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Scot-Spur

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Lloris - soon to be gone from first tea, after next window
Dier - Will be upgraded or backup in a 4
Davies - Was backup (and dependable) under Poch
Son - Having a mare of a season
Kane - Still amazing

Bench
Sanchez - Will go

Anyone on loan is expendable.
It’s alright saying will go but will they actually go? We have been saying this for multiple windows yet we still have them.
 

dk-yid

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I'm sorry to perhaps ask a dumb question, as I haven't been too attentive.

Is the discussion in this thread based on any info regarding the manager situation, or is it more a discussion on what if..?

Genuine question, so don't rip me to shreds.
 

spurs mental

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You’re gonna have to show some quotes on this. Because I’ve not seen that said anywhere.
It was said in January. Someone who doesn't agree has already replied saying they think it was Trix opinion.

That may be the case but unfortunately I don't have the time to go searching for the quote as I've got a life and a job. Im sure if you want you can find it yourself.
 

Tucker

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I'm sorry to perhaps ask a dumb question, as I haven't been too attentive.

Is the discussion in this thread based on any info regarding the manager situation, or is it more a discussion on what if..?

Genuine question, so don't rip me to shreds.
We’ve had itk saying Conte is leaving. Hotspur88 and I think Herc (I could be wrong on that) have both chimed in on it.

Herc also said Poch was the clear favourite to replace him.
 

Tucker

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It was said in January. Someone who doesn't agree has already replied saying they think it was Trix opinion.

That may be the case but unfortunately I don't have the time to go searching for the quote as I've got a life and a job. Im sure if you want you can find it yourself.
Nah you’re ok. I know you’re wrong so I don’t need to go searching thanks. ??
 

Harrier

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Lloris - agree
Dier - what makes you believe he will be upgraded when he's needed upgrading for about 3 seasons and we failed to upgrade last summer and this January when we clearly needed to? The club basically baulked at the price of an upgrade and signed one CB on loan in both windows?
Davies - nowhere near good enough as a LB or back up LB in a 4 anymore. Remember Nunos last game?
Sanchez - has needed to go since he arrived.

I doubt anyone on loan is gone straight away for a number of reasons including what I've said above but also because we'll be asking for silly money and their wages are silly as well.
I’m not suggesting we keep him, but I thought Sanchez was reasonably solid under Poch.

It was that man management expert Mourinho that seemed to rob Sanchez of any confidence (which considering what we saw in AoN was hardly surprising).
 

Cinemattis

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The hatred of Levy is so dense it's warping spacetime. People see everything through the lens of this parasocial relationship, and it's driving them insane.

Hotspur88 just said that some fans still can't see that Levy is the problem. As if we're supposed to do something about it.

I could understand if he was driving the club to bankruptcy or he was a reprehensible individual or Enic were leeching money from us... but he's just made some bad decisions and has a way of operating that some find frustrating.

The thing is, despite how we are constantly being briefed, Levy has been pretty flexible and able to change. At the same time we've grown massively and have far more options than we had previously. So I am not surprised there have been some errors but the will and capacity to change is obviously there. So I just can't be as pessimistic about things as we're supposed to be.

Appointing Espirito Santo was a catastrophe but Levy moved quickly to replace him. And I really don't think we will end up in that situation again. Appointing Conte was a great bold move and it paid off. In the summer we got signings in quickly and massively increased our strength in depth. Things aren't working out but that happens sometimes.

If Pochettino comes in, I don't believe that Levy will be looking at it as a way to fool the fans or be lazy. I would expect that he believes it's the best option of those available and he would make an effort to make it work. Similarly, I don't think Pochettino would rejoin if he didn't think he could be successful. We frequently make ambitious moves. I can't see this as some sneaky, cheap way to get fans onside.

(That said, we should always be skeptical of what we hear. Maybe Levy and Pochettino just have mutual respect and let it be known. Maybe there is no desire for them to reunite. You can't invest too much into the minutiae when you don't know what's really happening. )
I don’t necessarily agree with your standpoint or conclusions, but I really liked this post! It’s sober, reflective and well balanced. Tip to the hat - well done sir ?
 

Albertbarich

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This seems to be turning into a Conte V Poch thread which is unfortunate.

This is happening not because Conte is ill but because he has refused to commit to the club. It's fueled rumour after rumour and now it feels like the worst kept secret in football that he is gone in the summer.

You can not believe it if you want because until it's official nothing is certain but this is all on him.

If he was committed long term then yeah give him time , the pedigree he has demands it but he doesn't appear to be at all so what's the point about debating his pros and cons or trying to put down old managers to prove a point?

I love Poch so I'll be over the moon to see him back, he has faults but so does Conte and every other manager in the world.

I'd also be delighted with a Gallardo, be intrigued to see Tuchel or Enrique, be open to an Amoriom and happy to see a Gasperini.

The bigger question is the DOF one. It's blatantly obvious we won't financially compete with the top top clubs and we have major spending needed so we need a scouting network second to none unless ENIC decided to sell which I just can't see. With Paratici looking doomed sooner or later I think this is the bigger question and most important one. We need someone not only with a brilliant eye for talent ID but also who has Levy's full trust because getting that would be all the difference.
 

YB123

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I'm sorry to perhaps ask a dumb question, as I haven't been too attentive.

Is the discussion in this thread based on any info regarding the manager situation, or is it more a discussion on what if..?

Genuine question, so don't rip me to shreds.

Its pretty much staring us in the face and Di Marzio, best source for Paratici & Conte, has said they look like parting ways but in summer
 

cockerel downunder

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Poch had
peak Hugo
peak Walker *
peak Rose *
peak Toby *
peak Jan *
peak Dembele *
peak Eriksen *
peak Dele *
peak Kane
+ Son
and won no trophies (* they walk into our starting 11 right now at their peak)

Conte has
peak Romero
peak Bentacur
peak Kane
+ Son & Kulusevski
Poch coached those players to their peak, he didn’t just get lucky to have then
 

Rosco1984

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This club is driving me insane. If Poch wasn't right then, why is he right now? Have he become a better manager since, or have we changed as a club to better give him the tools to succeed?

Can someone please explain to me why this is a good way forward?
He was in need of a break and a change after the champions league. We have had two serial winners who people tell you are two of the greatest managers of all time and we have been largely dull lifeless and innefective. Poch got us to a champions league final ffs and two title challenges on next to no budget. Who could you see doing better than that?
 

The Scarecrow

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Had this discussion yesterday, it was, not so much dismissed but most seem to think this won't be the case.

Yet we've had ITK confirm it will be the case for any new coach on more than one occasion.
No one can confirm that something will be the case in the future.
 

HedgieSpur

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Conte has been backed though and in all reality he’s been disappointing I’m not buying this he hasn’t been backed bullshit we’ve spent silly money and in reality we still look awful and have no tactics.
Who are the Vertonghen & Alderweireld replacements? Have we lined up with Dier, Davies, Sanchez and Tanganga this season?

You appear to see “being backed” as a one off result whereas I see it as a process.

Imo Conte has not been back sufficiently with the players he needs over the time he has been here. If he had, we wouldn’t still be utilising the defenders we’ve had from eons ago.
 

Styopa

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Very much my opinion but I can’t see any way back for Ndombele or Lo Celso. They didn’t come back under Nuno or Conte so I don’t see why they would come back under the next coach whoever that may be. Also If Conte was staying no one would be talking about him reintegrating these two next season. I’m not sure why we would assume Levy’s view on that changes if Conte leaves?
 
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