Player Watch: Davinson Sanchez

Freddie said:

If we're winning our next home game comfortably would be good to see him come on. Will get a cracking reception. Hopefully he doesn't give away a pen.

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This actually made me LOL. The "If" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that first sentence.

ajspurs said:

The image of him on the bench after being substituted is the saddest thing. Could have easily walked straight down the tunnel as well due to not only being booed but by being a substitute being substituted which no one likes but still went to sit down without a complaint.

So much I hate about this club right now and that's before even thinking about the actual football being played.

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By not hiding, he demonstrated the levels of dignity and courage that you’d like to see from (some of) our fans

jolsnogross said:

It seems straightforward enough to explain. People are really hacked off and tired of seeing rubbish football from players who have been playing rubbish football for years. I doubt they mean for players to take it personally. But it is reactive to what they are witnessing. Royal went through it and came out of it with tons of plaudits from the stands.

All this hand wringing and holier than thou nonsense is a bit over the top. Stadium atmosphere is created by 'mob-like' behaviour and it's not always positive.

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Your post misses the mark on two levels. First off, it is okay to be hacked off. nothing wrong with that. But they have to be an imbecile and self absorbed to think someone wouldn't take that personally. And to top it off, it's counter productive to what all of our collective goal is - improve the squad, win silverware, etc. If your fan base is seen among the most toxic, the value of the shiny new stadium, training facilities, etc is lessened to player and coaches alike. yes, some of the other clubs have obnoxious fans but how many booed their own player who is doing all he capable of rather than sauntering about? and doing it every time they touch the ball? And if a player lacks confidence, what behavior is most likely to improve his form even if he is going to be sold (and be worth more money as an asset?) Idiots. all of them.

Regarding the hand wringing and holier than thou, you may want to reconsider your ability to emphathize. What's been great about this thread is that it restored my faith in Spurs fans that many/most see this behavior as unacceptable on both a human level as well as a performance level. Rafael VDV said we were a special club. We were. We're not so special any more and it's high time we return to our roots from a footballing perspective and a supporters perspective. I hope the yahoos who booed get challenged by our own fans even if it causes fights to break out.

If you truly want success for the club, you'd help silence the boobirds. Davinson is ours. We fight for our own.

I doubt Sanchez was feeling especially good anyway. After the first? goal there was a lot of arguing going on between him and Porro. Plenty of hand gestures as to what they both should have done. It went on for at least 2 minutes and still continued after the game had kicked off again.

soflapaul said:

Your post misses the mark on two levels. First off, it is okay to be hacked off. nothing wrong with that. But they have to be an imbecile and self absorbed to think someone wouldn't take that personally. And to top it off, it's counter productive to what all of our collective goal is - improve the squad, win silverware, etc. If your fan base is seen among the most toxic, the value of the shiny new stadium, training facilities, etc is lessened to player and coaches alike. yes, some of the other clubs have obnoxious fans but how many booed their own player who is doing all he capable of rather than sauntering about? and doing it every time they touch the ball? And if a player lacks confidence, what behavior is most likely to improve his form even if he is going to be sold (and be worth more money as an asset?) Idiots. all of them.

Regarding the hand wringing and holier than thou, you may want to reconsider your ability to emphathize. What's been great about this thread is that it restored my faith in Spurs fans that many/most see this behavior as unacceptable on both a human level as well as a performance level. Rafael VDV said we were a special club. We were. We're not so special any more and it's high time we return to our roots from a footballing perspective and a supporters perspective. I hope the yahoos who booed get challenged by our own fans even if it causes fights to break out.

If you truly want success for the club, you'd help silence the boobirds. Davinson is ours. We fight for our own.

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I think this sort of idealism just doesn't fly anywhere in the heat of 60K+ human moment. Spurs fans in the stadium didn't arrive planning to do this, just as they didn't with Royal. That doesn't make them good or bad, just human and in a big atmosphere. They cheered Royal to the rafters when he turned it around. Players are always running the gauntlet in front of a stadium full of punters. That's the job. The lucrative, legend of a job.

A spectacle like a PL game at a stadium will have an atmosphere that is carried along by what's happening on the pitch, and some memory or historical content baked in. It's a shame for Sanchez, but he's been a poor player for years now, he hasn't shown any signs of improving (the opposite in fact), and being subbed on and then back off again is always embarrassing.

Plenty of the empathetic folk on here, not you by the way, seem very animated with their comments about fucking off fellow fans and "hating" the club etc. None of this is positive stuff, but footy has these downs with the ups and itll all blow over

jolsnogross said:

I think this sort of idealism just doesn't fly anywhere in the heat of 60K+ human moment. Spurs fans in the stadium didn't arrive planning to do this, just as they didn't with Royal. That doesn't make them good or bad, just human and in a big atmosphere. They cheered Royal to the rafters when he turned it around. Players are always running the gauntlet in front of a stadium full of punters. That's the job. The lucrative, legend of a job.

