The last two decades are probably our most successful period in modern history- certainly the last 15 or so. You must go back forty years or more- before many posters here were born- to find a more successful period of Spurs history. Even then it's not like we were this ruthless title-winning machine.
Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou
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The last two decades are probably our most successful period in modern history- certainly the last 15 or so. You must go back forty years or more- before many posters here were born- to find a more successful period of Spurs history. Even then it's not like we were this ruthless title-winning machine.
only1waddle
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He doesn't have a "Spursy" mindset though, if anything the complete opposite, he's a positive character that could work very well with Postecoglou.
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The same Mason that had an awful injury record as a youth which he had to have the mentality to overcome to work hard to make his debut at 23?
The same Mason that stood up to the senior players to kick start the Poch reign?
Mason is focused, driven and has had to overcome many personal challenges -including almost losing his life - to get where he is now. He's the furthest thing from "Spursy" (fuck that term).
I think it's underestimated how positive it is that he is staying on. He spent the last two months correctly outlining where the club has gone wrong in the past few years. He's now in a position to provide that feedback to the manager who has the power to change the culture and by being apart of the staff will be able to help effect change.
I think some of the comments about Mason and "Spursy" is precisely why we need a unifying figure like Postecoglou leading us now—someone who can get us feeling good about the club again.
We have endured years of managers who gave the impression that they thought they were too good for the club, that they were doing us a favour by being here, and that the club was toxic and hopeless.
No wonder we are getting some fans slagging off club men like Lloris and Mason. Guys we should be celebrating, not slagging off.
Hopefully, Postecoglou represents a break from the last four years. The period since Pochettino was sacked has probably been the most prolonged period of misery as Spurs fan since ENIC bought the club.
jimmy-jojo
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I’ve been supporting Spurs since 1981. So in the 20 years up to 2001 we won 7 trophies (including Charity Shield)
How standards have fallen that 1 trophy in the subsequent 20 years is seen as the ‘most successful period ‘ in our modern history.
KingKay
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I can see where you're coming from, but the footballing landscape has changed immeasurably in the last 20 years. Difficult to compare.
dontcallme
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The last 2 decades have been better than the previous decade, notably for league position. That's it.
Albertbarich
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What does that even mean? Spursy is just a thing teenage Arsenal fans have kept saying and now our own fanbase uses as a stick to beat ourselves with.
If you really want to change the culture and I agree were not serious about challenging at the top then we need a new owner but that isn't happening so blaming Ryan who everyone speaks about in glowing terms as a coach, a football brain and as a person is to be quite honest, nonsense. As we have seen plenty of people who we didn't rate have left to win stuff and if he went and joined Pochettino for example I'm sure he would too.
Ok, setting aside the Charity Shields, which we were "joint" winners of- we won 5 trophies between 81 and 2001. However, the majority of those trophies - 3 of the 5- were won between 81 and 84.
So there was a period of 3 or 4 years, nearly 40 years ago when we won most of those trophies. Between 85 and 2001, we won an FA Cup and League Cup.
So arguably, our standards have fallen a little when it comes to winning trophies, but not very much as they weren't very high to begin with.
You’re right. I watched Mason in a reserve game at Leyton Orient as a very young player coming back from yet another bad injury. Not only did he go in to each tackle like his life depended on it, dominating some big seasoned pros, but he was directing play in a team containing Gareth Bale and some other first teamers of that era. He’s made of the right stuff, is intelligent and must have absolutely massive bollocks. Don’t underestimate the person is my message
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You have to judge each season as it comes. I think Jol had success because he changed the character of the team. We actually showed fight and dug out wins where in the past we struggled. Getting into Europe after lingering mid table was success. Redknapp dug us out of a hole and got us to the CC final and then into top 4 so was a success. We dropped outside of top 4 and then changed manager. Poch got us more consistent top 4 finishes and started to progress more in the cups. At the end we just scraped into 4th but got to the CL final. Overall a success. I think with each manager they had success for a while and then started to dip. We then changed manager.
Honestly I think given our spending we have got as far as we're likely to go. Sure a title would be great but it's not like we didn't lose to better teams in each final. We lost to Utd in Harry's first season, we lost to an incredible Liverpool in the CL final and lost to City in the CC final. We were underdogs in each of the finals. The trouble is when a manager does great it changes the expectation level.
Maybe there was a time under Poch we could have pushed on but we didn't. That's down to Levy though and not the managers. Given the resources they each had I don't see anything other than success with them. It's more that Levy is happy with that level of success so doesn't push for more. After a while the manager starts to struggle because we never refresh enough of the players. We then change the manager and hope to get the magic mix of manager with our players again. I think even Conte had success last season with 4th it's just his level of success is higher than ours. So it's a success for us but not for him personally. That's why he imploded.
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BMJ did have the advantage of knowing the squad and building a relationship with them over a few months before he was put in the hot seat.
Christ I remember how excited I was seeing Arnsesen, Jol and Santini appointed .. halcyon days. Anway I digress
I would say the last two decades have been notably better for the league position and the quality of football we have played.
I think most of the football we played under Jol, Redknapp and Pochettino surpassed (in terms of quality as well as results) most of the football we played during the 90s. For me that matters because I like football to be entertaining. It's an important metric for me regarding how well things are going.
Also we can say league position, "that's it". But league position means quite a lot. It indicates how consistent a team is, how often they win, lose and draw matches, whether they qualify for Europe or are threatened by relegation and so on.
I would be very pleased if we got back to basics under Postecoglou, or doing what made us successful under ENIC in the first place. It feels like we have lost our identity during the last few years, and there has been a rush among some fans (not saying this is you) to rubbish the success we had under some previous coaches.
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dontcallme
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Sure, but still you're only saying it's been better than an excessively poor preceding decade for us.
Yeah. This is true. But as I mentioned above, we need to go back to the first half of the 80s to find anything much better in terms of winning trophies. And that's forty years.
For me, It starts losing meaning as precedence when you are going back that long because so much has changed in forty years. I mean yeah we won more trophies then but so did Nottingham Forest and Leeds.
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Just so you are all aware this entire page has contained zero posts with any reference to Ange.
Not anymore.
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Just so you are all aware this entire page has had nothing at all to do with Ange.
True, although I do think it has to do with expectations which are relevant to a new manager. Especially because Ange symbolises something different from our last two major appointments.
Rightly or wrongly, Mourinho and Conte represented win-now type managers. Whereas I think many fans are viewing the Ange appointment differently. I think there has been a reset of expectations here for most people, which maybe is a good thing for Ange.
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