chas vs dave
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Martin Jol didn't have anywhere near the level of experience as AP.
Unless you've now decided that RKC Waalwijk, and Roda are on a similar level to celtic.
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Unless you've now decided that RKC Waalwijk, and Roda are on a similar level to celtic.
chas vs dave
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Had to be someone's. Although, I didn't peg you as being someone who had friends....I know, he's my mate
IfiHadTheWings
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That was said for a cheap laugh mate, with the amount of FIFA menu grinding and scrolling on here only a fool would believe i have mates.Had to be someone's. Although, I didn't peg you as being someone who had friends....
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You can have Redknapp and Poch, but with the best will in the world, managing your country to an international trophy, then winning the J1 title, and then multiple titles with Celtic, is a tiny bit more experience than managing RKC Waalwijk
danielneeds
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Interesting, the link between Joe Lewis and Desmond, given that he was said to be instrumental in Pochettino getting appointed on Kenny Dalglish’s reccomendation.
Postecoglou would be a fine fit for Spurs – and Celtic should wish him well
Celtic will surely complete a domestic treble on Saturday but questions over the manager’s future mean it now promises to be a strange occasionwww.theguardian.com
Ewan is a Celtic fan
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Redknapp, yeah I'll give you that one.
However, Jol's experience consisted of managing two Dutch amateur teams and two lower Eredivisie sides, and an assistant job before he managed us.
Poch only had 5 years of top-flight management experience before he joined Spurs.
Ange has been in management for over 20 years, just not in Europe. He's hardly devoid of it.
mil1lion
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Not if we don't pay
brasil_spur
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You need to really quickly get yourself to the point where you realise that this means nothing. 9th richest but we'll never (under Levy) be spending in that bracket.
Also 9th highest footballing income / wealth, not richest. Newcastle are far richer than us. There's a handful of middle east teams that dwarf us too.
Given the lack of mega richer owners who are willing to spend money outside of the club's ability to generate revenue to achieve success and then the overly cautious approach of Levy, think of us at somewhere in the 15-20 category and base your expectations off of that.
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I agree, which to me when we are on our last chance to hang on to Kane,we need to show some ambition.
Kane has always said he will stay if we continue to progress.
Ange may turn out well, but on the face on it when the likes of JN are available signing him is not showing that ambition.
As fans we can talk ourselves around, big him up, love his videos and convince ourselves he is the next best thing, but players are different. Their careers are limited and whether we like it or not signing Ange is not a statement signing.
If people are fine to lose our one world class player and position ourselves alongside the likes of Brighton as they nearly signed him them great. But let's be honest as nice as Brightons football is as well run as they are they arent going to be challenging for the title and that's what World class players want to be doing.
does my 7 years of coaching boys youth team football count?
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Every single thing you’ve said about Ange in this post is wrong.
- he massively overachieved with the resources available to him at both teams he managed in Australia, in Japan and with the oz national team. Taking teams who either never won, or hadn’t in a long time, to trophies/titles within 2 years. Celtic is the outlier in his career.
- He sticks to attacking principles, but is very open to switching formations and tactics to achieve that with the players at his disposal.
- Celtic and a national team alone is much more experience than Jol had pre-Spurs
fishhhandaricecake
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Spot on!
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It depends what is considered failure at Spurs. I wouldn't say Conte was a failure, got us 4th and was challenging 4th again this season. He just made it clear that top 4 isn't enough for him and tapped out. Jose got us into Europe ahead of Arsenal and got to a cup final. I don't think it's as black and white as success or failure. Success for Levy is regular Europe qualification and the odd CL run. Success for the fans has altered due to our runs in the CL and wanting more than that. Given what we do in the transfer window I think there's more success than given credit for to be honest. It's more a matter of who can get the most out of a limited budget and not demand the resources of the top clubs. We are where we belong under Levy but the fans want us to level up now so expectation is at another level.
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Making a load of tenuous promises to a coach like Nagelsmann who is only luke-warm in wanting the job in order to try and keep Kane is not ambition, it’s delusion and foolhardiness.
