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Oh Teddy Teddy

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I am guessing Mercedes ran a heavy tank this morning or sandbagging? As they are still a bit behind the leaders.

They do this every year. I don’t for a second believe this is their real pace. For one thing they all seem far too calm about how off the pace they looked…
 

Yid-ol

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They do this every year. I don’t for a second believe this is their real pace. For one thing they all seem far too calm about how off the pace they looked…

Yeah, which is why everyone expects them to be quicker come race days. I do think they are struggling with the car bouncing though, which might still make the Ferrari the faster car, if they fix that I think they will win the high speed tracks but be closer on the more tighter and twisty circuits.
 

Oh Teddy Teddy

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Yeah, which is why everyone expects them to be quicker come race days. I do think they are struggling with the car bouncing though, which might still make the Ferrari the faster car, if they fix that I think they will win the high speed tracks but be closer on the more tighter and twisty circuits.

Would love to see Ferrari (and McLaren) compete.

Leclerc taking on Verstappen would be even better than last year’s battle.
 

Yid-ol

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Would love to see Ferrari (and McLaren) compete.

Leclerc taking on Verstappen would be even better than last year’s battle.
It would be good if 4 or 5 teams are really in the fight this season. Only way it might get back some of the fans and creditability for the sport again that was lost last year.
 

tobi

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I like the new FOM graphics, it'll be a revolution if a manufacturer can produce suitable cameras that can upgrade the onboard stuff and other alternative angles (camera's in the curbs etc).

Good start in HDR
 

Bluto Blutarsky

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I think one worry for Mercedes will be if the issues are in the engine - given the freeze will lock in engine performance for a few years. If they are behind the Ferrari and Red Bull/Honda - that is an issue that will linger.
 

skiba

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I think one worry for Mercedes will be if the issues are in the engine - given the freeze will lock in engine performance for a few years. If they are behind the Ferrari and Red Bull/Honda - that is an issue that will linger.

Not sure the engine is their biggest problem at the minute.

All cars this year are struggling with the bouncing due to the downforce now coming from the floor rather than the wings. Ferrari and red Bull seem to have got on top of this (interestingly, Adrien Newey was in F1 before ground effect downforce was banned) whereas Mercedes are still really struggling with it. Lots of drivers and pundits also seem to be observing that they are struggling with the rear in the corners.
 

Delboy75

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Wow just seen the Mercedes bouncing down the straight looks almost undriveable for a whole GP. Physically could you endure that shaking for 2 hours.
 

Rocksuperstar

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Wow just seen the Mercedes bouncing down the straight looks almost undriveable for a whole GP. Physically could you endure that shaking for 2 hours.

That looks like tremendous fun for maybe a hundred yards, then I'd just park. Wasn't just the Mercedes though, and how finely tuned those things are, that must feel like a fairground ride. I do wonder how much of the Mercedes actual performance we've seen though, I really wouldn't be shocked to see it come out and slay in qualifying, they do employ wizards.

Ferrari looks incredible, you can see a ton of work must've gone into that car. I'm not a Ferrari fan boy, but it's great to see them back looking actually competitive again.

Quietly impressed with Haas as well, considering how much of a shake up they've had. Kevin's bought some lucky charms with him or, I dunno, maybe he's just much more fun to have around than a Russian ballerina.
 

Yid-ol

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That looks like tremendous fun for maybe a hundred yards, then I'd just park. Wasn't just the Mercedes though, and how finely tuned those things are, that must feel like a fairground ride. I do wonder how much of the Mercedes actual performance we've seen though, I really wouldn't be shocked to see it come out and slay in qualifying, they do employ wizards.

Ferrari looks incredible, you can see a ton of work must've gone into that car. I'm not a Ferrari fan boy, but it's great to see them back looking actually competitive again.

Quietly impressed with Haas as well, considering how much of a shake up they've had. Kevin's bought some lucky charms with him or, I dunno, maybe he's just much more fun to have around than a Russian ballerina.

I was wondering if they have been running heavy? As they probably think they have the speed with the no side pod design and we seen last year they were normally good at qualifying but come race time red bull tended to catch back up on pace then. So more practice at race weight for them might have been the plan.

I do think they are struggling a bit and with the last minute change after the first practice runs they are playing catch up.
 

Bluto Blutarsky

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I don't think Mercedes are "sandbagging" or running heavy, or running a turned down engine mode.

They are simply behind the Red Bulls, and probably Ferrari, right now.


These are Toto's comments:


"Wolff was still adamant that his record-breaking team will claw back performance over this 23-race campaign, even if the Silver Arrows don’t have a silver bullet right now.

READ MORE: Russell says Mercedes 'a long way off' as Hamilton warns 'longer term fix' needed after early Bahrain running

“Again, purely based on assumption that we’ve seen on pace, I don’t think we can match the leaders’ performance at the moment. I personally believe there are simple solutions to get the performance back, that will start to crystallise, and it’s 23 races.

“Even if you lose a race or two and you end up outside of the podium, nobody is protected from DNFs or crashes in a way, and we’ve seen last year – they played a big role – so we’ll give it whatever we can, bring updates as quickly as we can and understand the car more and try to find performance.”
 

Bluto Blutarsky

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Formula 1: 'Human error' responsible for incorrect application of rules in Abu Dhabi



Results obviously stand - but this is the clearest indication yet that rules were not applied properly last year.
 

Bluto Blutarsky

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“Even if you lose a race or two and you end up outside of the podium, nobody is protected from DNFs or crashes in a way, and we’ve seen last year – they played a big role – so we’ll give it whatever we can, bring updates as quickly as we can and understand the car more and try to find performance.”

This is interesting in light of some of the reliability issues that are creeping in to the cars already. Two cars have already used 2 of their allotted engine parts (not complete engines) - including Red Bull on Perez' car - before the first race.

Seems like you should get a freebie change if its before the first race...
 

Rocksuperstar

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While I don't want to sound like a gore or one of them fans who watches just to see the crashes, I will be really interested how that Mercedes copes with a collision. It looks a bit "rampy" in the middle which I appreciate isn't a common place to connect in a collision, but where all the other teams have worked reinforcements for the driver into their side pods, despite watching a couple of videos on it, I still don't see anywhere to build the same sort of protection into the Merc in that shape.

I'm not an engineer - all it will take is for someone who knows what they're looking at to tell me it's legit, I'll buy that, but all I find is videos talking about how radical it is, how different it is, how they've managed to make it within the rules, but nobody has actually said if it's safe.
 

tobi

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Formula 1: 'Human error' responsible for incorrect application of rules in Abu Dhabi



Results obviously stand - but this is the clearest indication yet that rules were not applied properly last year.
It was so obvious this would be the final verdict, the report being released during the opening weekend of the new season is ridiculous.

Despite him being a worthy champion, this taints Max's win, the driver doesn't deserve this but...
 
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