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yido_number1

yido_number1

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If he is wise he'll stay up in Celtic winning the league and make a move to turkey in a few years for the money.

If he comes to us it will be a grave yard move for him
 
yido_number1

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arunspurs said:
Reading some of the reactions here to this link within this thread bizarre and largely uninformed.

CCV cannot handle big PL strikers and isnt good enough...

Rewind, 3 yrs back... CCV on loan helped Bournemouth with playoff push. In playoff semis, CCV absolutely bossed Ivan Toney in 1-0 first leg and got rave reviews.

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2nd leg, Bournemouth were leading tie 2-0, only for a bad penalty call and CCV partner CB making a suicidial red card tackle as a last defender within 30min...CCV again battled through the game but in end lost the tie. In both games, he kept Toney in his pocket overall.

In his 2019/20 season, he was pulled out in Jan and sent to Luton Town on loan who were bottom of championship.
Luton Town before CCV: 0.83 points/game 2.17 goals allowed/game 24th place-6 pts below safety
Luton Town during CCV: 1.59 pts/game 1.12 goals allowed/game 20th place-2 pts above safety

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This Wyscout data of 2019/20 season will see a certain CCV having far better aerial & ground duels rate than other our signing Rodon & a certain 50m PL buy Ben White.

So, when I see , CCV levels is just Celtic , he is not good enough, thats nonsense.

CCV vs Tanganga, CCV never got a PL chance while Tangaga has had 50 Tottenham games to his name.

IMO, CCV is levels & levels above Tanganga or Rodon. He is better than Sanchez & Dier as a organising CB.
His ball playing ability is superb.

If someones going to say, CCV cannot improve our current squad, they better come with some evidence.

Whereever CCV been, if he is trusted and given opportunity he has repaid the faith whether its rescuing Luton or
helping Bournemouth with playoff push or Celtic.

I doubt CCV will want to leave Celtic anyway and come to us....But if he does, I wouldnt say no to him.
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If we were in the championship he'd be a great signing which is about his level. There's a reason he never got near our team when we were top 4 and that's because he's not at this level
 
Tucker

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arunspurs said:
Reading some of the reactions here to this link within this thread bizarre and largely uninformed.

CCV cannot handle big PL strikers and isnt good enough...

Rewind, 3 yrs back... CCV on loan helped Bournemouth with playoff push. In playoff semis, CCV absolutely bossed Ivan Toney in 1-0 first leg and got rave reviews.

View attachment 127697

2nd leg, Bournemouth were leading tie 2-0, only for a bad penalty call and CCV partner CB making a suicidial red card tackle as a last defender within 30min...CCV again battled through the game but in end lost the tie. In both games, he kept Toney in his pocket overall.

In his 2019/20 season, he was pulled out in Jan and sent to Luton Town on loan who were bottom of championship.
Luton Town before CCV: 0.83 points/game 2.17 goals allowed/game 24th place-6 pts below safety
Luton Town during CCV: 1.59 pts/game 1.12 goals allowed/game 20th place-2 pts above safety

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View attachment 127698

This Wyscout data of 2019/20 season will see a certain CCV having far better aerial & ground duels rate than other our signing Rodon & a certain 50m PL buy Ben White.

So, when I see , CCV levels is just Celtic , he is not good enough, thats nonsense.

CCV vs Tanganga, CCV never got a PL chance while Tangaga has had 50 Tottenham games to his name.

IMO, CCV is levels & levels above Tanganga or Rodon. He is better than Sanchez & Dier as a organising CB.
His ball playing ability is superb.

If someones going to say, CCV cannot improve our current squad, they better come with some evidence.

Whereever CCV been, if he is trusted and given opportunity he has repaid the faith whether its rescuing Luton or
helping Bournemouth with playoff push or Celtic.

I doubt CCV will want to leave Celtic anyway and come to us....But if he does, I wouldnt say no to him.
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Guarantee that most of the people saying he’s not good enough haven’t watched a single minute of him playing since he went to Celtic.

I know I haven’t. I have no idea if he’s good enough or not. But I bet Ange Postecoglou has a pretty good idea about it.
 
arunspurs

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yido_number1 said:
If we were in the championship he'd be a great signing which is about his level. There's a reason he never got near our team when we were top 4 and that's because he's not at this level
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There's a reason , thats because we had a settled CB pairing of Alderwierld & Jan. And at that time he was under 21. There's also a reason, why Poch kept on giving him new contracts, thats because people could see that he is a good player.

On your logic of championship - he has proved he is beyond championship levels. Defenders who had numbers below him, like Ben White have got multimillion fees...only difference between the two is, Leeds got through playoff but Bournemouth failed in that season.

I would probably agree with you had he had a shot in PL and failed. For now, his record states, whichever club he is been to, when given a chance has played well & improved the club positioning.

