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Albertbarich · Jan 1, 2023

Stoof said:
Yes, but not one relating to strong-arming a person into selling something below market-value when they have zero reason to, and by which there are no (legal) actions that you can take to change that or the market conditions.

I'm as fed up as the next person. But he's not going to sell, so it is genuinely a pointless endeavour.

No but the protests can absolutely be effective.

The glaziers kept spending more and more when the United fans protested and now they're selling. The arsenal protests resulted in them giving Arteta massive backing and didn't Liverpool fans force out Hicks?

chrissivad · Jan 1, 2023

DarwinSpur said:
Huh? Since when?

We made a League Cup final under Poch. And under Mourinho.

We made semi finals of the FA Cup multiple times under Poch.

When we got dumped out of EL in recent seasons it wasn't because we were "throwing it" (we just played shit instead)- I can only think of one time where we did that in EL and that was Vs Dortmund under Poch.

Our transfer budget has been rising since the end of the pandemic and full use of stadium.

It's wages that we lag behind in. A situation only going to get worse with Newcastle and PIF.

I just remeber a lot of cup games where he played a 'rotated' team of all the players we knew couldn't play together.

Poch did do a lot better in cup games, just never got over the line.

Our transfer fund is also still way behind other clubs.

fishhhandaricecake · Jan 1, 2023

DarwinSpur said:
I'm sorry I know things are shit right now but this is ridiculous. Since Enic took over fully in 2006 we've managed to close the gaping chasm that opened up between us and the Top 4 in the 20 years before they took over. To accuse Enic of sucking the soul out of "our great club" which was mired in shit since the early 90's is just ludicrous.

We're still in Tottenham. In a World Class stadium. And - despite the shit last few months - still attracting the so called elite managers and world cup winning players.

Sure Enic out and fresh blood and all that but jeessuusss...

Are you a younger fan? I get where you’re coming from but if you truly understand what is going on and has gone on rinse and repeat for best part of 20 years under ENIC you’ll realise exactly why Levy specifically needs to step away completely if we are to enjoy our club and have any success.

You’d also then understand and appreciate why matchday going fans today were not turning on the manager but signing “Daniel Levy get out of our club”, because they’re sick of what keeps happening over and over and see no way out of this and sorry but they have sucked the life out of our club, it’s all very well having this big fancy new stadium but success and style of play of the FOOTBALL team are an afterthought and there is no regard for the fans or the clubs DNA, we have just become a corporate monster under ENIC, Lady Gaga and profits come first.

There was once a great FOOTBALL club here.

Stoof · Jan 1, 2023

Albertbarich said:
No but the protests can absolutely be effective.

The glaziers kept spending more and more when the United fans protested and now they're selling. The arsenal protests resulted in them giving Arteta massive backing and didn't Liverpool fans force out Hicks?

ENIC won't spend more. They won't sell.

I appreciate the points you're making. They don't work for us. I'm sorry.

Albertbarich · Jan 1, 2023

Stoof said:
ENIC won't spend more. They won't sell.

I appreciate the points you're making. They don't work for us. I'm sorry.

We gotta try something mate surely?

Gassin's finest · Jan 1, 2023

DarwinSpur said:
I'm sorry I know things are shit right now but this is ridiculous. Since Enic took over fully in 2006 we've managed to close the gaping chasm that opened up between us and the Top 4 in the 20 years before they took over. To accuse Enic of sucking the soul out of "our great club" which was mired in shit since the early 90's is just ludicrous.

We're still in Tottenham. In a World Class stadium. And - despite the shit last few months - still attracting the so called elite managers and world cup winning players.

Sure Enic out and fresh blood and all that but jeessuusss...

10 years before Enic took over, in 2001, we were finishing 3rd and winning FA Cups. 20 years before we were consistently one of the most successful clubs in England. Also, the top 4 didn't exist, as the modern qualifying format for Europe didn't exist until UEFA restructured the European Cup into the Champions League in the mid 90s.

