Eberechi Eze

carmeldevil · Mar 11, 2024

dontcallme said:
Maybe they paid for it.

FFS Levy - not helping with the recruiting!

Ghost Hardware · Mar 11, 2024

brasil_spur said:
Solid post and I agree with some of it.

I'd say it all comes down to our ambitions for next season.

IF we finish 4th and get CL this season then both Ange and the club will be aiming higher than that for next season. That means top 4 as minimum with a cup and/or title challenge.

That means we need a strong squad, not one that can "make do" with only 1 game per week.

Lo Celso hasn't shown that he can step up to that level with us and under Ange his injuries are back. He's clearly a talented player but IMO not suited to the intensity of the PL.

Both Donley and Devine look like great prospects, but they aren't at the level where they can be regulars in a PL, CL and cup challenging team. On that point I think Eze would need to step up a little from his current level to be that type of player, but he's been proving himself consistently in the PL for a couple of seasons now so I think he's at that point where he can.

I don't see why we wouldn't want two top quality AMs next season, with one of Donley, Devine or Bergval (not sure he's an AM though) to be part of the squad.

So I personally think, with the ambition we will have next season, there's no other option but to bring in an AM.

Now onto Eze:

I don't think his price will be in the £60m region, two seasons ago sure, but with PRS kicking in hard player values are going to start to drop, if for no other reason than the lower league teams not having the money and the higher league teams needing to be really careful on where they spend their more limited funds.

So let's say the deal is do-able at around £45-50m (some if being add-ons). He's young enough for it to be sensible to spread that over 5 years and so we're addressing a key position (IMO) in a proper way for a sensible amount.

Plus he's homegrown and CT for Europe, so that's a big plus. And he's with CAA Base - so we know the deal is achievable if we want it, rather than it getting strung out and complicated by agents we don't know well.

In terms of overall squad investment, I agree that we need to bring in one winger this summer. I think in Werner and Johnson we have two good, pacey players that can contribute to goals and assists, but we need a 3rd. Given that Johnson is versatile across the left and right, bringing in a right winger is key.

There aren't any stand out right wingers in the prem right now who we could get, apart from Neto who we should avoid due to injuries. So that means a player from abroad and thus someone that isn't homegrown.

I think with a new AM and a new Right Winger, plus bringing in Werner on a perm deal, we're then set for forward signings in the summer.

We then need to bring in another No. 6 / CDM to rotate and compete with Bissouma and there's then questions at CB and LB cover.

Re Eze, he only extended his contract in November and there was a report in the Atheltic last week that it includes a release clause that is over 60 mil. How far above isn't public knowledge. Furthermore it was reported that in Jan it would take around 70 mil to get him. You mention PSR but CP are not one of the clubs that are in trouble due to this as far as im aware. They have been very good at keeping their spending in check so as not to cause themselves any serious problems in this regard. Yes if they want to make any significant moves they will likely need to sell one of their big two but they won't suddenly start selling for under market value especially for a player so in demand as Eze. The initial report in the Independent that caused this thread to be made reported that City is Eze's most likely destination come summer and they have been tracking him a long while with an eye to a summer move. Even with the Base connect I think it would be hard to pursued any player to turn down City. And even ignoring that them pursuing the same player will only serve to push his price up or at least keep it high.

The fact is CP won't want to sell ether Eze or Olise and they renewed both their contracts to make sure they are in the best possible negotiating position should any club come in for ether player. Steve Parish is still the chairman there and he is an extremely tough negotiator as we know from their stance on Zaha over the years. Yes now the finical landscape has changed quite significantly as you point out but not to the extent that they would sell one of their crown jewels who is a key part of their team for under market value especially if they are in a secure financial position. If ether player were to leave they would want to extract every single penny possible from the deal. Not only that if one leaves then the other would probably be completely off the market unless the release clause is triggered. Considering his importance for the club and the constancy of injuries of late I'm sure they would be more open to Olise leaving then Eze.

