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Stoof said:

They’re not going to sell below market value. They don’t care. The “ENIC out” movement is such a massive waste of energy.

It’s clear that the stadium won’t catch up our finances to Emirate-level endless pots of money. So I think we probably just have to accept that for now.

No-one is paying £2bn in a recession.

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The chants were Levy out and not ENIC out though

13VanDerBale13 said:

Are there any actual Enic backers still out there ?

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Check https://old.reddit.com/r/coys/new there are plenty

fishhhandaricecake said:

Are you a younger fan? I get where you’re coming from but if you truly understand what is going on and has gone on rinse and repeat for best part of 20 years under ENIC you’ll realise exactly why Levy specifically needs to step away completely if we are to enjoy our club and have any success.

You’d also then understand and appreciate why matchday going fans today were not turning on the manager but signing “Daniel Levy get out of our club”, because they’re sick of what keeps happening over and over and see no way out of this and sorry but they have sucked the life out of our club, it’s all very well having this big fancy new stadium but success and style of play of the FOOTBALL team are an afterthought and there is no regard for the fans or the clubs DNA, we have just become a corporate monster under ENIC, Lady Gaga and profits come first.

There was once a great FOOTBALL club here.

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Like I said above I was a kid in Australia in the 80's - then followed the shite show through the 90's until I moved here in 1999 and started going to games regularly.

I think what Enic achieved by somehow managing to over take Arsenal both on (until this year) and off the field in less than 15 years a quite remarkable achievement given where both clubs stood in 2002. We just never had a Wenger/Ferguson and when he came we were building the stadium.

mil1lion said:

The chants were Levy out and not ENIC out though

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Someone's got to buy Levy out. The club is owned by Lewis and Levy's family trusts.

legion said:

It's 2023. Not 1998

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No shit. I was responding to someone who was telling me we were a giant in 1991 the likes of which Enic has somehow destroyed...

fishhhandaricecake said:

I don’t actually agree with that mate, #notogattuso stopped us hiring him.

Protests after and during Nuno’s time influenced his sacking and the hiring of conte as Levy and the board could see the fans were turning on the board.

Protests against owners have made a difference at Man.U, Arsenal, Liverpool etc.

Also I doubt constant protests would do much good PR for Levy/ENIC, the value of the club and it could make uncle joe take note of the protests are big enough and serious enough.

We won’t know unless we try and it’s been 20 years of rinse and repeat and sucking the soul out of our great football club, we owe it to the club to speak up and try, so so many now are finally waking up and smelling the coffee when it comes to Levy meddling on the football side and leading this constant cycle of hire and fire and poor player recruitment and a mess of a plan and chopping and changing of strategy on the football side. Let’s not let Stockholm syndrome kick in, let’s take action now and get Levy out the door.

Enough is enough.

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Exceptionally well said!

We can't sit in silence and we can effect some things.

Stoof said:

Someone's got to buy Levy out. The club is owned by Lewis and Levy's family trusts.

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Although technically Levy wont be 'out' there is absolutely every chance he gets shifted away from the football side if there's enough pressure
There's a new Lewis taking over and she may well see time for a change behind the scenes given our track record of late under Levy
A restructuring is far more likely than a sale or Levy out but the chants of Levy out could encourage change
Activists do create change and in this day and age there is definitely the possibility that fans can make change happen

Albertbarich said:

Come on there is a lot more behind that net spend stat .

Chelsea had a transfer ban and if the Fernandes sale goes will have spent 550 million since the takeover I read earlier

City and Liverpool are now just adding absolute quality and I suspect of you add agent and signing on fees to the Harland deal it was worth quadruple what it's stated and Liverpool are now planning a rebuild having already dropped about 150 on two forwards. And that's just the finances we can see.

If any one of those clubs goes for a player would you think we would bother? We beat the chavs to Richy but that was straight after the takeover, now they're spending money like a kid in willy Wonka's chocolate factory.

The stadium appears to have left us in the same position as we were before. About fifth or sixth richest in the league charging absolute premium for everything whilst making managers try and over achieve.

Were not competing at all with the top teams, it's very disheartening.

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Taking off the Tottenham goggles for a minute it's really sad that clubs are spending so much money that even doubling the number of fans going to games doesn't seem to make that much difference. The clubs without super rich owners haven't got a chance.

fishhhandaricecake said:

But unless literally no one turns up or buys anything they’ll always get enough fans turning up because the poor suckers just can’t stay away so for me the only way to get to them is to protest in huge numbers and consistently, anything other than that won’t make a shit of a difference i’m afraid

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Fans wouldn't even need to stop going to games. If they started a protest that just saw them stop buying club merchandise and food and drink inside the stadium on match days it would soon make an impact.

DarwinSpur said:

Like I said above I was a kid in Australia in the 80's - then followed the shite show through the 90's until I moved here in 1999 and started going to games regularly.

I think what Enic achieved by somehow managing to over take Arsenal both on (until this year) and off the field in less than 15 years a quite remarkable achievement given where both clubs stood in 2002. We just never had a Wenger/Ferguson and when he came we were building the stadium.

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Oh and then we sacked him like a lot of people on here wanted Levy to do.

