Harry Kane

spursfan77 · Jun 28, 2023

SSN did a really good (yeah I know) summary of the current situation. They stressed it was Sky Germany where these reports were coming from and they didn’t believe there was a bid. I got the sense from the reporter (McAdam) that he was very sceptical of it happening and that we really don’t want to lose him this window. That it’s more than likely we will try and keep him.

Tarricko · Jun 28, 2023

jbstarr14 said:
‘Childhood Sheringham memories’…?

We'll, it was a while ago lol. I'm pushing 40 now

muppetman · Jun 28, 2023

If Rice is worth £105M then how much would it take for Levy to even entertain an offer.

Still think that the most likely option is he stays until next season and then has a serious think about whether to recommit or move on.

shoggy33 · Jun 28, 2023

brasil_spur said:
We'd need £200m+ to replace him properly. Because his direct replacement (i.e. a ST with 30+ goals per season output that can play in the PL) would cost north of £100m. At that point you're only replacing his goal output and not some his other build up play and you lose the connection he has with Sonny, which IMO makes Sonny fairly redundant for us.

So to ensure we replace him with sufficient goals and creativity in the team I think we'd need to sign:

New £100m+ ST AND New £80-100m LW.

Even then you're betting on both the players coming up being a success, which is unlikely.

Personally, given the transition year we're facing, I can't see why keeping Kane isn't he best option, even if it means losing him on a free. He will be playing his socks off to maximise his free move and we could end up getting one of his best ever seasons from him, which allows the new players and staff to bed in and gives us really only one major challenge for next summer - finding his replacement.

I understand your point, it won't be easy when he goes, but actually you don't need a 30+ goal striker in order to do well. It would help, but then how many of the 7 teams who finished above had one? Sure you need someone putting the ball in the net but it doesn't neccessarily need to be a world class £100m striker. We basically had Kane and and wildly off form Son for a goal threat last season, because we had no other plan in attack other than give them the ball in attacking areas. We need to develop the team, and develop a system that doesn't rely on one player.

hughy · Jun 28, 2023

muppetman said:
If Rice is worth £105M then how much would it take for Levy to even entertain an offer.

Still think that the most likely option is he stays until next season and then has a serious think about whether to recommit or move on.

Not sure Rice is worth £105m, but Arsenal are potentially buying a vital cog in their team who is practically never injured and could set them up for the next 10 years, so you can see why they're putting the money down.

I think it's very difficult to compare the prices of the two players.

muppetman · Jun 28, 2023

hughy said:
Not sure Rice is worth £105m, but Arsenal are potentially buying a vital cog in their team who is practically never injured and could set them up for the next 10 years, so you can see why they're putting the money down.

I think it's very difficult to compare the prices of the two players.

Kane is a close as you can get to guaranteed goals and I just think it would take a monumental amount of cash to even get Levy to discuss it.

I think Arsenal are overpaying for Rice and think he's maybe a £50M type of price but they have now set a benchmark for what quality can cost.

mil1lion · Jun 28, 2023

Arsenal looking to spend 105m and we have fans worried we're spending Kane money by spending about 60m. We should be spending 100m easy every window without sales.

jurgen · Jun 28, 2023

mil1lion said:
Arsenal looking to spend 105m and we have fans worried we're spending Kane money by spending about 60m. We should be spending 100m easy every window without sales.

Of course we should, but we know what history suggests.

Fingers crossed Bayern's interest might be mainly reported to lever a big fat final contract out of us...

jbstarr14 · Jun 28, 2023

Tarricko said:
We'll, it was a while ago lol. I'm pushing 40 now

My ‘childhood memories’ are of Steve Perryman ffs

mil1lion · Jun 28, 2023

jurgen said:
Of course we should, but we know what history suggests.

Fingers crossed Bayern's interest might be mainly reported to lever a big fat final contract out of us...

I don't know, we spent similar last summer to what we're doing this one

Japhet · Jun 28, 2023

mil1lion said:
Arsenal looking to spend 105m and we have fans worried we're spending Kane money by spending about 60m. We should be spending 100m easy every window without sales.

With our squad looking much better balanced, we could potentially let Kane run his contract out and still have a lump of cash (your 100m) to spend when he does. Alternatively, he enjoys Ange's style of football and signs up for a bit more of it.

BENNO · Jun 28, 2023

shoggy33 said:
I understand your point, it won't be easy when he goes, but actually you don't need a 30+ goal striker in order to do well. It would help, but then how many of the 7 teams who finished above had one? Sure you need someone putting the ball in the net but it doesn't neccessarily need to be a world class £100m striker. We basically had Kane and and wildly off form Son for a goal threat last season, because we had no other plan in attack other than give them the ball in attacking areas. We need to develop the team, and develop a system that doesn't rely on one player.

