Tottenham Physios/Medical Staff/ Athletic Improvements

spids · Jun 8, 2017

donny1013 said:
Poch is a big believer in player mechanics. I've mentioned on here before that Dele barely kicked a ball when he first joined and the focus was more on his physicality. Wanyama was also 'slimmed' down after joining, although still a beast, they wanted him to shift some weight up top to improve mobility. Most injuries last season came in game situations and were knocks rather than players pulling up, a lot of that is down the Poch's philosophies and medical staff/sports scientists.

Totally agree. Whilst we had a large number of injuries last season to key personnel, they were almost entirely 'impact' injuries rather than muscle strains. Ultimately we were just unlucky with injuries last season.

Tottenham_God · Jun 8, 2017

donny1013 said:
Poch is a big believer in player mechanics. I've mentioned on here before that Dele barely kicked a ball when he first joined and the focus was more on his physicality. Wanyama was also 'slimmed' down after joining, although still a beast, they wanted him to shift some weight up top to improve mobility. Most injuries last season came in game situations and were knocks rather than players pulling up, a lot of that is down the Poch's philosophies and medical staff/sports scientists.

I love Wanyama

EQP · Apr 28, 2019

I don't have the table/graph close at hand but we can thank the World Cup for a decent amount of injuries we're currently dealing with.

EQP · Mar 9, 2020

With Bergwijn confirmed to be injured for a undetermined period of time, I just though I'd re-up this thread to help answer any questions some posters might have. Will not lie though, these amount of injuries are shocking. No accusations, but I wonder if Poch changed his pre-season training and workload approach with some of the players.

spursfan77 · Mar 9, 2020

SlumDilla said:
With Bergwijn confirmed to be injured for a undetermined period of time, I just though I'd re-up this thread to help answer any questions some posters might have. Will not lie though, these amount of injuries are shocking. No accusations, but I wonder if Poch changed his pre-season training and workload approach with some of the players.

Lots of the injuries have been on pitch ones though. Probably through over playing but still there must be something we can do better.

yido_number1 · Mar 9, 2020

spursfan77 said:
Lots of the injuries have been on pitch ones though. Probably through over playing but still there must be something we can do better.

Unfortunately key injuries in the front line to Kane, Son and Lamela has meant Alli, Lucas and Bergwijn have all played more than they should have. If you play too much you are going to get injured. Mourinho was talking about players being close to the edge when he rested against Norwich. Unfortunately we lack the options to rest key players and it's killing us at the moment.

spids · Mar 9, 2020

SlumDilla said:
With Bergwijn confirmed to be injured for a undetermined period of time, I just though I'd re-up this thread to help answer any questions some posters might have. Will not lie though, these amount of injuries are shocking. No accusations, but I wonder if Poch changed his pre-season training and workload approach with some of the players.

Firstly, and obviously, Bergwijn was not with us for pre-season.

Of the other injuries, Son and Lloris were both freak impact injuries that would not have been prevented by any type of training or conditioning.

Additionally Sissoko damaged the medial collateral ligament in his right knee - again not the type of injury that conditioning avoids.

Soft tissue muscle injuries through wear and tear are the more avoidable injuries, and I would say that we have only had our fair share of these, especially as our dynamic / explosive players like Moura and Bergwijn have had to play so many games back to back recently.

One bug bear I have is that Kane has played far too many games in the last three years and needs to be used more sensibly when he is back. Poch indulged him when he should have been rested. Maybe he could miss the odd international friendly if he has a knock (incredibly unlikely seeing as he is England captain), sit out league cup games, or get subbed off after an hour when we are winning comfortably, or even sit out games against weaker teams the weekend before European ties. If he wants to win things with his club he does need to put his well being, and the interests of our club, ahead of meaningless England friendlies (as most of the Man U team did with their national teams in Sir Alex Ferguson's heyday).

13VanDerBale13 · Mar 9, 2020

It’s not as if this is a freak season either, was the same last season but in other areas

EQP · Mar 9, 2020

spids said:
Firstly, and obviously, Bergwijn was not with us for pre-season.

Of the other injuries, Son and Lloris were both freak impact injuries that would not have been prevented by any type of training or conditioning.

Additionally Sissoko damaged the medial collateral ligament in his right knee - again not the type of injury that conditioning avoids.

Soft tissue muscle injuries through wear and tear are the more avoidable injuries, and I would say that we have only had our fair share of these, especially as our dynamic / explosive players like Moura and Bergwijn have had to play so many games back to back recently.

One bug bear I have is that Kane has played far too many games in the last three years and needs to be used more sensibly when he is back. Poch indulged him when he should have been rested. Maybe he could miss the odd international friendly if he has a knock (incredibly unlikely seeing as he is England captain), sit out league cup games, or get subbed off after an hour when we are winning comfortably, or even sit out games against weaker teams the weekend before European ties. If he wants to win things with his club he does need to put his well being, and the interests of our club, ahead of meaningless England friendlies (as most of the Man U team did with their national teams in Sir Alex Ferguson's heyday).

