking to bring in ‘better than we have’ in my opinion. Skriniar seems to represent that. Based on the years of Rudiger in this league, he doesn’t,

 

[spursfan1991]

People will do anything for money it seems these days. There is no way i would be going to a place that i have accused of racism.

 

[TheChosenOne]

No, but why sign someone who it’s even arguable wouldn’t make our first team in an area where we have considerable depth? I will caveat by saying that if we sold Aurier with the intention of using Tabatha at right back, something I suspect would be an excellent idea but that’s another conversation, then Rudiger makes sense. However, if we’ve got the three proven centre backs who are all at worst around the same level as Rudiger (two of whom are still younger and the eldest one having a much better ‘best’ than all of them) and a young player who has huge potential in Tanganga, then what’s the point in Rudiger? We’ve got depth and we’ve got ‘good enough’ which is what Rudiger represents, so we should only be looking to bring in ‘better than we have’ in my opinion. Skriniar seems to represent that. Based on the years of Rudiger in this league, he doesn’t,

If Chelsea are crap in defence why are they selling/loaning a supposedly good defender ?

 

[mil1lion]

I would take him if there is a chance. I just can't see it. What it would do is add better competition at centre back for us and take away a quality centre back from our rivals.

 

[ebzrascal]

People will do anything for money it seems these days. There is no way i would be going to a place that i have accused of racism.

I do not think he accused the club and all the fans of being racist ? some perspective please

 

[Deleted member 27995]

I do not think he accused the club and all the fans of being racist ? some perspective please

No, but the media and the two week (and more) furore didn't die down, some shite journo's continue to push the envelope on us and it gave the club a bit of a bruising, bigger picture please.

 

[Rosco1984]

People will do anything for money it seems these days. There is no way i would be going to a place that i have accused of racism.

I mean he already plays for one of the clubs with the biggest history of racist issues in the league so why not.

 

[ebzrascal]

No, but the media and the two week (and more) furore didn't die down, some shite journo's continue to push the envelope on us and it gave the club a bit of a bruising, bigger picture please.

I do not think we are considered a racist club even after that incident

 

[ebzrascal]

I think a loan is perfect for Spurs but probably not for Chelsea as his contract ends in Jan 2022

 

[Deleted member 27995]

I do not think we are considered a racist club even after that incident

I think it's a fair point, the club had to take a lot of unjust accusations at that time.

I'd like to add before this goes wildly off topic -

I felt it also made people open their minds at the time that no club is free of racism. While I dislike the flak the club took, I'm glad it made me think about myself and my feelings towards those around me when it comes to this sort of thing

 

[Yiddo100]

I think a loan is perfect for Spurs but probably not for Chelsea as his contract ends in Jan 2022

You sure ?