spursfan1991
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The hypocrites will continue to cry on a football show though.
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Trix
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Yeah but they haven't dropped their stance, have they. They've just decided the course of action they were going to take is now not the correct one, and they are still talking about it to the press and via social media. People going on like they've u turned on their beliefs and they haven't. They are not politicians or activists they are footballers, and they are still pushing a positive line regarding inclusivity, just not in the way they had planned.
RuskyM
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Agreed, everything should stay the same forever because individuals can’t fix every problem at once.
fishhhandaricecake
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Exactly how I feel bang on mate! ?
dudu
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And they can do that, which is completely their choice. But after all the talk and press they got about doing it, only to not because they are worried about what might happen, kind of makes the talk mean less to me. Like you say, they are not politicians or activists, but many kinda choose to be when it suits them and their brand to be. They made me think, with their chat about wearing the armband, that they were going to stand up and actually be counted over something more important than football but in the end, they decided not to and I think it is fair to criticize as no one forced them to say anything in the first place.
Trix
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And they clearly did that to try and put pressure on Fifa to allow it. There is a reason Fifa have waited until the morning of the game to say they won't, because they'd have spent the last few months taking flak for it.
I've seen numerous posts online of fans saying they turned up in rainbow t-shirts, hats etc, and they were all made to take them off before they could go in. I haven't seen one saying they refused to take them off and instead missed the games.
Tucker
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I have, was posted a couple of pages back. He refused to take his rainbow t-shirt off, and eventually after being held in custody for like an hour they just let him in.
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This is the crux of it for me. Southgate and Kane have used the one love armband as a shield to deflect from the bad press surrounding the world cup, and to deselect from legitimate questions about whether England should be attending the tournament at all. The Welsh manager Robert Page has been doing the same.
Southgate in particular likes to go on about how the players are principled etc etc. Making a statement or a protest means nothing if you aren’t willing to accept a little push back from those you are making the statement against. If they really cared about the message they wouldn’t let something as paltry as a booking get in their way, would they?
They‘re all cowards. And they’ve bottled this massively.
dudu
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They are quite different and I'm sure you understand the nuance between the two, but in either situation people can't be surprised if they are seen to be virtue signalling if they don't follow through with things they say they are going to do because of some personal inconvenience to them.
You know what really have put pressure on FIFA.... Following through and making an actual statement.
I do get your point, but it doesn't change how I feel about the situation. It is easy to say the right things but when it comes to crunch time, I don't trust these people to follow through.
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SirHarryHotspur
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Despite all the controversy surrounding this world cup , 9.4 million audience for Wales v USA is pretty decent..
World Cup 2022: Wales match beats England game in TV ratings
An average audience of 9.4 million watched the Wales match, while 7.4 million watched England.
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fishhhandaricecake
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Saudi.A were 500-1 to beat Argentina after Messi had scored!
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Former Danish Prime Minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt did it !! ... Rainbow at the stadium in Qatar ? ... how did she do it ?
More at stake than a yellow card
The former Danish Prime Minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt has chosen to defy FIFA's ban on wearing rainbow armbands.
Helle Thorning-Schmidt who is chair of DBU's Governance and Development Committee, is in Qatar to represent DBU (Danish FA) in connection with the World Cup .
She herself has not commented on whether her outfit is a signal to FIFA and, not least, Qatar, who have been strongly criticized for their views on human rights up to the World Cup.
Link in Danish... But the picture says it all.
sport.tv2.dk
More at stake than a yellow card
The former Danish Prime Minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt has chosen to defy FIFA's ban on wearing rainbow armbands.
Helle Thorning-Schmidt who is chair of DBU's Governance and Development Committee, is in Qatar to represent DBU (Danish FA) in connection with the World Cup .
She herself has not commented on whether her outfit is a signal to FIFA and, not least, Qatar, who have been strongly criticized for their views on human rights up to the World Cup.
Link in Danish... But the picture says it all.
Helle Thorning ankom til VM-kamp iført regnbuefarver
Mandag besluttede det danske fodboldlandshold at droppe omdiskuteret regnbuearmbind efter advarsler fra FIFA.
sport.tv2.dk
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brasil_spur
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At least one of the England footballers in Qatar had the balls to wear the One Love armband, shame it was one that actually doesn't have any balls though....
Yid-ol
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Also she doesn't have the threat of any action taken against her! So easier for her to do it.
And that's not a dig at her, I'm glad she wore it, but different circumstances to the men team.
nailsy
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That's not really true as they've been constantly asked during interviews what action they were planning to take. If they'd said nothing they would have been criticised so they had to say something.
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According to fox right now, there has been 101 minutes of stoppage time in the FIRST 7 MATCHES. At this rate games will be about 2 1/2hours long!
brasil_spur
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She's a woman in Qatar openly supporting LGBTQ+, that's pretty risky.
brasil_spur
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Surely then: "we're unsure if we will be able to wear armbands in support of LGBTQ+ due to potential sanctions that may be applied against our players if we do so. Our intention is to wear them, but if the sanctions are seen as unreasonable we will not be asking our players to wear armbands, it will then be their own choosing".
That not only shows the level which in reality they were prepared to go to show support but also shows that the sanctions are unreasonable.
The whole thing was badly handled IMO. As was Dier talking about the banning of alcohol from stadiums. I wouldn't personally be bothered about it, but the point is not that they decided against alcohol it's the timing of it.
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