True, Bergwijn was not with us for pre-season but his involvement in pretty much every game has been a result of us lacking options due to other players being injured. This increased workload, coupled with adapting to a new league and the positional demands Mou places on wingers ( to get forward and track back ) certainly have led Steven to end up the "redzone" of injury probability. Son's and Hugo's injuries were definitely edge cases as one was poor landing and other I think was kicked on the ground, IIRC. I like to speak to resiliency as the players receive challenges on the field that at any point could injure them but they always bounce back. I haven't felt as if the players have been as robust this season. Several factors could've impacted that and I'll be interested to do some digging in to see how the pre-season went.

EQP · Mar 9, 2020

13VanDerBale13 said:
It’s not as if this is a freak season either, was the same last season but in other areas

Having a hard-time remembering what other injuries we endured last season ( bar Kane, Lamela, Dier and Wanyama ). Will do some digging but if you could remind me, i'd appreciate that.

RichieS · Mar 9, 2020

SlumDilla said:
Having a hard-time remembering what other injuries we endured last season ( bar Kane, Lamela, Dier and Wanyama ). Will do some digging but if you could remind me, i'd appreciate that.

Dier was mostly illness rather than injury as well.

Did Bergwijn's injury occur in a tackle?

spids · Mar 9, 2020

SlumDilla said:
True, Bergwijn was not with us for pre-season but his involvement in pretty much every game has been a result of us lacking options due to other players being injured. This increased workload, coupled with adapting to a new league and the positional demands Mou places on wingers ( to get forward and track back ) certainly have led Steven to end up the "redzone" of injury probability. Son's and Hugo's injuries were definitely edge cases as one was poor landing and other I think was kicked on the ground, IIRC. I like to speak to resiliency as the players receive challenges on the field that at any point could injure them but they always bounce back. I haven't felt as if the players have been as robust this season. Several factors could've impacted that and I'll be interested to do some digging in to see how the pre-season went.

Ah. I thought you were questioning Poch's pre-season and inferring that the conditioning of the players was sub-standard.

13VanDerBale13 · Mar 9, 2020

SlumDilla said:
Having a hard-time remembering what other injuries we endured last season ( bar Kane, Lamela, Dier and Wanyama ). Will do some digging but if you could remind me, i'd appreciate that.

Off the top of my head I can remember Dele getting injured at Fulham & Winks returning for the CL final

Tottenham Hotspur, though, appear to have had more injuries than others this season and are currently playing without key men Dele Alli and Harry Kane as they attempt to remain in the Premier League’s top four, while all but Paulo Gazzaniga and Kyle Walker-Peters have now faced at least one game out.

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spids · Mar 9, 2020

SlumDilla said:
Having a hard-time remembering what other injuries we endured last season ( bar Kane, Lamela, Dier and Wanyama ). Will do some digging but if you could remind me, i'd appreciate that.

Dele did his hamstring in late Jan / early Feb I recall

Typical Spurs · Mar 9, 2020

yido_number1 said:
Unfortunately key injuries in the front line to Kane, Son and Lamela has meant Alli, Lucas and Bergwijn have all played more than they should have. If you play too much you are going to get injured. Mourinho was talking about players being close to the edge when he rested against Norwich. Unfortunately we lack the options to rest key players and it's killing us at the moment.

I get what you're saying. But he joined in January. In 4-5 weeks he's started 5 games and was subbed off in 3. Basically a game a week.

That should be easily manageable for a footballer. It's not like he's come from an injury lay off, he was playing every week in Holland.

joelstinton14 · Mar 9, 2020

Has Darren Anderton died and begun haunting the spurs training ground? These injuries are getting beyond ridiculous

EQP · Mar 9, 2020

Typical Spurs said:
I get what you're saying. But he joined in January. In 4-5 weeks he's started 5 games and was subbed off in 3. Basically a game a week.

That should be easily manageable for a footballer. It's not like he's come from an injury lay off, he was playing every week in Holland.

The timeline you've presented makes sense but it's always going to be how an individual adapts to a new environment and the overall workload that is being placed on him. Remember, we've had a shitty set of weeks were games have been scheduled every 3 days and add in travel, you have a nice recipe to hinder true recovery. Also, there is really no reason for Ndombele to be looking gassed 50 minutes into match, given he had a full pre-season, but here we are.

markiespurs · Mar 9, 2020

A lot of freak injuries this season, but you do have to wonder what effects Pochs famous double training sessions have had on the players.

EQP · Mar 9, 2020

spids said:
Ah. I thought you were questioning Poch's pre-season and inferring that the conditioning of the players was sub-standard.

Not at all. I don't think Poch is conniving enough to do something like that. But I wonder if he felt a change was necessary given the disappointment from the CL lose and went about another approach during the pre-season. Either way, this has been a testing season and I'm ready to see how Jose goes about pre-season later this year.

EQP · Mar 9, 2020

RichieS said:
Dier was mostly illness rather than injury as well.

Did Bergwijn's injury occur in a tackle?

Didn't Dier have a groin issue as well at that time? I'll double check. I didn't see how or when Bergwijn was injured so that injury update really threw me off.

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