3 points from 8 games Harry?

[orkneyspur]

In fact, you need to be 35-45 properly to remember the last time we were doing as well in the league as we have in the last three seasons and 05-07. Before the 80s you have to go back another 20 years, to 59-60 through to 63-64.

Too true SS57, that's the problem. It's all now now now. No building any more. I'm not a great fan of HR, but we've got a pretty damn good squad and can do a top 4-6 again this year no probs.

 

[TheGreenLily]

Shit loads more possession, lots more shots, basically the stats from the end of the game go against your argument that we weren't very good.

I admire you sticking to your guns rather than running for the hills, but fuck me you are talking a load of shite son :lol:

The stats may look good, but I watched the game and in the first half we was really poor, but better in the second. Until Ade scored there was nothing in it.

I am happy we won of course and good for confidence, but if we play like what we did in the first half, Liverpool is going to be a very tough game.

 

[camaj]

TGL makes some valid points though. It's a shame people want to paint any critics as "knee-jerk". I'm sure there are people that over-reacted at two straight defeats but a lot of people over-reacted when Ramos had a bad start to the season, I don't remember too many people defending him so it's strange to see Harry getting a pass.

There are people who've had a lot of concerns over Redknapp for a long time and the comments over the past few weeks have been, for a lot of people, have reflected what they felt last season and beyond. It's a bit of a shame that people try to deflect legitimate concerns by tarring all critics with the knee jerk brush. Worse yet the trend to accuse critics of wanting players they don't rate (or HR) to perform badly. Surely most critics would rather come out and say a player has made big improvements than for them to be proved right. For me, at least, the most frustrating thing is being proved right so often, being wrong would be far more enjoyable.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

TGL makes some valid points though. It's a shame people want to paint any critics as "knee-jerk". I'm sure there are people that over-reacted at two straight defeats but a lot of people over-reacted when Ramos had a bad start to the season, I don't remember too many people defending him so it's strange to see Harry getting a pass.

There are people who've had a lot of concerns over Redknapp for a long time and the comments over the past few weeks have been, for a lot of people, have reflected what they felt last season and beyond. It's a bit of a shame that people try to deflect legitimate concerns by tarring all critics with the knee jerk brush. Worse yet the trend to accuse critics of wanting players they don't rate (or HR) to perform badly. Surely most critics would rather come out and say a player has made big improvements than for them to be proved right. For me, at least, the most frustrating thing is being proved right so often, being wrong would be far more enjoyable.

I think you're wrong about pretty much everything. There you go, enjoy that.

 

[SpurSince57]

TGL makes some valid points though. It's a shame people want to paint any critics as "knee-jerk". I'm sure there are people that over-reacted at two straight defeats but a lot of people over-reacted when Ramos had a bad start to the season, I don't remember too many people defending him so it's strange to see Harry getting a pass.

There are people who've had a lot of concerns over Redknapp for a long time and the comments over the past few weeks have been, for a lot of people, have reflected what they felt last season and beyond. It's a bit of a shame that people try to deflect legitimate concerns by tarring all critics with the knee jerk brush. Worse yet the trend to accuse critics of wanting players they don't rate (or HR) to perform badly. Surely most critics would rather come out and say a player has made big improvements than for them to be proved right. For me, at least, the most frustrating thing is being proved right so often, being wrong would be far more enjoyable.

They did? When some of us pointed out the general shitness of our performances under Ramos from January '08 onwards (and frankly, they weren't that good before that) it was, 'When Juande gets his own squad together', a notably dimwitted comment which happily ignored the fact that he'd been brought in to improve the 'top four' side Comolli had put together, not dismantle it.

When the fuck have you been proved right?

:rofl:

 

[Woland]

This thread is titled 3 points from 8 games Harry?

Technically it's still valid.

Now could we please put it to bed until after the next league game because
- This is what this thread had beed started for - to rub it in after a particular result, and not for a sensible discussion on the manager's merits
- There are other active Harry out threads out there

Oh, and I hope to see it locked come Sept 18th so I don't see it top of the SpursChat anymore. COYS!

 

[jonathanhotspur]

This thread is titled 3 points from 8 games Harry?

Technically it's still valid.

Now could we please put it to bed until after the next league game because
- This is what this thread had beed started for - to rub it in after a particular result, and not for a sensible discussion on the manager's merits
- There are other active Harry out threads out there

Oh, and I hope to see it locked come Sept 18th so I don't see it top of the SpursChat anymore. COYS!

Have you been at the sherry tonight?

 

[AngerManagement]

@AM

We have won what..... 4 times in 15 games spanning the end of last season and a part from Ade and Parker, we still have the same team more or less.