A spectacle like a PL game at a stadium will have an atmosphere that is carried along by what's happening on the pitch, and some memory or historical content baked in. It's a shame for Sanchez, but he's been a poor player for years now, he hasn't shown any signs of improving (the opposite in fact), and being subbed on and then back off again is always embarrassing.

Plenty of the empathetic folk on here, not you by the way, seem very animated with their comments about fucking off fellow fans and "hating" the club etc. None of this is positive stuff, but footy has these downs with the ups and itll all blow over

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Appreciate the thoughtful response and in a sense agree with your viewpoint from a 10k meter view. in one sense, you are the realist and what isn't clear is whether or not you think the booing fans should be held accountable. Booing is their right since they paid the ticket price and are exercising free speech. At the same time, they are stealing from the rest of the fans and the club in terms of the matchday experience as well as driving poorer performance which at the very least drives down the player's valuation.

They should be called to account if we want to bring the club back to its roots and experience greater success. Knowing that the stadium does have built in amplification, the impact of support or lack thereof will also be amplified so it is in all of our collective best interest to push each and every fan to act like supporters and not spoiled brats. The greater the pushback, the faster the booing population will shrink and that is something in our control whereas the player's performance is not. Cheers.

bigfrooj said:

It might be an unpopular opinion but there was a time when Sanchez looked like a decent young player, playing in a good team, managed by a good manager. He’s been at the club a long time now and as far as I’m concerned that makes him one of our own and he needs looking after or we sell him, whatever the decent thing to do by him is. I’ve never booed a Spurs player or the Spurs team and never will - I certainly won’t give dogs abuse and force a grown man to cry. The shame of it.

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I thought he was pretty decent under Poch.

IMHO it was the ‘expert’ man manager that is Jose that started the confidence decline in Sanchez (as we saw in AoN).

Harrier said:

I thought he was pretty decent under Poch.

IMHO it was the ‘expert’ man manager that is Jose that started the confidence decline in Sanchez (as we saw in AoN).

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That goes for a number of players here

soflapaul said:

Appreciate the thoughtful response and in a sense agree with your viewpoint from a 10k meter view. in one sense, you are the realist and what isn't clear is whether or not you think the booing fans should be held accountable. Booing is their right since they paid the ticket price and are exercising free speech. At the same time, they are stealing from the rest of the fans and the club in terms of the matchday experience as well as driving poorer performance which at the very least drives down the player's valuation.

They should be called to account if we want to bring the club back to its roots and experience greater success. Knowing that the stadium does have built in amplification, the impact of support or lack thereof will also be amplified so it is in all of our collective best interest to push each and every fan to act like supporters and not spoiled brats. The greater the pushback, the faster the booing population will shrink and that is something in our control whereas the player's performance is not. Cheers.

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I'm not sure how you hold a large group of fans (thousands, tens of thousands?) accountable? I suppose I'm neutral on the topic. Leeds just got tonked by Liverpool, followed by booing and heading for the exits. That's a natural enough response to seeing your team being torn apart, as well as people probably getting frustrated that the effort from the home team was nowhere near fan expectations. It's just how it goes. The focus on an individual rather than a more distributed group culpability is more uncomfortable to watch, but I don't think cheering on bad play is likely or useful either. If I was there myself, I'd just be quiet or chatting to the folks next to me about the state of what we're watching.

So I find it understandable even though it's discomforting to watch. I think Sanchez will be fine - unfortunately, he has allowed his career to stagnate and go backwards by staying at Spurs. He should've left for his own good a while ago or he should've worked on something to ensure his role in elite sport was better. But he has some responsibility for this own career trajectory and for how people are responding to him. He could well have many brighter days ahead, though not in the Premier League I suspect.

I agree with your call to try to generate a positive vibe and atmosphere in the stadium and match-going fans have a little bit of power over that. But it's not that much power, and it's almost certainly always going to be overcome by the spectacle everyone has come to see. It may steal from some fans' enjoyment, but being voiceless or cheering on rank bad play would steal from other fans' experience. Even overtly positive places like Palace get worn down over time by a sense of going nowhere or rank bad play. That's the nature of it.

Booing can also drive improvement because it is an audible and uncomfortable thing to be around. The players can keep phoning it in if they like, and they'll be met with similar outcomes. It could be a vicious circle, but I don't think the fans have as much power over that as you're suggesting. A proper club and proper players would recognise why the atmosphere is turning sour and rectify it. They have far more control over converting this to a virtuous circle. And for the most part, Spurs games start with optimism from the stands (at least that's the impression on the telly), and doesn't turn until the performance sucks that out.

