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Ernest Nuamah

Ghost Hardware

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I doubt Ajax would be interested in buying him at £22 million. The PL taxis crazy and one the club doesn’t feel ready for. Can anyone really see us spending that on him or even Orban at that level out of the Belgian or Danish leagues? It just feels so out of character for us to do especially when that money could be put towards a first team player. We don’t do risky transfers anymore and I can’t blame the club that much when we have so many players we want to move on because of past mistakes. I’d be surprised if we sign both players, even one of him or Orban would be fairly out of the norm for us.
In an ideal world we would be signing both Orban and Nuamah and loan them straight out to a better league to get them playing week in week out. Reality is, considering our needs, that’s never going to happen and as it is it will be a BIG jump for both players. As good as they look, and they do look good, the jump in level will be massive for them, especially for Nuamah, and they both could well struggle at first. No matter how good they look even a move to Ligue 1 say would be a big step up let alone the PL.

Of course there is a chance they come in and just hit the ground running but the reality is they’re more likely to come in and have minimal impact on our upcoming season. This doesn’t mean I don’t want them, both look fantastic, but there is always a risk with this sort move and the players will likely need to time to adjust and develop. Expecting them to just slot straight in and immediately start contributing is extremely optimistic and somewhat unrealistic imo. Maybe they do, you never know, but that pressure should not be put on them.

Really these sort of moves should be in the Sarr/Udogie category and we should be looking to bring in more established players alongside them. Buying Sarr, Udogie and Gil was the most positive moves I’ve seen this club make in a long while. It’s just unfortunate we handled Gil so poorly by letting him rot on the bench for two half seasons in a row instead of just loaning him out for 2 full seasons.
 

Ron Burgundy

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In an ideal world we would be signing both Orban and Nuamah and loan them straight out to a better league to get them playing week in week out.
I think a perfectly good compromise (and I know I'm talking 'ideal world') could be:
- bring them both in
- assess
- they could get some (albeit limited) game time in certain situations: injury crisis, low pressure games already won, game needs some pace and enthusiasm
- after an initial 6 month assessment (where we would also be looking at the squad as a whole) we consider whether we (1) loan them out; or (2) keep for the squad

That kind of approach could be great, assuming they had genuine long term potential. Hard to judge IMO.

This is the profile of player we should be looking at though - quick, young, starting to make a name for themselves, high ceiling.

So at least the direction we're pointing in makes sense
 

chas vs dave

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If we want to get him, we'd need to move quickly.

I'd expect Ajax will be targeting him as a kudus replacement.
 

Ron Burgundy

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If we want to get him, we'd need to move quickly.

I'd expect Ajax will be targeting him as a kudus replacement.
Yup. Totally agree. If he's a direct replacement for Kudus, you would question why we wouldn't just go for Kudus, but seemingly we've passed on him
 

daveduvet

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In an ideal world we would be signing both Orban and Nuamah and loan them straight out to a better league to get them playing week in week out. Reality is, considering our needs, that’s never going to happen and as it is it will be a BIG jump for both players. As good as they look, and they do look good, the jump in level will be massive for them, especially for Nuamah, and they both could well struggle at first. No matter how good they look even a move to Ligue 1 say would be a big step up let alone the PL.

Of course there is a chance they come in and just hit the ground running but the reality is they’re more likely to come in and have minimal impact on our upcoming season. This doesn’t mean I don’t want them, both look fantastic, but there is always a risk with this sort move and the players will likely need to time to adjust and develop. Expecting them to just slot straight in and immediately start contributing is extremely optimistic and somewhat unrealistic imo. Maybe they do, you never know, but that pressure should not be put on them.

Really these sort of moves should be in the Sarr/Udogie category and we should be looking to bring in more established players alongside them. Buying Sarr, Udogie and Gil was the most positive moves I’ve seen this club make in a long while. It’s just unfortunate we handled Gil so poorly by letting him rot on the bench for two half seasons in a row instead of just loaning him out for 2 full seasons.
Mate… your posts are always helpful & informative; and well written. Thanks for the input on here.
 

Col_M

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I posted this in the Kudus thread Monday

I was thinking earlier in this thread, Wow, I've heard of him. Now you've reminded me that I knew about him 1 day before because I read your post above. I'm never gonna make it as a scout.
 