Absolutely agree, i was just writing a response to say as much but you saved me the effort ! I've seen lots of top players leave our great club over the years and yes you miss them and you never really replace them because the best are unique. However you adapt and cope, and the easiest way of improving our league position from last season is actually not by scoring more, it's by conceding less !

Son was a 1 in 3 scorer at Leverkusen and has similar stats for Korea, so not hard to think he'll hit 10+ with our without Kane. The Deki of 2022 would hit 8-10 a season. Factor in a different system that'll finally see our midfielders chip in with decent tallies (Maddison clearly capable of hitting 10 a season, a fully fit Bentancour as an 8 probably similar imo) and we'll still score plenty, just not relying on one man to do it.
Also, without Kane you could finally entice a decent youngish striker to join as the main man, rather than having to sell the idea of being Kanes understudy to 2nd raters.

*Note. I definitely do not want him to leave, but i don't want him to only stay 1 more season either, so i'd rather part company now , for decent money and for a non PL team.

Bosher · Jun 28, 2023

I just can't see the Bayern thing appealing to him, unless he has assurances from Citeh that when Haaland inevitably goes to Madrid, he is in line to replace him, to come back to England to get the EPL record.

We'll know for sure if he turns up in the press swanning about in hot pink shorts a la Bale in 2013.

robotsonic · Jun 28, 2023

Bosher said:
I just can't see the Bayern thing appealing to him, unless he has assurances from Citeh that when Haaland inevitably goes to Madrid, he is in line to replace him, to come back to England to get the EPL record.

We'll know for sure if he turns up in the press swanning about in hot pink shorts a la Bale in 2013.

I doubt he deals in gentlemen's agreements anymore, in all honesty, never mind with the club that left him hanging once already in City

LSUY · Jun 28, 2023

panoma said:
I would be surprised if Harry had the slightest of interest in going to Bayern.

He has a (great) chance at making PL history. Like proper history book stuff. The kind of history we'd tell our grandkids about in 30 years.

There's just no way he swap that for a german trophy or two. He either signs a new deal with us or go on a free next year to ManU or City (if Haaland leaves for Real) imo.

Kane's already done the proper history book stuff by surpassing Greaves and Rooney. Club and country top scorer are really the only two records fans care about. The only way the all-time PL top scorer is proper history book stuff is if you decide football pre-1992 doesn't count and Kane ain't surpassing the 357 scored by Greaves.

Also, a German trophy or two possibly comes with a Champions League winners medal or two.

EastUpperDK82 · Jun 28, 2023

Everything depends on Tottenham.
New article from Kicker (30 min. ago)

Is Kane Coming? Optimism at Bayern.

The poker for Bayern's dream striker Harry Kane is picking up speed. The kicker knows the background and knows why those responsible are confident of getting the star striker. There are also positive signals from Min-Jae Kim, as well as from Kyle Walker.

Does he want to pimp his untitled career in Munich?

Harry Kane is the declared goal striker of the German record champions. Since Tuesday, the whole football world has known that the people of Munich are serious about their advertising when they were turned down with an initial offer of 70 million euros plus bonuses.

That can be interpreted as a first approach, because the signals from the 29-year-old star striker are clear. Kane can very well imagine a move to Bayern, these two sides agree. Kane values FCB as a top club and sees Munich as an opportunity to finally fill his bare title record.

Does Kane want to go to Bayern? "There will be signals in the background" and tough negotiations with Spurs boss Levy.

According to kicker information, Bayern are confident of getting the change through, even if it could take a while. Tottenham CEO Daniel Levy is considered the toughest negotiating partner in the Premier League. It remains to be seen how much his no to Kane's release is worth, otherwise the striker will be out of the game on a free transfer in 2024.

Bayern, on the other hand, would be able to pay a fee of 100 million euros for the first time in their history thanks to their prudent management. Is that enough for Levy and Tottenham? At Bayern, it is expected that some smoke candles will be lit first, also via English media. However, Levy is not the main shareholder of Hotspur, the people of Munich want to check the willingness of the other shareholders if necessary. Finally, it remains to be seen whether the north London club would actually refuse Kane's move.

Kommt Kane? Optimismus beim FC Bayern

Der Poker um Bayerns Wunschstürmer Harry Kane nimmt Fahrt auf. Der kicker kennt die Hintergründe und weiß, warum die Verantwortlichen zuversichtlich sind, den Starstürmer zu bekommen. Auch bei Min-Jae Kim gibt es positive Signale, ebenso bei Kyle Walker.

www.kicker.de

SamR · Jun 28, 2023

BENNO said:
Absolutely agree, i was just writing a response to say as much but you saved me the effort ! I've seen lots of top players leave our great club over the years and yes you miss them and you never really replace them because the best are unique. However you adapt and cope, and the easiest way of improving our league position from last season is actually not by scoring more, it's by conceding less !

