Joachim Andersen

Pebble Dash · Jul 1, 2021

BringBack_leGin said:
In fairness, those are three very good centre backs who would all improve us too, especially the latter two (I think Christensen probably gets picked in part because of who he plays for at club level).

I like Andersen, even in a poor side he looked good, he’s very comfortable on the ball with either foot and he’s a big fucker. Would need a partner with a bit of pace but our best CB combination in living memory had not much pace at all so it’s all about how he reads the game and how the side is set up. If we’re looking at him and the fella from Bologna, it’s at least fairly consistent in the type we’re targeting (though TT appears to be quick).

In a deep-lying back 4 the centre backs can get away without having any pace but in a back 3 they tend to play higher up the pitch… having no pace in the back 3 is a disaster in the making. The likes of Liverpool, City and Utd will just play the ball over the top and we’ll be left scrambling to get back. You can mitigate this by having quick and strong wingbacks ala Walker as they can get back to bail the CB’s out but we currently don’t have pace and power in our full/wing back positions.

spursfan77 · Jul 1, 2021

I’m not really convinced by him. He seems to have been on the club’s radar for a while. Not sure if that’s a good or bad thing.

snakehipsspurs · Jul 1, 2021

I don't think this is a goer anymore. Felt like a Hitchen potential signing and if we're getting Tomiyasu, that ticks the cheap, non-HG CB spot that Andersen was potentially going to fill.

spids · Jul 1, 2021

Pebble Dash said:
In a deep-lying back 4 the centre backs can get away without having any pace but in a back 3 they tend to play higher up the pitch… having no pace in the back 3 is a disaster in the making. The likes of Liverpool, City and Utd will just play the ball over the top and we’ll be left scrambling to get back. You can mitigate this by having quick and strong wingbacks ala Walker as they can get back to bail the CB’s out but we currently don’t have pace and power in our full/wing back positions.

Under Nuno Wolves back three played quite deep and rarely pushed up to a high line. Even in possession they sit quite deep

Whazam · Jul 1, 2021

I watched him a couple of times last season and in some games he was phenomenal, but in a few other games he made mistakes that immediately made me think of things either Sanchez or Dier would do. Since I've seen the two of them do many phenomenal performances as well, but I realize we desperately need an upgrade on them, the link to Andersen makes me very nervous.

For the people who have watched him more closely than me, is he prone to mistakes, or is my worry about him being more of what we've already have unwarranted?

Aphex · Jul 1, 2021

We need a Skriniar level of signing at CB plus one other. Not two cheapy options.

coy-spurs1882 · Jul 1, 2021

Aphex said:
We need a Skriniar level of signing at CB plus one other. Not two cheapy options.

But you know which one would levy choose

Pebble Dash · Jul 1, 2021

spids said:
Under Nuno Wolves back three played quite deep and rarely pushed up to a high line. Even in possession they sit quite deep

And they were dull as hell to watch and offered next to nothing going forward.

yankspurs · Jul 1, 2021

coy-spurs1882 said:
But you know which one would levy choose

Sadly yes. But one option actually improves us. The other replaces shit with shit

mil1lion · Jul 1, 2021

Aphex said:
We need a Skriniar level of signing at CB plus one other. Not two cheapy options.

I wouldn't focus too much on cost. Hojbjerg was our best signing last summer. I dont know enough about Andersen and Tomiyasu but our best signings have always been cheaper ones with potential. No more Ndombele ones for me , Paratici needs to unearth the next Skriniar before they are too expensive.

yankspurs · Jul 1, 2021

mil1lion said:
I wouldn't focus too much on cost. Hojbjerg was our best signing last summer. I dont know enough about Andersen and Tomiyasu but our best signings have always been cheaper ones with potential. No more Ndombele ones for me , Paratici needs to unearth the next Skriniar before they are too expensive.

Andersen is 25. A year younger than Skriniar. Its not like hes 22 or 23 with a ways to go. He’s a mostly finished article by now. He would probably be our 3rd CB if we really wanted to do anything. As our #1 choice? Yikes. If you dont intend on signing actual quality this summer, then Kane must be sold. No point in keeping him.

Aphex · Jul 1, 2021

yankspurs said:
Andersen is 25. A year younger than Skriniar. Its not like hes 22 or 23 with a ways to go. He’s a mostly finished article by now. At best he’d be our 3rd CB if we really wanted to do anything. As our #1 choice? Yikes.

