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djhotspur

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If the players have any doubts in him they only need to pick up the phone to Joe Hart. These quotes are full of praise.

Celtic are the 10th club Hart has played for, having had several loan spells during his time at City, and Postecoglou has made a major impression on him.

Hart played for Roberto Mancini and Manuel Pellegrini in Manchester.

“He is top, he is really, really good,” the 36-year-old said. “He is really clear in what he wants and the biggest buzz for me is I am playing for someone who is pushing me and I am learning new things every single day.

“I’m an old dog in this game and the fact that I am having to do that and stay on my toes and still want more and trying to improve is a great feeling. It makes me feel alive.

“It’s great to constantly be pushed and get results from it. It’s all very well, there are plenty of managers out there who will push and it doesn’t necessarily work, or players don’t adapt. Credit to the players and staff, we have been able to pull in the same direction and get results.

“I love being part of that. I have played in different teams that have been successful. Identity in football has always been there, but in terms of having a real way of playing, this is the first time I have been part of a team with a real way of playing.

“We live and die by it. I love that opportunity. There’s been many coaches and managers I’m sure out there who say, ‘Look, this is how I want you to play and, if it doesn’t (work), it’s on me’. I have heard that many times.

“But I genuinely feel comfortable making risky passes, short passes, and if someone does miss a pass or a tackle and the ball goes in, I don’t think any of us would even flinch because that’s what we are being asked to do.

“We believe what we have been asked to do and we are enjoying trying to be better at it.”

The big games do not stop for Celtic, with the Scottish Cup and a treble on the line against Inverness on June 3, but first they have the chance to go a full season unbeaten against Rangers when they travel to Ibrox on Saturday.

“There’s no extra motivation,” Hart said. “It’s a huge game for the club.

“We have pulled together as a group. There’s not going to be any fans inside the stadium pulling for us, but we know around the world…Jeez, we went to Australia in November and felt their presence.

“We know there’s going to be support, expectation, and the least we can do is show up with an attitude to win and play our style of football.”
You son of a bitch I’m in
 

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The Goat hears (from a reliable source) that although Matilda is still the likeliest to waltz through the door, it isn't decided yet. Also, a fairly new source (so salt please) tells The Goat that someone else has been spoken to over the past couple of days.
Please god be JN, but more likely Enrique as reported in media a couple of days back.
 

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The Goat hears (from a reliable source) that although Matilda is still the likeliest to waltz through the door, it isn't decided yet. Also, a fairly new source (so salt please) tells The Goat that someone else has been spoken to over the past couple of days.
now theres a banana worth dancing to
 

quackers

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I wonder if Ange would look at bringing Carter-Vickers back, seems he's been a pivotal player for him and about the best player in the league for his position.
I'm not sure bringing in league 1 quality standard players to the elite level of football really cuts it, but then again if we bring in a league 1 quality level coach, we may as well be playing league 1 football, give it a couple of seasons....

I did say looking at CCV and Hart (who was useless for us) really sums up the level of football played in Scotland and thus infers the level of coach we are looking at.
 

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I’m interested. Why does manager A who wins league X have less credentials than manager B that wins league Y?

League X isn’t as strong as league Y

Manager A has a lesser team than B

Why is manager A’s achievement seen as lesser when they’re playing the same sport?

I guess the overall quality of the league comes into it too, I suppose.

I dunno. Let’s say League X is Championship. League Y is PL.

Why wouldn’t a manger that wins the championship be able to win the PL?

Say that the Championship team is a “good” one and the manager takes over a “good” PL team.

What else does the manager need to consider? What makes his job different in terms of knowledge of the game and tactics etc?
Is it simply because he’s up against better managers that may be more tactically astute?

Probably not making a good job of fleshing out my point here but perhaps it will be understood.


Why would Ange (for example) not be able to make a good fist of it at Spurs? Would his tactics etc all of a sudden not work?
Yes, the PL is a far better league than the SPL, but he’ll also have better players at his disposal to play his system.

Perhaps that kind of explains my point better?

Fuck knows.

Like, surely it’s his knowledge of the game that’s probably the most important thing?

Like, I could easily go work for a bigger, better company doing basically the same job but in a higher pressure environment and be paid more money to do it. I’d not fail because I’m good at the job.