Today performance was not great at all, but we won.

I am sorry, but I personally think harry can fuck off. I didn't mind losing against Mancity as I know they are a very strong team, it is the manner in which we lost.

And i was still not convince by today's performance, especially in the first half.

You just can't please some people

We went away to Wolves on the back of two defeats with two new players in key positions (not great for cohesion) and Wolves are much improved this season thus far and even previously we have only ever won there once in PL history (which dictates it was a tough away fixture)

As I have said before both Chelsea and Man U lost there last season, its not an easy place to go and win.

We dominated the game, kept a clean sheet and won 2-0 with both our new boys impressing and being involved in goals. Modric looked back to his old self with no signs of sulking.

What more do you want really?

It was a near perfect day and we showed what we are still about putting to bed our dismal start to the season.

You should be man enough to just hold your hand up and admit that you were frustrated with our transfer window and the second half at Old Trafford which caused you to create a knee jerk reaction thread which was clearly a drastic over reaction.

Come on let it go now, we are a good team and we will be in the mix for the top four again this year. Hold you hand up and admit you were just over reacting and get behind your club for what will no doubt be another very exciting season.

 

[jurgenthegreat]

http://www.topspurs.com/thfc-managers-index.htm

After an adjustment for today's win, Harry is on 1.7 PPG and back to the top of the pile.

comparing the 2 squads would say jols achievement is more impressive

 

[TheGreenLily]

You just can't please some people

We went away to Wolves on the back of two defeats with two new players in key positions (not great for cohesion) and Wolves are much improved this season thus far and even previously we have only ever won there once in PL history (which dictates it was a tough away fixture)

As I have said before both Chelsea and Man U lost there last season, its not an easy place to go and win.

We dominated the game, kept a clean sheet and won 2-0 with both our new boys impressing and being involved in goals. Modric looked back to his old self with no signs of sulking.

What more do you want really?

It was a near perfect day and we showed what we are still about putting to bed our dismal start to the season.

You should be man enough to just hold your hand up and admit that you were frustrated with our transfer window and the second half at Old Trafford which caused you to create a knee jerk reaction thread which was clearly a drastic over reaction.

Come on let it go now, we are a good team and we will be in the mix for the top four again this year. Hold you hand up and admit you were just over reacting and get behind your club for what will no doubt be another very exciting season.

I know we have a good team, but I know our team is ravaged by injuries at the moment.

I also know it was a good a result and at not one point did I say it was not a good result.

When I made those predictions I was taking into account that we have a very very very tough start to the season tied in with a lot of injuries and as I pointed out in my first post "unless we get some players in" (or words to that effect).

And I know things will pick up, but at the start of season against some very tough games especially at home (Man City, Liverpool and Arsenal) and away (Manu, Wolves and Newcastle).

Now we have Ade and how we played yesterday, things are looking up. Also hoping that Parker is not a replacement for Sandro.

Yes you are right I was frustrated at the transfer window and frustrated how we collapsed at Man you, but I was also frustrated at how we finished last season.

Just getting pissed off with the fact people assume I made it because we lost one game, that is was a knee jerk reaction. I am also happy that I was wrong about the wolves game and hopefully the rest too.

 

[Paolo10]

We lost 2 games, to sides that are murdering anyone they play at the moment. That spawned more knee-jerky anti Harry threads and posts than I've seen in a long time and it's completely fucking pathetic and these concerns or critiques people wheel out are always a complete pile of shite.

 

[AngerManagement]

I know we have a good team, but I know our team is ravaged by injuries at the moment.

I also know it was a good a result and at not one point did I say it was not a good result.

When I made those predictions I was taking into account that we have a very very very tough start to the season tied in with a lot of injuries and as I pointed out in my first post "unless we get some players in" (or words to that effect).

And I know things will pick up, but at the start of season against some very tough games especially at home (Man City, Liverpool and Arsenal) and away (Manu, Wolves and Newcastle).

Now we have Ade and how we played yesterday, things are looking up. Also hoping that Parker is not a replacement for Sandro.

Yes you are right I was frustrated at the transfer window and frustrated how we collapsed at Man you, but I was also frustrated at how we finished last season.

Just getting pissed off with the fact people assume I made it because we lost one game, that is was a knee jerk reaction. I am also happy that I was wrong about the wolves game and hopefully the rest too.

Its a tough league there are pretty much no easy games now days and these types of predictions are futile because a team like ours on its day can beat anyone and equally capable of dropping points to any team.

What are you actually basing this thread on if not a knee jerk reaction to a window that maybe wasn't as spectacular as we'd hoped and a heavy loss in our opening games?