ENIC rescued us from the dirge that was Sugar... A man who somehow gets lauded on the telly as a business genius, but in actual fact is just a grifter. So I'll always thank them for that.

kendoddsdadsdogsdead · Jan 1, 2023

fishhhandaricecake said:
I don’t actually agree with that mate, #notogattuso stopped us hiring him
Protests after and during Nuno time influenced his sacking and the hiring of conte as Levy and the board could see the fans were turning on the board

Protests against owners have made a difference at Man.U, Arsenal, Liverpool etc

Also I doubt constant protests would do much good PR for Levy/ENIC, the value of the club and it could make uncle joe take note of the protests are big enough and serious enough.

We won’t know unless we try and it’s been 20 years of rinse and repeat and sucking the soul out of our great football club, we owe it to the club to speak up and try, so so many now are finally waking up and smelling the coffee when it comes to Levy meddling on the football side and leading this constant cycle of hire and fire and poor player recruitment and a mess of a plan and chopping and changing of strategy on the football side.

Enough is enough.

It can definitely make a difference, whoever is saying it can’t is getting nervous on behalf of ENIC. We’re no different or special than any other club it’s made a difference at

fishhhandaricecake · Jan 1, 2023

Albertbarich said:
No but the protests can absolutely be effective.

The glaziers kept spending more and more when the United fans protested and now they're selling. The arsenal protests resulted in them giving Arteta massive backing and didn't Liverpool fans force out Hicks?

Exactly this.

If nothing else it can’t make things any worse.

cookiemonster · Jan 1, 2023

Nine while nine said:
The last straw for some was the failure to back Pochettino properly.
The last straw for others was bringing Mourinho in.
The last straw for others still was the sacrifice of a cup to save a few million on Mourinho's sacking.
The last straw for others still was the shambles that led to Nuno coming in.
And if Conte goes, with Levy having failed to back him adequately, then that will be the last straw for a fair number of the rest, me included.

But what then?

Surely, he'll bring Poch back, as you say. But let's say Pochettino fails, or he fails to back Pochettino properly, or the DOF and Pochettino don't get on, what then? Where else can Levy go? He can't bring back a favoured son, because that will have failed. He won't be able to appoint a winner because we all know winners don't win under Levy. He can't appoint yet another project manager. Surely, that will have to be curtains for him.

If Levy's half as astute as he thinks he is, he'll realise rehiring Poch is the last chance saloon. In which case, why rush into it? Why not just back Conte and give himself a bit longer before we have to crack open the boxes of torches and pitchforks. Who knows, if he backs Conte, Spurs might actually win something and then we'll be able to put the effigies back into storage. It's not as if they take up much room anyway.

The last straw was Frazier Campbell for Berbatov

The last straw was Saha & Nelsen because he wanted to save a few Bob on Gary Cahill

The last straw was spending zero in 3 transfer window

The last straw was not wanting to pat Mane's wages and signing Sissoko instead

The last straw was playing games with Villa over Jack Grealish

The last straw was Joe Rodon instead of Milan Skriniar

The last straw was appoint Ryan Mason before a cup final

The last straw was appointing Nuno

The last straw was wanting to buy young players with low wages

fishhhandaricecake · Jan 1, 2023

kendoddsdadsdogsdead said:
It can definitely make a difference, whoever is saying it can’t is getting nervous on behalf of ENIC. We’re no different or special than any other club it’s made a difference at

I agree mate, I just hope in a way it gets bad enough on the pitch for the pitch folks to seriously come out for Levy off it, it would be worth the long term benefit if so, otherwise we are stuck in this horrible messy cycle forever until Levy goes.

fishhhandaricecake · Jan 1, 2023

cookiemonster said:
The last straw was Frazier Campbell for Berbatov

The last straw was Saha & Nelsen because he wanted to save a few Bob on Gary Cahill

The last straw was spending zero in 3 transfer window

The last straw was not wanting to pat Mane's wages and signing Sissoko instead

The last straw was playing games with Villa over Jack Grealish

The last straw was Joe Rodon instead of Milan Skriniar

The last straw was appoint ingredients Ryan Mason before a cup final

The last straw was appointing Nuno

The last straw was wanting to buy young players with low wages

Great post ?