Isnt that like any job though. For example you work in an area focusing in a specific sector all your career and then you decide to move to say financial services, which you dont really have much experience in, the chances are - you will be turned away particularly at the position you are in already, you will most likely need to start from the very bottom. The skills are transferable but not the specifics and perhaps therefore challenges etc.

Which then makes adaptability and problem solving a must and even more important. Which is ironic because Conte had fuck all adaptability. Ange - he will need to adapt and if he is willing to even adapt, that is already a positive. We dont know Ange will be able to adapt but we also know that Conte, who was considered amongst the very best - also didnt adapt.

I do think adaptability and flexibility are two important aspects that managers should possess - you can have your core philosophy but change it up.
 

Timberwolf

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I'm not sure bringing in league 1 quality standard players to the elite level of football really cuts it, but then again if we bring in a league 1 quality level coach, we may as well be playing league 1 football, give it a couple of seasons....

I did say looking at CCV and Hart (who was useless for us) really sums up the level of football played in Scotland and thus infers the level of coach we are looking at.
The individual talent at Feyenoord is also largely pretty shite but I think Slot is ready for a PL job.

With your line of thinking no manager from a lower league could ever make the step up to the PL because of the difference in ability and that's obviously not the case.
 

quackers

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The individual talent at Feyenoord is also largely pretty shite but I think Slot is ready for a PL job.

With your line of thinking no manager from a lower league could ever make the step up to the PL because of the difference in ability and that's obviously not the case.
Southampton FC makes you right.

Slot hasnt taken 25 years to get to League 1
 

Tottenham_God

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I'm not sure bringing in league 1 quality standard players to the elite level of football really cuts it, but then again if we bring in a league 1 quality level coach, we may as well be playing league 1 football, give it a couple of seasons....

I did say looking at CCV and Hart (who was useless for us) really sums up the level of football played in Scotland and thus infers the level of coach we are looking at.
No argument from me. I'm not suggesting we should, merely that coaches do like "their own" players.

However, we shouldn't be too dismissive, and I'm not comparing the two, but VanDyk was playing for Celtic at not too dissimilar an age. So there are some gems to be found.

Generally speaking though, the Scottish league is 💩💩
 

Timberwolf

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Southampton FC makes you right.

Slot hasnt taken 25 years to get to League 1
Yeah but Slot wasn't born in a nation where football's a minority sport and there's fuck all support or infrastructure. Slot's from a country that's absolutely obsessed with football and played in the top division there - of course it was easier for him.

The fact Ange has got this far given his background is, if anything, a testament to his ability not a slight on it - he's literally the only aussie to ever be considered for a job at this level AFAIK?
 

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More bullsh*t put out by the club to help us in the Ange negotiations?

Most likely other names seems to be JN or Enrique. Neither have jobs at the moment so you either do the deal or move on.

I still think it will be Ange.
 

glacierSpurs

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Ange’s last game for Yokahom was a loss to 4th tier Honda FC in the Emperors Cup so if they loose today I’m taking it as sign he is 100% coming.


Joking aside this does sound quite familiar. Im sure the body language experts will be out in full force at the final whistle.
It's good to provide some context as Honda FC are 4th tier only because they chose not to join the J-league set-up without giving up their corporate identity in the name Honda. Quoted from the article below: "They are the dominant team in that league, winning four titles in a row between 2016 and 2019 and have not been promoted only because they have not expressed an interest in attaining a J League licence"

They are by no means a farmers' team just so people are not misunderstood. And Ange's Yokohama F.Marinos went to lose in the penalty shootout, not like they were thrashed in the exit of the tournament.

Here are the entire article for those who are keen:

Incoming Celtic boss Ange Postecoglou endured a nightmare send-off at Yokohama F Marinos as they lost to fourth tier Honda.

The Greek-Australian is set to be confirmed as Neil Lennon 's permanent replacement, with compensation and personal terms agreed.

With his move to Celtic seen as inevitable, Postecoglou was given a rousing reception from the home fans before the game.

But his final match won't be the 55-year-old's happiest memory from a successful time in Japan after his side were knocked out of the Emperor's Cup by lowly Honda FC, whose goalkeeper scored the opener before helping his side win a penalty shoot-out.

The visitors are in the Japan Football League, the fourth level of the pyramid.

However, they are the dominant team in that league, winning four titles in a row between 2016 and 2019 and have not been promoted only because they have not expressed an interest in attaining a J League licence.