Even if hypothetically they would agree to selling Eze for 45 mil then you would suddenly get a number of teams interested which again would only serve to drive up the price. Yes not many teams have money but the ones that do will be interested at that price. Reality is the market for talented HG players will always be inflated as they are such a rare commodity and always in high demand amongst the top 6. Essentially if he leaves it will be for a price CP deem appropriate not for a cut down fee IMO.

Neto on the other hand could be a different situation, Wolves are supposedly not in such a healthy position with PSR and will likely need to sell him in order to stay healthy. Again tho due to the number of clubs interested his fee will still be large. As we know 60 mil is the reported fee. Obviously with his injuries it remains to be seen if any team offer that but ether way i would 100% expect Eze, if he leaves, to go for more then him even if Neto was fully fit. I mean if CP do end up looking for a price in the 70 mil range which is quite possible if they don't want to loose him and if City are interested then we may as well go for Kvara if we are happy to shop in that sort of price bracket.

Ether way I just don't see any reality in which we buy two player for over 60 mil and I also don't see Eze going for less then that.

Re AM, as i mentioned in my initial response I can certainly see an argument for another AM. As I said I don't think its a position we should be paying 60 mil on but if we sell Gio, loan Donley/Devine and we don't think Kulu is capable there then for sure its worth investing in but like I said for me it makes more sense to go for young prospect who is currently breaking through who has the potential to be top class player rather then one who is already at that level and likely costs twice as much.

dontcallme · Mar 11, 2024

Ghost Hardware said:
Re Eze, he only extended his contract in November and there was a report in the Atheltic last week that it includes a release clause that is over 60 mil. How far above isn't public knowledge. Furthermore it was reported that in Jan it would take around 70 mil to get him. You mention PSR but CP are not one of the clubs that are in trouble due to this as far as im aware. They have been very good at keeping their spending in check so as not to cause themselves any serious problems in this regard. Yes if they want to make any significant moves they will likely need to sell one of their big two but they won't suddenly start selling for under market value especially for a player so in demand as Eze. The initial report in the Independent that caused this thread to be made reported that City is Eze's most likely destination come summer and they have been tracking him a long while with an eye to a summer move. Even with the Base connect I think it would be hard to pursued any player to turn down City. And even ignoring that them pursuing the same player will only serve to push his price up or at least keep it high.

The fact is CP won't want to sell ether Eze or Olise and they renewed both their contracts to make sure they are in the best possible negotiating position should any club come in for ether player. Steve Parish is still the chairman there and he is an extremely tough negotiator as we know from their stance on Zaha over the years. Yes now the finical landscape has changed quite significantly as you point out but not to the extent that they would sell one of their crown jewels who is a key part of their team for under market value especially if they are in a secure financial position. If ether player were to leave they would want to extract every single penny possible from the deal. Not only that if one leaves then the other would probably be completely off the market unless the release clause is triggered. Considering his importance for the club and the constancy of injuries of late I'm sure they would be more open to Olise leaving then Eze.

Even if hypothetically they would agree to selling Eze for 45 mil then you would suddenly get a number of teams interested which again would only serve to drive up the price. Yes not many teams have money but the ones that do will be interested at that price. Reality is the market for talented HG players will always be inflated as they are such a rare commodity and always in high demand amongst the top 6. Essentially if he leaves it will be for a price CP deem appropriate not for a cut down fee IMO.

Neto on the other hand could be a different situation, Wolves are supposedly not in such a healthy position with PSR and will likely need to sell him in order to stay healthy. Again tho due to the number of clubs interested his fee will still be large. As we know 60 mil is the reported fee. Obviously with his injuries it remains to be seen if any team offer that but ether way i would 100% expect Eze, if he leaves, to go for more then him even if Neto was fully fit. I mean if CP do end up looking for a price in the 70 mil range which is quite possible if they don't want to loose him and if City are interested then we may as well go for Kvara if we are happy to shop in that sort of price bracket.

Ether way I just don't see any reality in which we buy two player for over 60 mil and I also don't see Eze going for less then that.