Son was a 1 in 3 scorer at Leverkusen and has similar stats for Korea, so not hard to think he'll hit 10+ with our without Kane. The Deki of 2022 would hit 8-10 a season. Factor in a different system that'll finally see our midfielders chip in with decent tallies (Maddison clearly capable of hitting 10 a season, a fully fit Bentancour as an 8 probably similar imo) and we'll still score plenty, just not relying on one man to do it.
Also, without Kane you could finally entice a decent youngish striker to join as the main man, rather than having to sell the idea of being Kanes understudy to 2nd raters.

*Note. I definitely do not want him to leave, but i don't want him to only stay 1 more season either, so i'd rather part company now , for decent money and for a non PL team.

You raise some reasonable points but I just don’t see how letting go our world class player helps us. His monetary value is redundant vs what he brings to the club. We would survive of course,
but there is more risk attached to losing him.

We’ve fallen away because other players & management have failed us, not because we rely on Kane.

What we need is other players contributing more, on top of Kane hitting his 30+ goals to truly compete for trophies now.

Son, Deki, Maddison etc could all score 10+ a season, but I guarantee their chances of doing so is improved with Kane in the team with them.

To emphasise the point, City didn’t need Haaland as so many other players chipped in goals, but signing him took them over the line to domination.

Every great team needs a stand out goal scorer as goals win games. Conceding less helps massively (as you pointed out) but winning needs goals and Kane is the best of the best.

Trix · Jun 28, 2023

EastUpperDK82 said:
Everything depends on Tottenham.
New article from Kicker (30 min. ago)

Is Kane Coming? Optimism at Bayern.

The poker for Bayern's dream striker Harry Kane is picking up speed. The kicker knows the background and knows why those responsible are confident of getting the star striker. There are also positive signals from Min-Jae Kim, as well as from Kyle Walker.

Does he want to pimp his untitled career in Munich?

Harry Kane is the declared goal striker of the German record champions. Since Tuesday, the whole football world has known that the people of Munich are serious about their advertising when they were turned down with an initial offer of 70 million euros plus bonuses.

That can be interpreted as a first approach, because the signals from the 29-year-old star striker are clear. Kane can very well imagine a move to Bayern, these two sides agree. Kane values FCB as a top club and sees Munich as an opportunity to finally fill his bare title record.

Does Kane want to go to Bayern? "There will be signals in the background" and tough negotiations with Spurs boss Levy.

According to kicker information, Bayern are confident of getting the change through, even if it could take a while. Tottenham CEO Daniel Levy is considered the toughest negotiating partner in the Premier League. It remains to be seen how much his no to Kane's release is worth, otherwise the striker will be out of the game on a free transfer in 2024.

Bayern, on the other hand, would be able to pay a fee of 100 million euros for the first time in their history thanks to their prudent management. Is that enough for Levy and Tottenham? At Bayern, it is expected that some smoke candles will be lit first, also via English media. However, Levy is not the main shareholder of Hotspur, the people of Munich want to check the willingness of the other shareholders if necessary. Finally, it remains to be seen whether the north London club would actually refuse Kane's move.

Kommt Kane? Optimismus beim FC Bayern

Der Poker um Bayerns Wunschstürmer Harry Kane nimmt Fahrt auf. Der kicker kennt die Hintergründe und weiß, warum die Verantwortlichen zuversichtlich sind, den Starstürmer zu bekommen. Auch bei Min-Jae Kim gibt es positive Signale, ebenso bei Kyle Walker.

www.kicker.de

Ha ha, they really aren't used to not getting their own way are they.

EastUpperDK82 · Jun 28, 2023

Trix said:
Ha ha, they really aren't used to not getting their own way are they.

Nope... it's FC Hollywood for a reason... those old grumpy Bayern-bosses running the show

C1w8 · Jun 28, 2023

LSUY said:
Kane's already done the proper history book stuff by surpassing Greaves and Rooney. Club and country top scorer are really the only two records fans care about. The only way the all-time PL top scorer is proper history book stuff is if you decide football pre-1992 doesn't count and Kane ain't surpassing the 357 scored by Greaves.

Also, a German trophy or two possibly comes with a Champions League winners medal or two.

This "premier league" record stuff is a load of bs. In 30 years time when theres whatever version of the european (or saudi!) super league, nobodys going to care about premier league records.

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