Because we finished poorly last season? We still came fifth and beat a resurgent Liverpool team at Anfield when was the last time we did that? or beat Arsenal away?

We were unlucky last season, we had our eye on the CL and it was our first campaign it takes time and experience to learn to manage the demands of a very competitive league and a CL campaign and maintain top form in both, our team is still on a learning curve and improving.

We now have a striker who can actually score, this alone would probably have been enough for us to have finished third last year because we really weren't playing all that bad we just had a lack of movement and finishing up front and we have now addressed this.

Why would you worry Parker is a replacement for Sandro? We have just given Sandro an improved contract so it is obvious we see his value to us. He will get plenty of game time and I suspect more often then not he will line up along side Parker giving Modric more licence to roam and be creative. (parker replaces JJ and WP)

We're in good shape, if we can keep Ledley, VDV and Adebayor fit and performing we will be challenging the likes of Arsenal and Liverpool for fourth place this year I have no doubt what so ever.

It would have been nice to have signed another striker or a star player late in the window just to build some excitement but that doesn't detract from what we do have, which is a very good squad of players....King, Modric, Bale, Sandro, VDV, Adebayor are all players who would grace any top 4 side and we are lucky to have them.

We also have in Adebayor and Parker two players who have the type of qualities that could make our system work once VDV is back, something we suffered from last season.


..........Sandro Parker
....VDV Modric Bale
..........Adebayor

This line up in my opinion is capable of beating anyone in our league and at the very least a capable unit for a fourth place challenge. Add to that the input of Lennon, Defoe, Niko, GDS and Pav and we are now a strong and deeply stocked attacking force.

Friedel adds some stability to the back line and the defence will as will Sandro and Parker's protection in front of them.

It would have been nice to have brought in a natural replacement for Ledley to be the leader of the back line but we shouldn't forget we have that in Gallas who will also be back soon enough. If we can get King playing enough this season we will really be in fabulous shape.

We have a less demanding programme this season as our main focus will be the league and we are a better team than last season also. Yes other teams have also strengthened and yes we got off to a bad start but there is no reason to be so down beat about of chances of success this year.

 

[Mr Pink]

The Green lily.....Eek

 

[TheGreenLily]

Its a tough league there are pretty much no easy games now days and these types of predictions are futile because a team like ours on its day can beat anyone and equally capable of dropping points to any team.

What are you actually basing this thread on if not a knee jerk reaction to a window that maybe wasn't as spectacular as we'd hoped and a heavy loss in our opening games?

Because we finished poorly last season? We still came fifth and beat a resurgent Liverpool team at Anfield when was the last time we did that? or beat Arsenal away?

Yeah it is a tough league and bringing in new players that can actually strengthen the squad is not that easy. It is a bit of all of that and some of Harry's team selection. Although we was stuck with the players after January I think the likes of Kane could and should have been given a run seeing as our main strikers were so ineffectual we had nothing to lose. Being young and full of energy they may have offered something different up front, without the need of burning out Bale and playing an injured VDV.

We were unlucky last season, we had our eye on the CL and it was our first campaign it takes time and experience to learn to manage the demands of a very competitive league and a CL campaign and maintain top form in both, our team is still on a learning curve and improving.

I know this, but Harry has been around a long time and should have known. We have also been playing Europe in previous seasons, so we should have gained experience on the management of squad during this time. Regardless of what level it was playing in Europe at whatever level is important and one of the reasons why I totally disagreed with Harry's comments that the UEFA league is a hindrance. It is not, Europe is vitally important at all levels.

We now have a striker who can actually score, this alone would probably have been enough for us to have finished third last year because we really weren't playing all that bad we just had a lack of movement and finishing up front and we have now addressed this.

We do have a new striker who is on loan, and it is impossible to tell if Man City will sell to us at the end of the season, so unless we can get CL football again to attract top strikers, we could very well be back to square one on the striker front. With the possibility of Harry leaving for England or going to jail, I hate to think of the possibilities of what is going to happen.

Why would you worry Parker is a replacement for Sandro? We have just given Sandro an improved contract so it is obvious we see his value to us. He will get plenty of game time and I suspect more often then not he will line up along side Parker giving Modric more licence to roam and be creative. (parker replaces JJ and WP)

I would like to think that Harry would do that, but some of his previous decisions is putting a question mark against that, giving me doubts.

We're in good shape, if we can keep Ledley, VDV and Adebayor fit and performing we will be challenging the likes of Arsenal and Liverpool for fourth place this year I have no doubt what so ever.

I will keep my fingers crossed for Ledley, if he becomes injured again he will just become a liability with the likes of Gallas and Kaboul playing as CB pairing I think they are more than capable of providing a strong defence. Ade getting injured is what worries me most, we lose him we are left with just Defoe and Pav, neither of which are lighting my fire. Will Kane get a run to prove his worth, probably not.