Re AM, as i mentioned in my initial response I can certainly see an argument for another AM. As I said I don't think its a position we should be paying 60 mil on but if we sell Gio, loan Donley/Devine and we don't think Kulu is capable there then for sure its worth investing in but like I said for me it makes more sense to go for young prospect who is currently breaking through who has the potential to be top class player rather then one who is already at that level and likely costs twice as much.

I might be underrating him a bit but I rate Eze, just not as a player to go to such a high fee for.

Neto I believe is around the right ability level but his injury record is the potential stumbling point.

If we are going to break the bank for a player, Kvaratskhelia is the one to look at. If not, maybe we're best off going with Werner.

Russ1201 · Mar 11, 2024

dontcallme said:
Maybe they paid for it.

More than likely... no chance Daniel would do a free or mates rates

FITZ · Mar 11, 2024

Russ1201 said:
More than likely... no chance Daniel would do a free or mates rates

Or as DL calls it “legacy relationship rates”

brasil_spur · Mar 12, 2024

Ghost Hardware said:
Re Eze, he only extended his contract in November and there was a report in the Atheltic last week that it includes a release clause that is over 60 mil. How far above isn't public knowledge. Furthermore it was reported that in Jan it would take around 70 mil to get him. You mention PSR but CP are not one of the clubs that are in trouble due to this as far as im aware. They have been very good at keeping their spending in check so as not to cause themselves any serious problems in this regard. Yes if they want to make any significant moves they will likely need to sell one of their big two but they won't suddenly start selling for under market value especially for a player so in demand as Eze. The initial report in the Independent that caused this thread to be made reported that City is Eze's most likely destination come summer and they have been tracking him a long while with an eye to a summer move. Even with the Base connect I think it would be hard to pursued any player to turn down City. And even ignoring that them pursuing the same player will only serve to push his price up or at least keep it high.

The fact is CP won't want to sell ether Eze or Olise and they renewed both their contracts to make sure they are in the best possible negotiating position should any club come in for ether player. Steve Parish is still the chairman there and he is an extremely tough negotiator as we know from their stance on Zaha over the years. Yes now the finical landscape has changed quite significantly as you point out but not to the extent that they would sell one of their crown jewels who is a key part of their team for under market value especially if they are in a secure financial position. If ether player were to leave they would want to extract every single penny possible from the deal. Not only that if one leaves then the other would probably be completely off the market unless the release clause is triggered. Considering his importance for the club and the constancy of injuries of late I'm sure they would be more open to Olise leaving then Eze.

Even if hypothetically they would agree to selling Eze for 45 mil then you would suddenly get a number of teams interested which again would only serve to drive up the price. Yes not many teams have money but the ones that do will be interested at that price. Reality is the market for talented HG players will always be inflated as they are such a rare commodity and always in high demand amongst the top 6. Essentially if he leaves it will be for a price CP deem appropriate not for a cut down fee IMO.

Neto on the other hand could be a different situation, Wolves are supposedly not in such a healthy position with PSR and will likely need to sell him in order to stay healthy. Again tho due to the number of clubs interested his fee will still be large. As we know 60 mil is the reported fee. Obviously with his injuries it remains to be seen if any team offer that but ether way i would 100% expect Eze, if he leaves, to go for more then him even if Neto was fully fit. I mean if CP do end up looking for a price in the 70 mil range which is quite possible if they don't want to loose him and if City are interested then we may as well go for Kvara if we are happy to shop in that sort of price bracket.

Ether way I just don't see any reality in which we buy two player for over 60 mil and I also don't see Eze going for less then that.

Re AM, as i mentioned in my initial response I can certainly see an argument for another AM. As I said I don't think its a position we should be paying 60 mil on but if we sell Gio, loan Donley/Devine and we don't think Kulu is capable there then for sure its worth investing in but like I said for me it makes more sense to go for young prospect who is currently breaking through who has the potential to be top class player rather then one who is already at that level and likely costs twice as much.

