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The hypocrites will continue to cry on a football show though.
Yeah but they haven't dropped their stance, have they. They've just decided the course of action they were going to take is now not the correct one, and they are still talking about it to the press and via social media. People going on like they've u turned on their beliefs and they haven't. They are not politicians or activists they are footballers, and they are still pushing a positive line regarding inclusivity, just not in the way they had planned.Everyone who had a choice to stand up for something they have been virtue signalling about for the last few months/years who dropped nuts at the threat of a yellow card.
Agreed, everything should stay the same forever because individuals can’t fix every problem at once.The hypocrites will continue to cry on a football show though.
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Exactly how I feel bang on mate! ?Yeah but they haven't dropped their stance, have they. They've just decided the course of action they were going to take is now not the correct one, and they are still talking about it to the press and via social media. People going on like they've u turned on their beliefs and they haven't. They are not politicians or activists they are footballers, and they are still pushing a positive line regarding inclusivity, just not in the way they had planned.
Yeah but they haven't dropped their stance, have they. They've just decided the course of action they were going to take is now not the correct one, and they are still talking about it to the press and via social media. People going on like they've u turned on their beliefs and they haven't. They are not politicians or activists they are footballers, and they are still pushing a positive line regarding inclusivity, just not in the way they had planned.
And they clearly did that to try and put pressure on Fifa to allow it. There is a reason Fifa have waited until the morning of the game to say they won't, because they'd have spent the last few months taking flak for it.And they can do that, which is completely their choice. But after all the talk and press they got about doing it, only to not because they are worried about what might happen, kind of makes the talk mean less to me. Like you say, they are not politicians or activists, but many kinda choose to be when it suits them and their brand to be. They made me think, with their chat about wearing the armband, that they were going to stand up and actually be counted over something more important than football but in the end, they decided not to and I think it is fair to criticize as no one forced them to say anything in the first place.
I have, was posted a couple of pages back. He refused to take his rainbow t-shirt off, and eventually after being held in custody for like an hour they just let him in.And they clearly did that to try and put pressure on Fifa to allow it. There is a reason Fifa have waited until the morning of the game to say they won't, because they'd have spent the last few months taking flak for it.
I've seen numerous posts online of fans saying they turned up in rainbow t-shirts, hats etc, and they were all made to take them off before they could go in. I haven't seen one saying they refused to take them off and instead missed the games.
This is the crux of it for me. Southgate and Kane have used the one love armband as a shield to deflect from the bad press surrounding the world cup, and to deselect from legitimate questions about whether England should be attending the tournament at all. The Welsh manager Robert Page has been doing the same.And they can do that, which is completely their choice. But after all the talk and press they got about doing it, only to not because they are worried about what might happen, kind of makes the talk mean less to me. Like you say, they are not politicians or activists, but many kinda choose to be when it suits them and their brand to be. They made me think, with their chat about wearing the armband, that they were going to stand up and actually be counted over something more important than football but in the end, they decided not to and I think it is fair to criticize as no one forced them to say anything in the first place.
And they clearly did that to try and put pressure on Fifa to allow it. There is a reason Fifa have waited until the morning of the game to say they won't, because they'd have spent the last few months taking flak for it.
I've seen numerous posts online of fans saying they turned up in rainbow t-shirts, hats etc, and they were all made to take them off before they could go in. I haven't seen one saying they refused to take them off and instead missed the games.
Also she doesn't have the threat of any action taken against her! So easier for her to do it.At least one of the England footballers in Qatar had the balls to wear the One Love armband, shame it was one that actually doesn't have any balls though....
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And they can do that, which is completely their choice. But after all the talk and press they got about doing it, only to not because they are worried about what might happen, kind of makes the talk mean less to me. Like you say, they are not politicians or activists, but many kinda choose to be when it suits them and their brand to be. They made me think, with their chat about wearing the armband, that they were going to stand up and actually be counted over something more important than football but in the end, they decided not to and I think it is fair to criticize as no one forced them to say anything in the first place.
She's a woman in Qatar openly supporting LGBTQ+, that's pretty risky.Also she doesn't have the threat of any action taken against her! So easier for her to do it.
And that's not a dig at her, I'm glad she wore it, but different circumstances to the men team.
Surely then: "we're unsure if we will be able to wear armbands in support of LGBTQ+ due to potential sanctions that may be applied against our players if we do so. Our intention is to wear them, but if the sanctions are seen as unreasonable we will not be asking our players to wear armbands, it will then be their own choosing".That's not really true as they've been constantly asked during interviews what action they were planning to take. If they'd said nothing they would have been criticised so they had to say something.