Stoof · Jan 1, 2023

Albertbarich said:
We gotta try something mate surely?

I don't disagree - they won't sell for less than they value. There's no pressure on them to sell unless gate receipts drop - which they never will - tourists flock to go to see the Premier League product in London.

The pressure on everything financial at the moment, the sanctions on anything to do with Russian money means there's a shortage of oligarchs! Oil is good at the moment, and the Emirates sports-washed themselves fantastically during the WC. So maybe that is our hope. Broker a deal with an oil-rich state!

13VanDerBale13 · Jan 1, 2023

Are there any actual Enic backers still out there ?

Stoof · Jan 1, 2023

kendoddsdadsdogsdead said:
It can definitely make a difference, whoever is saying it can’t is getting nervous on behalf of ENIC. We’re no different or special than any other club it’s made a difference at

I'm not getting nervous on behalf of ENIC. But you're saying "protest" - what does that achieve? Genuinely? What protest is going to make them go "oh actually, you know what, this fanbase that has pretty much detested me for the last 10 years is now being really mean to me, I mean I still have a capacity stadium that consumes an insane amount of food and beer and a property development that is extremely profitable, but Darren and Steve called me a ****".

Like, literally, what is the endgame.

I'd like to know as I think all Spurs fans are united behind this - but I'm just being practical.

danielneeds · Jan 1, 2023

The chances of ENIC putting us up for sale while Liverpool and United are on the market is absolutely zilch. Everyone with the money for these deals won’t give us a serious look while those two are up for grabs.

Gassin's finest · Jan 1, 2023

The final straw for me was putting staff on furlough and then joining the ESL. Ultimate confirmation that they're tight money grubbers first and foremost.

But whatever, really. There's clubs going into administration, so us floating around top 6 isn't any kind of problem at all in relative terms.

cjsimba · Jan 2, 2023

I don’t think ENIC will sell anytime soon.

The best we can hope for is Levy gets removed/reallocated and VL or another gets put in his place, and hopefully they are a bit more loose with the purse strings.

Protests could help speed up that outcome?

DarwinSpur · Jan 2, 2023

Gassin's finest said:
10 years before Enic took over, in 2001, we were finishing 3rd and winning FA Cups. 20 years before we were consistently one of the most successful clubs in England. Also, the top 4 didn't exist, as the modern qualifying format for Europe didn't exist until UEFA restructured the European Cup into the Champions League in the mid 90s.

ENIC rescued us from the dirge that was Sugar... A man who somehow gets lauded on the telly as a business genius, but in actual fact is just a grifter. So I'll always thank them for that.

In 1991 we finished 10th.

In 1992 we finished 15th.

In 2001 we finished 12th.

My entire Spurs were pretty shit until Martin Jol and Enic started turning things around.

Sure they missed massive opportunities and their time might be up but to say they "sucked the soul out of this great club" is just ridiculous hyperbole. I remember the bad times.

Gassin's finest · Jan 2, 2023

DarwinSpur said:
In 1991 we finished 10th.

In 1992 we finished 15th.

In 2001 we finished 12th.

My entire Spurs were pretty shit until Martin Jol and Enic started turning things around.

Sure they missed massive opportunities and their time might be up but to say they "sucked the soul out of this great club" is just ridiculous hyperbole. I remember the bad times.

91 we won the FA Cup. 90 we finished 3rd.

I don't disagree with the sentiment of ENIC in comparison to Sugar, but the semantics are wrong.

legion · Jan 2, 2023

DarwinSpur said:
In 1991 we finished 10th.

In 1992 we finished 15th.

In 2001 we finished 12th.

My entire Spurs were pretty shit until Martin Jol and Enic started turning things around.

Sure they missed massive opportunities and their time might be up but to say they "sucked the soul out of this great club" is just ridiculous hyperbole. I remember the bad times.

It's 2023. Not 1998

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