I’m not sure anyone is paying over £60m for Eze, let alone close to £70m.

Of course Palace don’t have to sell, but it’s very likely that the player will push for a move this summer IMO and we have no idea what was included in the contract he signed in November but clearly if he was being linked with a move two months later it was likely agreed between him and Palace that the contract was signed in order to help them get a better price for him.

I agree that if City come in then it will be tough going to convince the player, however City rarely pay over the odds for a player and he’s not an obvious fit for them this summer.

With regards to other clubs coming in at £45m - the footballing world has changed, there are barely any clubs that can throw that kind of money at a player that’s not really a target for them until his price drops a bit.

Im not convinced we’ll get Eze in the summer, but I imagine we’ll be properly in for him up until the point the fee becomes too high or City land him.

daryl hannah · Mar 12, 2024

Can’t believe Jose passed on him.

Guntz · Mar 12, 2024

daryl hannah said:
Can’t believe Jose passed on him.

Looking at De Bruyne/Salah - Jose doesn't have the best talent ID, does he?

Ghost Hardware · Mar 12, 2024

brasil_spur said:
I’m not sure anyone is paying over £60m for Eze, let alone close to £70m.

Of course Palace don’t have to sell, but it’s very likely that the player will push for a move this summer IMO and we have no idea what was included in the contract he signed in November but clearly if he was being linked with a move two months later it was likely agreed between him and Palace that the contract was signed in order to help them get a better price for him.

I agree that if City come in then it will be tough going to convince the player, however City rarely pay over the odds for a player and he’s not an obvious fit for them this summer.

With regards to other clubs coming in at £45m - the footballing world has changed, there are barely any clubs that can throw that kind of money at a player that’s not really a target for them until his price drops a bit.

Im not convinced we’ll get Eze in the summer, but I imagine we’ll be properly in for him up until the point the fee becomes too high or City land him.

You’re right that the club will probably be interested, the fact he’s a HG Base client pretty much guarantees it. And because of Base we will probably be informed of the financials involved. But i don’t see CP being flexible when it comes to price. At all.

I think if Eze was really desperate to leave he wouldn’t have signed a new contract. He would have known that doing so would make moving more difficult. I’m sure he was given assurances that if a club offers a certain amount that CP are happy with then he would be allowed to leave and i'm sure that will be the case come summer but if they value his worth to the club at 70 mil then I don't see them dropping that valuation and I don't see Eze forcing an exit as he just signed a contract when he didn't need to. Really, considering the price that the likes of Mount and Rice went for I can completely see why CP would value him at 70 mil regardless of PSR. Unless CP get desperate, which I don't see why they would, I don't see that changing and ultimately they will much rather keep him then sell him.

As for City not paying that, I mean they were very close to paying 80 mil for Paquetá last summer until the gambling accusations came out. If they were willing to spend that on Paquetá then i don't see them bulking at 70 mil for Eze now. And as for how he fits in I think one has to keep into consideration what role Eze has been playing for CP this season. At times he has even been deployed in CM and his primary role has been as a central AM who regularly drops deep to pick up the ball. He's only started 4 or 5 games on the wing all season. Personally I could see him very much fitting in tactically the only question would be around his work rate on the defensive side which can sometimes be lacking and something i've seen him be criticised for.

As for us, I actually can potentially see us getting him, or at least having a decent chance to sign him but I think it will come down to if we are happy to pay the fee and what happens with CIty. In general I don't see us spending 70 mil on a player that far fetched an idea regardless what Ange said in a press conference. I think City will still be monitoring Paquetá who we know they also value highly and if the gambling concerns go away they may choose him over Eze. I don't see them getting both although you never know if they decide to sell Grealish and find a buyer which will be very hard given the contract he's on (think he's on 300k p/w). Ultimately I think it will come down to who City rate more, we know they are also known to highly value Eze and were recently quoted as being favourites but a lot can change between now and the end of the season. Given the reports my feeling is he goes to City if anywhere but if he doesn't then who knows but I don't see him going for a cut price. And that is my concern.