Having Tanganga, Rodon, Sanchez , Dier in squad and discrediting CCV at the same time ?
 
McFlash

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Tucker said:
Guarantee that most of the people saying he’s not good enough haven’t watched a single minute of him playing since he went to Celtic.

I know I haven’t. I have no idea if he’s good enough or not. But I bet Ange Postecoglou has a pretty good idea about it.
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Yup and for as many people that are now saying he's shite, there were just as many pissed off that we didn't give him more of a chance back in the day.
And plenty pissed off that we let him go.

Now I, like you, haven't seen a single minute of him at Celtic but by all accounts he's done pretty well.
Yes, I know "Scotland blah, blah, blah" but Ange might know more than us.

Not to mention that this is probably just a lazy link and we really shouldn't be getting worked up by every link this early in the window.
 
UncleBuck

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aliyid said:
Find it amazing that so many people instantly write him off based on his history in our youth setup.

From memory he was highly regarded as a prospect but unable to break into the first team due to Jan & Toby being nailed on starters.

From what I hear he’s developed into a handy defender and improved a lot with the extra game time. I’d rather him than taking a punt on Maguire or Lenglet
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All joking aside sir I’d rather the club took a punt on yourself rather than Maguire😉
 
smallsnc

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Austin Powers said:
Pretty sure I read he has a serious knee injury so won't be going anywhere this summer anyway
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Based on a few articles, it sounds like he played is last few games including against Rangers in pain but was managing to put in performances on the field before they shut him down and he had surgery. Definitely not anything like a major ligament tear or he would not have been playing.

Does not mean we should get him as I have not watched enough of his play the last couple of years to make a judgement on that.
 
Bluto Blutarsky

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Tucker said:
Guarantee that most of the people saying he’s not good enough haven’t watched a single minute of him playing since he went to Celtic.

I know I haven’t. I have no idea if he’s good enough or not. But I bet Ange Postecoglou has a pretty good idea about it.
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I agree about the first part, but disagree with the second - we have no idea if Postecoglou knows the kind of players it takes to be competitive in the PL. That is the challenge for any manager new to the league.

Having said that, I don’t think we will be getting any players from Celtic - even if Ange wants them.
 
Lancaster Spur

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I wouldn't be against us getting CCV back, I think we can all agree that he isn't the most talented CB but he does tick a lot of boxes to the point where it would make sense from a short term fix point of view. If we could get him on a decent fee. He seems to be one of those players who needs playing time to really get into their stride and has benefitted massively from that at Celtic.

He knows the club and League so won't take much, if any time to settle.

He is Homegrown, replacing either Dier or Sanchez who aren't.

Most importantly, he knows Ange's system and methods. He would be able to lead that aspect with the squad.
 
yido_number1

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arunspurs said:
There's a reason , thats because we had a settled CB pairing of Alderwierld & Jan. And at that time he was under 21. There's also a reason, why Poch kept on giving him new contracts, thats because people could see that he is a good player.

On your logic of championship - he has proved he is beyond championship levels. Defenders who had numbers below him, like Ben White have got multimillion fees...only difference between the two is, Leeds got through playoff but Bournemouth failed in that season.

I would probably agree with you had he had a shot in PL and failed. For now, his record states, whichever club he is been to, when given a chance has played well & improved the club positioning.

Having Tanganga, Rodon, Sanchez , Dier in squad and discrediting CCV at the same time ?
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Having the players you mentioned is a separate point and the reason we're one a few teams to concede and score 60 goals a year.

If ccv was that great he'd have been on loan in the PREM or signed in the PREM but he wasn't. Players find their level and I think he found his.
 
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yido_number1 said:
If we were in the championship he'd be a great signing which is about his level. There's a reason he never got near our team when we were top 4 and that's because he's not at this level
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he was also a kid at the time and we had two outstanding centre backs playing - he went out on loan and has progressed as a player continually - we certainly are much less favourable situation now
 
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yido_number1 said:
Having the players you mentioned is a separate point and the reason we're one a few teams to concede and score 60 goals a year.

If ccv was that great he'd have been on loan in the PREM or signed in the PREM but he wasn't. Players find their level and I think he found his.
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Or, he needed time.

There isn't a specific yardstick as to when a player is ready to step up.

The response above was wheeled out about kane after a few loans to championship clubs.
 
rabbikeane

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Thoughts go back to how Neil Ruddock left the club and then returned after a few years when he reached his mid 20s.

To be honest, I think both him and Juan Foyth have been very unlucky with their Spurs careers. Having managers that stick to players with name and status, never prepared to put faith in them. CCV was mostly out on loan, came back for summer pre season - was always the best performing player paired with Sanchez etc. Then no chance given when season kicked off. 5 games, no league games, over 6 years. At Celtic they compare him with van Dijk's performances for them. I wouldn't mind getting him back, and sending Tanganga or Rodon there in a deal.
 
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