Probably the same fans who jeered Emerson Royal coming onto the pitch.

mil1lion said:

Although technically Levy wont be 'out' there is absolutely every chance he gets shifted away from the football side if there's enough pressure
There's a new Lewis taking over and she may well see time for a change behind the scenes given our track record of late under Levy
A restructuring is far more likely than a sale or Levy out but the chants of Levy out could encourage change
Activists do create change and in this day and age there is definitely the possibility that fans can make change happen

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I agree that activists can make changes - and many protest for many good things in the world generally. But in this particular scenario, I don't think it's the same as say duct taping yourself to a bridge on the M25.

Stoof said:

I agree that activists can make changes - and many protest for many good things in the world generally. But in this particular scenario, I don't think it's the same as say duct taping yourself to a bridge on the M25.

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I might try chain myself to the cockerel at the top of the stadium in just my underwear and Levy Out written across the chest

Stoof said:

I agree that activists can make changes - and many protest for many good things in the world generally. But in this particular scenario, I don't think it's the same as say duct taping yourself to a bridge on the M25.

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Someone should try duct taping themselves over the Beavertown bar, that'll ruffle some feathers...

The only way Enic and Levy will listen is financially.

When Nuno was there, attendances were never lower. They were getting around the 50k mark I believe and that must have been a shock to the system for them losing out on 5/10k "customers" because they are not fans to them, they are customers.

The thing is what is being protested here? Since the debacle of Nuno, Levy has hired one of the most elite managers in the sport and spent almost 200 million pounds.

It's hardly Mike Ashley. Should we sack Conte and sign Eddie Howe and Joelinton?

DarwinSpur said:

The thing is what is being protested here? Since the debacle of Nuno, Levy has hired one of the most elite managers in the sport and spent almost 200 million pounds.

It's hardly Mike Ashley. Should we sack Conte and sign Eddie Howe and Joelinton?

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And we need to spend even more to compete. Look at the gooners. £200m gets you 3 maybe 4 top players now, we need double.

YB123 said:

And we need to spend even more to compete. Look at the gooners. £200m gets you 3 maybe 4 top players now, we need double.

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I remember everyone laughing at Arsenals business.

Not laughing now. But they're sure forgetting that they did laugh.

Did you laugh at 50 million for Ben White?
Would you like our new owners to sack Conte and poach Arteta at any cost?

just trying to work out what it is we all want to happen once these new owners take over.

mil1lion said:

The chants were Levy out and not ENIC out though

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Levy is 29.4% ENIC

DarwinSpur said:

I remember everyone laughing at Arsenals business.

Not laughing now. But they're sure forgetting that they did laugh.

Did you laugh at 50 million for Ben White?
Would you like our new owners to sack Conte and poach Arteta at any cost?

just trying to work out what it is we all want to happen once these new owners take over.

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Easy have a plan an actual plan.

If you hire Conte you need to spend £300-400m to get elite players like Skriniar or Bastoni, don’t want to do that then fine, get a project manager and get younger cheap players to build over time. We buy players the manager doesn’t even seem to want, our ability to match our manager and players is woeful. It’s all opportunism, nothing looks thought out, square pegs round holes is our club.

I remember the bad times too and it sucked. But we've been promising to win something for over 10 years now and this barren run means that everything has become stale, cause we don't seem close to winning trophies.

ENIC/Levy had a plan which was to make this club generate huge revenue so that we could compete and if you listen to what they've said since they reached this objective, the message has become mixed.

They quite simply don't know how to achieve success on the pitch and Levy is just bounding from one solution to another all the while pulling the wool over our eyes.

In some cases, this is even worse.

Under sugar, we were shit, we KNEW we were shit, Sugar never promised anything, but it always felt like the club was for sale so things could change. We also didn't go so long without a trophy, as shit as it was. We also had some flair players to enjoy.

Under ENIC, we've been promised things all along the way, the club have gone from one style of coach to another, they've hired horrendously at times and fired poorly at times. Theyve asked for fans to pay the most in the country, yet not delivered results to match.

They have overseen us go from a midtable club to a club pushing at the top. But I believe some of that has been down to certain coaches correcting shit appointments (Redknapp after Ramos, Jol after Santini)

They got the Poch one correct but even that came after the AVB disaster (which they didn't learn from his time at Chelsea) and hilarious Sherwood appointment. And even that wasn't a Levy choice, apparently.

Levy just isn't good at selecting the right coach unless it's forced upon him.

They lack vision and for some that's worse because you get told one thing but another happens.

I think so can speak for most when I say these last few years have been the most deflating we've had simply because so much was promised, so much looked good, yet it's all been taken away because of Levy's bean counting.

For me, that's worse.

I had zero expectations under Sugar.
I had many expectations under Levy, yet almost all of them are crushed as soon as we get a little closer.

DarwinSpur said:

I'm sorry I know things are shit right now but this is ridiculous. Since Enic took over fully in 2006 we've managed to close the gaping chasm that opened up between us and the Top 4 in the 20 years before they took over. To accuse Enic of sucking the soul out of "our great club" which was mired in shit since the early 90's is just ludicrous.

We're still in Tottenham. In a World Class stadium. And - despite the shit last few months - still attracting the so called elite managers and world cup winning players.

Sure Enic out and fresh blood and all that but jeessuusss...

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I’m sorry but ENIC owned 30% of Tottenham by the end of 1991 and had a controlling stake in Spurs by 2001….

They’ve been up to their knees in this shite for years. Only stumbled on BMJ because Santini lost the plot and managed to fuck that up shortly afterwards when fun time Frankie walked across to west london - we probably got him a cab as well!!