Like I said, nothing against Eze I just don't think we should be spending that sort of money on him given our requirements elsewhere. Really I wouldn't be spending more then 40 mil max, if that, on an AM all things considered and I think we could get a very very good young prospect for that amount or less even.

Ether way I fully expect his name to come up a lot leading up to and over summer.

$hoguN · Mar 12, 2024

I think he would be a better signing than Neto personally

What Lies Beneath · Mar 12, 2024

We have admired him for a while but we ain’t at the front of the queue for this right now. He would actually be perfect as he would address 2 areas of weakness for us

fishhhandaricecake · Mar 13, 2024

What Lies Beneath said:
We have admired him for a while but we ain’t at the front of the queue for this right now. He would actually be perfect as he would address 2 areas of weakness for us

Would he? He’s more of a n.o 10 from what I’ve seen or a LW so doesn’t really solve much at all.

Good player for sure but would prefer we spent the money on Williams for example.

Frozen_Waffles · Mar 13, 2024

fishhhandaricecake said:
Would he? He’s more of a n.o 10 from what I’ve seen or a LW so doesn’t really solve much at all.

Good player for sure but would prefer we spent the money on Williams for example.

I am not sure about that, in fact I think we need both. By that I mean a winger (whoever it may be) and Eze.

We are still lacking players who can open up a low block, creativity is the key. For me we have Maddison and maybe Kulusevski. GLC is almost always injured so I'm leaving him out of the discussion.

That's not enough, we need more guile and ALSO a winger who can beat a man.

We need 4 in my opinion, 2 full backs a winger and a AM. If I was to pick now it'd be Eze, Chiesa/Neto for the two most attacking positions.

That's where the summer budget would go if it were me.

Ghost Hardware · Mar 13, 2024

What Lies Beneath said:
We have admired him for a while but we ain’t at the front of the queue for this right now. He would actually be perfect as he would address 2 areas of weakness for us

Lines up with the reports saying City are favourites.

Hazelton · Mar 13, 2024

Is it just me who sees a lot of similarities between Eze and Jon Rowe? One would be a hell of a lot cheaper and would allow us to go after a big money winger.

Ghost Hardware · Mar 13, 2024

Hazelton said:
Is it just me who sees a lot of similarities between Eze and Jon Rowe? One would be a hell of a lot cheaper and would allow us to go after a big money winger.

He just got a serious hamstring injury that will put him out for a couple of months. Would need to see how he recovers but in general serious hamstring injuries make me nervous.

funkycoldmedina · Mar 13, 2024

Ghost Hardware said:
Lines up with the reports saying City are favourites.

I think as we look to add more established players to our squad we'll run up against City more. We've established a similar system with a manager who plays with a similar style, it makes sense that we'll be in for the same targets.

ardiles&villa · Mar 13, 2024

He will take a sizeable chunk in our budget which may be utilised better on wingers in my opinion.

I do like him as a player though and would love seeing him in our shirt

fishhhandaricecake · Mar 13, 2024

Frozen_Waffles said:
I am not sure about that, in fact I think we need both. By that I mean a winger (whoever it may be) and Eze.

We are still lacking players who can open up a low block, creativity is the key. For me we have Maddison and maybe Kulusevski. GLC is almost always injured so I'm leaving him out of the discussion.

That's not enough, we need more guile and ALSO a winger who can beat a man.

We need 4 in my opinion, 2 full backs a winger and a AM. If I was to pick now it'd be Eze, Chiesa/Neto for the two most attacking positions.

That's where the summer budget would go if it were me.

Certainly would give us brilliant options, suppose if we sold GLC there could be room for Eze if he was ok coming here knowing he’d be a squad rotation option

Montalbano · Mar 14, 2024

fishhhandaricecake said:
Certainly would give us brilliant options, suppose if we sold GLC there could be room for Eze if he was ok coming here knowing he’d be a squad rotation option

That’s not what we’d pitch to him + he would have as much or more opportunity to play here than any other big 6 club

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