FibreOpticJesus said:

I am not sure if it has been stated elsewhere on here but I wonder if the additional 24 thousand supporters have a different approach to supporting Spurs. During the 90’s and 00’s the football and players on show at White Hart Lane was well below the standard we deserved but in all that time I only remember hearing booing of the team or a player was for Ghaly, who ripped off his shirt, who upset the crowd, I cannot remember if I booed but I definitely gave him verbals and sang you are not fit to wear the shirt.
My point being is the 36,000 who attended week in and out probably have a higher tolerance to poor performances. Having attended the Lane since the early 70’s I have only heard booing for the opposition and officials. The booing seems to be a new stadium phenomenon and I just wonder is it caused by the influx of new supporters?

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I always remember back in the mid-2000's YP Lee being boo'ed in a home game vs United. We'd been playing well and matching them and then Lee had made a mistake and given the ball to Rooney, who smashed it straight in. Cue boo's for YPL from a small section of fans as soon as he touched it afterwards.

The difference back then was the rest of the crowd were absolutely disgusted at hearing that and proceeded to loudly cheer him every time he touched the ball after that. It was an honest mistake from a dedicated and hard working player and the crowd at the time were mature enough to recognise that and that boo-ing was the last thing which would help the team.

It's a very different generation these days. And I don't mean age, I mean the sense of entitlement. The most miserable people in the stadium are big burly blokes in their 40' and 50's who get tanked up before the game and just spend 90 minutes throwing vile abuse at any Spurs player who dares touch the ball. Having wankers like this who should know better screaming and spitting every word under the sun over my shoulder every week no matter where I sat is what stopped me going.

Harrier said:

I thought he was pretty decent under Poch.

IMHO it was the ‘expert’ man manager that is Jose that started the confidence decline in Sanchez (as we saw in AoN).

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Thats unfair. Poch dropped him after a good run of form and he has never really recovered. I| know that doesnt fit the Jose = bad man narrative, but this one is on poch.

Harrier said:

I thought he was pretty decent under Poch.

IMHO it was the ‘expert’ man manager that is Jose that started the confidence decline in Sanchez (as we saw in AoN).

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because we had peak Toby and Jan...even Wimmer played well alongside Toby when Jan was injured

coy-spurs1882 said:

because we had peak Toby and Jan...even Wimmer played well alongside Toby when Jan was injured

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Those were the days. Can we get back to those?

coy-spurs1882 said:

because we had peak Toby and Jan...even Wimmer played well alongside Toby when Jan was injured

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That’s true enough but look at the number of players that became full international players under Pochettino. That’s the true talent of the man and his decline began here when there was no new infusion of talent for him to develop. That makes him a great candidate right now - and he might even be able to do it again with the likes of Davinson Sanchez second time around.

Bobbins said:

It's a very different generation these days. And I don't mean age, I mean the sense of entitlement. The most miserable people in the stadium are big burly blokes in their 40' and 50's who get tanked up before the game and just spend 90 minutes throwing vile abuse at any Spurs player who dares touch the ball. Having wankers like this who should know better screaming and spitting every word under the sun over my shoulder every week no matter where I sat is what stopped me going.

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Bloody gammons. Always so angry!

Stamford said:

Thats unfair. Poch dropped him after a good run of form and he has never really recovered. I| know that doesnt fit the Jose = bad man narrative, but this one is on poch.

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I don’t recall that with Poch, but we all witnessed narcissistic Jose getting one over on Davinson in order to prove a point. It was cringeworthy in the extreme and can’t have helped his confidence one jot!

Harrier said:

I don’t recall that with Poch, but we all witnessed narcissistic Jose getting one over on Davinson in order to prove a point. It was cringeworthy in the extreme and can’t have helped his confidence one jot!

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maybe but I think one harmless comment is less damaging than him playing out of his skin to help us get top four and then being dropped.

It’s just ode how he stepped up so well to cover for Romero end of last season, to extreme where he impressed Conte enough to feel he could rely on him and not sell him in summer.

And has now reverted to being absolute dross this season.

We should never be booing a player for trying of course, but he is such a bad player.

DJS said:

It’s just ode how he stepped up so well to cover for Romero end of last season, to extreme where he impressed Conte enough to feel he could rely on him and not sell him in summer.

And has now reverted to being absolute dross this season.

We should never be booing a player for trying of course, but he is such a bad player.

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Maybe Emerson on the outside of him didn’t expose his deficiencies so much? If I were Newcastle I would be targeting that side especially if Romero is elsewhere in the defence.

Harrier said:

I thought he was pretty decent under Poch.

IMHO it was the ‘expert’ man manager that is Jose that started the confidence decline in Sanchez (as we saw in AoN).

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He was actually pretty good back end of last season. People have short memories.