We are walking a very fine line.

It would have been nice to have signed another striker or a star player late in the window just to build some excitement but that doesn't detract from what we do have, which is a very good squad of players....King, Modric, Bale, Sandro, VDV, Adebayor are all players who would grace any top 4 side and we are lucky to have them.

Agree with that completely and Sandro signing a new 5 year contract is awesome. Made me very very happy.

We also have in Adebayor and Parker two players who have the type of qualities that could make our system work once VDV is back, something we suffered from last season.


..........Sandro Parker
....VDV Modric Bale
..........Adebayor

This line up in my opinion is capable of beating anyone in our league and at the very least a capable unit for a fourth place challenge. Add to that the input of Lennon, Defoe, Niko, GDS and Pav and we are now a strong and deeply stocked attacking force.

I have posted this line up in other threads and I also think it is our strongest line up. I also believe we could have played similar formation against Wolves with Livermore (who I thought came on and did really well against man city and so surprised he didn't start) replacing Sandro and maybe have Falque/GDS/a youngster in place of VDV, rather than Harry moving Bale out to the right like he did.

Then if it didn't work revert to a 4-4-2 with modric on the left... which is where he played when we got into the CL.


Friedel adds some stability to the back line and the defence will as will Sandro and Parker's protection in front of them.

I agree, but will it happen?

It would have been nice to have brought in a natural replacement for Ledley to be the leader of the back line but we shouldn't forget we have that in Gallas who will also be back soon enough. If we can get King playing enough this season we will really be in fabulous shape.

I haven't forgotten Gallas at all. However, we still need to bring suitable replacements.

We have a less demanding programme this season as our main focus will be the league and we are a better team than last season also. Yes other teams have also strengthened and yes we got off to a bad start but there is no reason to be so down beat about of chances of success this year.

I would like us to go for all four competitions, which should be possible given the squad, especially the league and EUFA. Winning the that would be really nice. Given our performance in CL last season I think we have a really good chance of winning that if we really go for it. It should also give Modric some silverware to wave around as well.

I know we might have a good season, just think we are going to have a rough start until we get our squad back, that's all.

 

[Coyboy]

Yup we won today when I predicted a draw and up until the Ade scored it certainly looked like we was going to draw.

Wow you really are a footballing oracle.

Pleaty is that you?

A post, or series of posts, for the logically (and grammatically) challenged.

 

[RickyVilla]

GL do us all a favour and get a job

 

[AngerManagement]

What ever way you try to spin it now Green Lily you were over reacting and your thread was knee jerk.

I can understand you were frustrated at the time, all of us were after the Man U game and even more so after the City one. But the fact is you were too quick to start calling doom and gloom, you should have waited to see who we brought in before you condemned the side and our manager.

Having brought in Adebayor and Parker we are now in much better shape than we were last season, once some of our other players come back we will be even more so.

Yes in an ideal world we would have brought in a second striker and another centre back but what we have is actually more than good enough to achieve our objectives for the season.

Personally I think you should just hold your hands up and admit you were over reacting out of frustration and put the thread to bed now instead of trying to labour a point which is now looking increasingly silly (capped off by your statement regarding the wolves game almost being a draw)

Harry has done a great job thus far and he now has the squad the way he wants it, don't you think you owe him a little bit of time to prove how well he can make this new look squad perform before you write him off? after all he has giving you the highest PL finish you have ever seen at the club and your first and very exciting taste of CL football.

 

[vegassd]

An immovable object and an irresistible force?

Let's stop bitching about who has the worst knees and hope Gio has a good game on Thursday and can go on to provide some genuine competition to Defoe and Rafa up front.

It doesn't matter how many points we get from the first 8 games. What matters is that we score more points than 16 other teams over the course of 38 games. We can start that process on Sunday.

COYS.

 

[Shanks]

We lost to both Utd and City. THey are both by far and away the best two teams in the premiership and the title will be a two horse race between them both.

No other team is anywhere near them currently.

A very unlucky draw to the season, could have been completely different had we played out first game at home to Everton (who are never great season starters themselves).

We won away at Wolves, those games are never pretty, no matter what team goes there.

Thats not a bad feat and many a team will struggle going there this season.

It really isn't that bad. With players coming back from injury, we could go onto have a cracking season, my only worry is the Uefa cup, and what kind of effect that will have on our squad.

 

[Blockbuster]

Has anyone pointed out, on saturday it was our FIRST away win in September since 2001?

impressive for Redknapp.

not even Jolly could muster a win in September away from home.