Trix

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Securing him and Orban would make me very happy and very excited about our future.

This is what quality scouting looks like!
Steady on here, need to be careful or we'll be lucky to be able to field a 5 a side team come the ACN.
 

Ghost Hardware

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I think a perfectly good compromise (and I know I'm talking 'ideal world') could be:
- bring them both in
- assess
- they could get some (albeit limited) game time in certain situations: injury crisis, low pressure games already won, game needs some pace and enthusiasm
- after an initial 6 month assessment (where we would also be looking at the squad as a whole) we consider whether we (1) loan them out; or (2) keep for the squad

That kind of approach could be great, assuming they had genuine long term potential. Hard to judge IMO.

This is the profile of player we should be looking at though - quick, young, starting to make a name for themselves, high ceiling.

So at least the direction we're pointing in makes sense
It’s certainly the profile of player we should be looking at 100%. It’s crazy why we haven’t been doing this before.


My only point is, as mentioned above, is it should be in a different category of recruiting. Ie you have your long term buys that need time to develop and then you have your first team buys that are expected to straight away step into the first team squad or be fighting for a spot. If we want to be a successful team you have to be doing both.

That also doesn’t mean young talent can’t straight away be fighting for a spot but I think one has to take in to consideration the market they are coming from.

Re the plan you laid out above, that sort of sounds like what we plan to do with Veliz. Ange said wr shouldn’t expect to see much at all of him until halfway through the season after he’s had time to adapt and adjust. At that point there’s probably a good chance he gets a loan.

What the club really needs to do is get better at loaning players to clubs that will actually benefit the individual. Devine for example is 19 and needs a really good loan if he’s not going to get significant minutes here. It’s imperative at this stage of his development he gets regular minutes.
 

Flashp

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Even though he's been seriously linked with PSG this summer, he's been the absolute worst player on the pitch in Nordsjællands last 3 games. He was hooked at half-time yesterday in their Conference League qualifier, after a squabble with teammates over who should take a penalty awarded near the end of the 1st half, even though everybody knows their designated taker is not him.

I'm afraid his mentality is not something you'd want in your squad.
 

Ghost Hardware

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If we want to get him, we'd need to move quickly.

I'd expect Ajax will be targeting him as a kudus replacement.
Ajax have been targeting for months fyi. Already talked to his camp a few times supposedly. It was his most likely destination pre window opening. Pretty good guess that’s why they are happy for Kudu to go. No idea what happens now tho as bigger clubs are interested.
 

smithym

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Am I the only person who's watched all these videos and feels nothing? He looks like a fairly decent Norwegian league player but I don't see anything that suggests he'll make it against the full backs in this league.

So many hard ons in this thread and I can't help but thing it's because you've all signed him on Champ Man or whatever it's called nowadays.
 

Dunc2610

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Ajax have been targeting for months fyi. Already talked to his camp a few times supposedly. It was his most likely destination pre window opening. Pretty good guess that’s why they are happy for Kudu to go. No idea what happens now tho as bigger clubs are interested.
Spurs bigger than Ajax? Currently?
 

amathews3416

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Am I the only person who's watched all these videos and feels nothing? He looks like a fairly decent Norwegian league player but I don't see anything that suggests he'll make it against the full backs in this league.

So many hard ons in this thread and I can't help but thing it's because you've all signed him on Champ Man or whatever it's called nowadays.
Wrong, he actually is not very good on Football Manager 23. I am sure he will be a big time wonder kid in 24 though.
 

Ghost Hardware

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Spurs bigger than Ajax? Currently?
Currently Ajax last season sacked their manager midway through the season and were a complete mess. Their new manager was the youth team coach and isn’t completely convincing and they have sold a number of their best players. Last season was considered one of their worst seasons in a while and most fans are really disappointed with the current state of the club. The fact that Kudu, one of their best young talents, would rather play for West Ham then stay at Ajax will tell you something about where they are and where we are in the pecking order.
 

Dunc2610

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If you are a player looking to move of course we are. As are the majority of the premier league purely because of the financial numbers.
I was talking from a playing the game and winning things perspective, especially as younger player being developed. I'd say Ajax are way ahead of us.
 
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