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Its also completely unnecessary to think that what he achieved in Japan and Australia has any relevance on the best league in the world. It is literally world’s apart, in every sense of the saying.
What he achieved at Celtic is on par with what most managers who go there achieve. They spent more in the summer than the rest of the league combined, so not exactly punching above his weight there either.
I get it, you and a few others are excited by the football and tactics he employs. But that’s not the only thing that’s going to stop our ship from sinking.
There’s no need to exaggerate his achievements anymore than there is a need to do it for other managers. We can assess his achievements for what they are but we need to keep our expectations within the realms of the reality of the EPL.
It would be a huge step up for Ange, and I can completely understand why some fans are apprehensive.
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Alternatively:
Santini - won very few games
Jol - won quite a few (considering where we were)
Ramos - won a cup but not a lot else
Redknapp - got us up the table and competing - ie won a lot (considering . . .)
I think you can see where I'm going with this.
Yes, I think a unifying personality is important but the overwhelmingly top thing needed is to have success, which is of course relative. I loved Poch and the sense of belonging that he brought, but would it have been enough by itself if we weren't competing at the top and indeed getting to a CL final - probably not.
Cynical but true.
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Just realised it’s already Friday night where you are
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Saints 2 -4 Newcastle
Saints 1-2 QPR
Saints 0-3 West Brom
Saints 0-1 Norwich
Saints 1-3 Chelsea
Saints 0-1 Tottenham (AVB tottenham)
Saints 2-3 Tottenham x 2 (sherwood tottenham)
Saints 2-3 Villa
Saints 1-2 Everton
Saints 0- 3 Chelsea
Saints 1-3 West Ham
Saints 0-3 Liverpool
Saints 1-4 City
Saints 0-1 Cardiff
That is a selection of what I would say are either bad results or bee. comfortably beaten by the bigger boys from Poch's reign of just 18 months at Southampton.
He did beat Chelsea, City, Liverpool and United in that period but they did have some poor results.
Another stat was that they never recovered a deficit at HT and also blew a few leads in his time there.
Yet under Poch, Tottenham rarely surrendered leads, they would not face as many shock or poor results.
Why am I bringing this up?
Well, sometimes it's easy to get caught up in facts like "Ange was abysmal in Europe", that can be a concern.
But sometimes it really is simply down to the quality you have on the field.
Poch didn't have Vertonghen, Walker and Toby at Southampton.
Nor did he have a Harry Kane.
Is it possible that with Kane, Bissouma, Romero a new GK and CB, Ange's teams are much more prepared to overcome strong opposition? Like Poch was?
Saints 1-2 QPR
Saints 0-3 West Brom
Saints 0-1 Norwich
Saints 1-3 Chelsea
Saints 0-1 Tottenham (AVB tottenham)
Saints 2-3 Tottenham x 2 (sherwood tottenham)
Saints 2-3 Villa
Saints 1-2 Everton
Saints 0- 3 Chelsea
Saints 1-3 West Ham
Saints 0-3 Liverpool
Saints 1-4 City
Saints 0-1 Cardiff
That is a selection of what I would say are either bad results or bee. comfortably beaten by the bigger boys from Poch's reign of just 18 months at Southampton.
He did beat Chelsea, City, Liverpool and United in that period but they did have some poor results.
Another stat was that they never recovered a deficit at HT and also blew a few leads in his time there.
Yet under Poch, Tottenham rarely surrendered leads, they would not face as many shock or poor results.
Why am I bringing this up?
Well, sometimes it's easy to get caught up in facts like "Ange was abysmal in Europe", that can be a concern.
But sometimes it really is simply down to the quality you have on the field.
Poch didn't have Vertonghen, Walker and Toby at Southampton.
Nor did he have a Harry Kane.
Is it possible that with Kane, Bissouma, Romero a new GK and CB, Ange's teams are much more prepared to overcome strong opposition? Like Poch was?
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