Clubs entering one of the top three divisions must give up any corporate identity and, as a works team for the car manufacturer, the team has not moved to join the J League set-up.

As a result Honda maintain their amateur status, but they took the lead after 28 minutes when Yuki Kusumoto converted from the penalty spot.


If trailing to a fourth tier side was bad, insult was added to injury by the fact it was the Honda goalkeeper who had converted the kick.

Postecoglou's side went in 1-0 down at half-time and by the hour mark were still trailing.

That saw the incoming Parkhead boss make four changes and his side grabbed an equaliser shortly thereafter.

One of his substitutes, Brazilian forward Elber, made it 1-1 with 67 minutes on the clock.

But having got themselves back into the game the 2019 J League champions looked to have fallen behind once again.

Just two minutes later Honda had the ball in the net again but it was disallowed after a lengthy review.

The match went into extra-time and Leo Ceara put the top flight team ahead.

Incredibly though Honda equalised once again, this time through 23-year-old striker Yuki Okazaki.

And the fourth tier side triumphed on penalties to ensure Postecoglou leaves on a downbeat note.
 

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Isnt that like any job though. For example you work in an area focusing in a specific sector all your career and then you decide to move to say financial services, which you dont really have much experience in, the chances are - you will be turned away particularly at the position you are in already, you will most likely need to start from the very bottom. The skills are transferable but not the specifics and perhaps therefore challenges etc.

Which then makes adaptability and problem solving a must and even more important. Which is ironic because Conte had fuck all adaptability. Ange - he will need to adapt and if he is willing to even adapt, that is already a positive. We dont know Ange will be able to adapt but we also know that Conte, who was considered amongst the very best - also didnt adapt.

I do think adaptability and flexibility are two important aspects that managers should possess - you can have your core philosophy but change it up.
What does adapt mean though

I want a coach that can adapt their in game tactics and adjust to different scenarios

I don’t want a coach that will adapt to Levy offering him 3rd/4th choice signings and holding squad development back to pinch pennies

The board and Levy need to be held to account but also the manager needs to show adaptability

hope Ange isn’t a yes man though
 

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More bullsh*t put out by the club to help us in the Ange negotiations?

Most likely other names seems to be JN or Enrique. Neither have jobs at the moment so you either do the deal or move on.

I still think it will be Ange.

Bullshit channeled from the club to The Goat?
 

1882andallthat

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I've got a funny feeling that fuck all is going to happen today.
#crystalballgazer

Apart from another 50-100 pages of groundhog :woot:
I've just gone onto oddschecker and Bet 365 are offering the best odds on "fuck all happening today on Spurs Community and the next manager search forum other than another 50-100 pages of if's buts and maybe's" they're quoting odds of 1/4 on so I've stuck the house on it.....
 
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I think the only evidence so far is that every time he has been asked to step up, he has done so successfully. He sticks to his principles of playing good attacking, front foot football and the fans seem to like him. There is no proof that he isn't able to step up so I guess we will never know unless he is given a chance. Whether we are the right club to give him that opportunity, I don't know. I do know that we have regretted passing up on managers and players in the past due to hesitancy and not being prepared to take a calcated risk. On the flipside we have gone for serial winners in Mourinho and Conte and both ended badly so there are clearly no guarantees when it comes to picking the right manager.

Indeed, but when he stepped up successfully in Japan, he did so in his second season.

In his first season, he took a team who had never been out of the J1-League to within a point of the relegation play-offs and within three points of relegation. In part, because only two teams conceded more goals than his team did.

If his learning curve is of a similar ilk here, we won't get to see him step up in his second season. Chances are we won't get to see how he fares with rotating for the third round of the Carabao Cup. He'll be out on his arse before you can say 'Taramasalata'.

Look, I can see his appeal. He has charm and he plays attacking football. But that's not enough for me. And I don't think it will be enough for a querulous crowd and a lily-livered chairman if we start shipping goals at home. Big defeats at home did for AVB and Nuno and they'll do for Ange too if they happen, no matter how engaging he is.

To be honest, I'm not completely sold on Nagelsmann or Luis Enrique either. I just think both would have enough top league experience to navigate the choppy waters that any manager new to the Premier League is likely to face. I'm fearful, based on his J1-League experience, that Ange may not.
 
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