29/5/85 Heysel - Football's (LFC) Forgotten Crime

[sunnydelight786]

As much as LFC try hard to airbrush this tragedy from their past some of us older heads don't, and won't, forget what they done.
Heartbreaking read this especially the bit about the father hearing his sons last few words. I for one pray Juve win the CL next week and dedicate it to the 39. What a fitting tribute that would be..... #ForzaJuve

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/may/27/heysel-stadium-disaster-30th-anniversary

 

[beats1]

That article is somewhat different to the liverpool echo I read earlier
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/heysel-30-years-on-new-9350276

Interested to see what other accounts of it are, especially given that I know nothing about it and its not talked about at all

 

[Monkey boy]

That article is somewhat different to the liverpool echo I read earlier
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/heysel-30-years-on-new-9350276

Interested to see what other accounts of it are, especially given that I know nothing about it and its not talked about at all

Its never their fault is it?

 

[Monkey boy]

" we quoted two Liverpool fans, one back at our hotel who, learning of the dead, said: “Good. They deserved it.” And another at the airport: “I’ve been watching Liverpool for 25 years, now I’m through. I saw people kicking the bodies. There were bodies piled 10 deep and they were booting them. If that’s football, I’m through with it.” I think we felt the same as we trudged home"

Utterly disgusted by what ive just read.

 

[Gbspurs]

" we quoted two Liverpool fans, one back at our hotel who, learning of the dead, said: “Good. They deserved it.” And another at the airport: “I’ve been watching Liverpool for 25 years, now I’m through. I saw people kicking the bodies. There were bodies piled 10 deep and they were booting them. If that’s football, I’m through with it.” I think we felt the same as we trudged home"

Utterly disgusted by what ive just read.

Agree. Being born in 1985 I know next to nothing about this I incident. I assumed it was a stadium crush like Hillsborough but what that reads like is an attack. disgusting.

 

[sunnydelight786]

" we quoted two Liverpool fans, one back at our hotel who, learning of the dead, said: “Good. They deserved it.” And another at the airport: “I’ve been watching Liverpool for 25 years, now I’m through. I saw people kicking the bodies. There were bodies piled 10 deep and they were booting them. If that’s football, I’m through with it.” I think we felt the same as we trudged home"

Utterly disgusted by what ive just read.

10 years back the Guardian newspaper were running a piece on the 20th anniversary and asked a few who were there on their thoughts. This is what the LFC captain, Phil Neal, had to say....

Phil Neal
Then: Liverpool captain, 34
Now: Merseyside Radio commentator

I'd rather forget that night. It was an ordeal. But, Jamie, why should I help you out? I'm helping you pay your mortgage [by talking to you about Heysel]. When people ask me for my view, they usually have to pay for it. You're asking for my help for nothing. To pay your mortgage, Jamie. I mean, what do you want from me?

I just thought that as the captain of Liverpool football club on that night at Heysel it would be good to hear your view?

Yes but what do you want from me? If I talk to you for a few minutes, then I'm helping you pay your mortgage and what am I getting in return? Do you know what I mean?

Well, I have been to Italy and talked with some of the families of the victims and they say that the trophy should be given back by Juventus to commemorate what happened.

About Juventus? Why are you asking me? Why are you asking someone on the Liverpool side? Juventus made amends very soon. Ask them ... Jamie I'm helping you pay your mortgage. People who want my views pay.

I'm sorry, but everyone else I have spoken to has ...

Great. So you've spoken to people, you've got your views. You've got your Liverpool view, but if you want mine for free, well people pay for them.

 

[johnnyallen]

that sums up liverpoo for me right there. Absolute abortion of a club.

 

[Spurger King]

It's why some people suspected that moronic Liverpool fans might have contributed to what happened at Hillsborough.

Not the cynical demonising of an angelic club, but a perfectly reasonable assumption, given their recent history at the time for having a pathetic fan base that had caused deaths.

For their part, Juve fans have refused any attempts from Liverpool fans to apologise...even showing a banner at Anfield (I think) saying something like "Sheffield = justice", and another calling them "murderers". I believe they all turned their back when Liverpool fans held up a banner about the tragedy.

 

[TheChosenOne]

But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."
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Rotterdam 1974. No deaths. Just saying.

 

[sunnydelight786]

It's why some people suspected that moronic Liverpool fans might have contributed to what happened at Hillsborough.

Not the cynical demonising of an angelic club, but a perfectly reasonable assumption, given their recent history at the time for having a pathetic fan base that had caused deaths.

For their part, Juve fans have refused any attempts from Liverpool fans to apologise...even showing a banner at Anfield (I think) saying something like "Sheffield = justice", and another calling them "murderers". I believe they all turned their back when Liverpool fans held up a banner about the tragedy.

The Juve fans turned their backs and gave the kop a middle finger salute to their pathetic mosiac saying 'Amicizia' (friendship). No apology or hint at one!

 

[allatsea]

Strange how Liverpool don't want to remember this tragedy in the same way as the other one. Wonder if King Kenny attended all the funerals of those killed at Heysel ?

 

[SteveH]

Sad day for all concerned. A dark time in English football for all clubs.

Lets not use this tragedy to score points, we are better than that, I hope

 

[TheChosenOne]

How many remember the first match against Anderlecht in the EUFA final back in 1984.

The dead Spurs fan shot .. in the back ...by a bar owner, the subsequent alleged 'hooliganism' which in my
opinion was caused by extremely heavy handed policing.

The trouble back then for the travelling English fans was they were considered fair game by the continentals, stabbings before games and brutal police who decided every English fan was a hooligan and needed battering.

 

[DiscoD1882]

God i remember watching this unfold as a kid. Always irks me that nothing has really ben said about it. And the rammification that we felt as a club being banned from Europe because of it. I know this was the straw that broke the camels back and alot of other clubs our included had a serious hooliganism problem. But as the OP says this has been conveniently airbrushed from history.

 

[Mr.D]

It was an awful event. I clearly remember one of the images. A disconsolate Juve fan carrying the body of dead relative or friend.

 

[nailsy]

Agree. Being born in 1985 I know next to nothing about this I incident. I assumed it was a stadium crush like Hillsborough but what that reads like is an attack. disgusting.

It was an attack. I can still remember watching it on TV. It now seems like a ridiculous decision to play the game, but at the time I can remember wondering, and fearing, what the Liverpool fans would do if the match didn't go ahead.

 

[sunnydelight786]

It was an attack. I can still remember watching it on TV. It now seems like a ridiculous decision to play the game, but at the time I can remember wondering, and fearing, what the Liverpool fans would do if the match didn't go ahead.

Furthermore it was a attack on a neutral section, don't believe any BS spin by LFC saying they were retaliating as the Juve Ultras were situated at the opposite end of the ground. I can clearly remember Platini and other Juve players going over to their ultras pleading with them not to retaliate. For LFC and especially Dalglish to come out and use the excuse of Rome 12 months earlier does not wash. But I guess it's never their fault eh.....

 

[TaoistMonkey]

“They came running at us through the fence,” recalls Guarini. “Alberto was caught against a barrier. His last words were ‘Papa, mi stanno schiaccando’ – Daddy, they’re crushing me”. Guarini lost consciousness, but when he came to he insisted that the Red Cross join him to search for his son. They found him, lifeless.

Ok, Liverpool have just pipped Arsenal to the top of my shit list.

 

[gilzeantheking]

This is every bit as tragic as Hillsborough, and should be remembered as such.

 

[nipponyid]

in-depth look into the tragedy. 4 other parts there...