Exactly. At the end of the day if we want to properly compete, we would sign Skriniar. But we all know, to dare is too dear, so we will go for two low cost options where there is more risk attached to them not working out and we continue to have a flaky defence for the forseeable.

The low risk higher cost option, is to go for proven talent like Skriniar, to transform our defence. Just like Liverpool did with VVD and United did with Maguire...but of course we won't.

I genuinely would pump the majority of our money into one top CB rather than two cheaper ones. Yes ok if he gets injured it means we are a bit stuffed, but if he stays fit it means we are much stronger.

yankspurs · Jul 1, 2021

Aphex said:
Exactly. At the end of the day if we want to properly compete, we would sign Skriniar. But we all know, to dare is too dear, so we will go for two low cost options where there is more risk attached to them not working out and we continue to have a flaky defence for the forseeable.

The low risk higher cost option, is to go for proven talent like Skriniar, to transform our defence. Just like Liverpool did with VVD and United did with Maguire...but of course we won't.

I genuinely would pump the majority of our money into one top CB rather than two cheaper ones. Yes ok if he gets injured it means we are a bit stuffed, but if he stays fit it means we are much stronger.

Absolutely. Sign Andersen & Tomiyasu for 50m or sign Skriniar for around there. I know which one I choose. Unfortunately, we all know this club. We should just sell Kane & rebuild with more money if we dont intend on doing anything to improve this summer. That extra 50-75m on him could actually sign a great player. Sell Kane for 175m, sign 3 quality players, get 5th & have some promise. Or keep Kane, dont invest, get 7th again, sell him for 100m and be stuck again.

Pebble Dash · Jul 1, 2021

mil1lion said:
I wouldn't focus too much on cost. Hojbjerg was our best signing last summer. I dont know enough about Andersen and Tomiyasu but our best signings have always been cheaper ones with potential. No more Ndombele ones for me , Paratici needs to unearth the next Skriniar before they are too expensive.

There’s a key difference between Skriniar and a couple of our expensive signings in Janssen and Ndomblele.

Skriniar has 5 years experience of playing in top flight football and has been a member of a very strong Inter side for the last 4 years.

Whereas both Janssen and Ndombele came from lower league football and only had 1-2 years exposure to top flight football. They both struggled with the physical demands of the EPL resulting in Janssen rarely featuring and being sold, whereas Ndombele’s 1st season was a complete right off and even his 2nd season wasn’t great as he still struggles with poor fitness levels.

Signing Skriniar for good money is much safer than signing players with a similar background to Janssen and Ndombele.

Aphex · Jul 1, 2021

yankspurs said:
Absolutely. Sign Andersen & Tomiyasu for 50m or sign Skriniar for around there. I know which one I choose. Unfortunately, we all know this club. We should just sell Kane & rebuild with more money if we dont intend on doing anything to improve this summer. That extra 50-75m on him could actually sign a great player. Sell Kane for 175m, sign 3 quality players, get 5th & have some promise. Or keep Kane, dont invest, get 7th again, sell him for 100m and be stuck again.

Yep, completely sick of this club under Levy. We've hired a manager who won't kick up a fuss if we don't show much ambition, we all know instead of signing some top talent, we will take punts on low cost options, and with our recruitment record, let's just say I won't be getting excited.

It really isn't rocket science on how to improve our defence, but it takes a bit of ambition to sign Skriniar and be done with it. All it takes is for Andersen to sign and be a bit of a donkey, and we are left with Tomiyasu as a signing who may or may not workout, but with a lot of questiom marks.

Just sign Skriniar and be done with it! Nothing against cheap punts but let's prioritise quality over price for once!

Aphex · Jul 1, 2021

mil1lion said:
I wouldn't focus too much on cost. Hojbjerg was our best signing last summer. I dont know enough about Andersen and Tomiyasu but our best signings have always been cheaper ones with potential. No more Ndombele ones for me , Paratici needs to unearth the next Skriniar before they are too expensive.

PEH had one year left on his contract, so his price was irelevant. If he was fully contracted up he'd have cost much more. Players like PEH still cost a fair bit of money otherwise. We should prioritise talent over cost, and what do you mean no more Ndombeles? Just because one may or may not work out, you can still see that there is often a direct correlation with price and quality, GLC and Tanguy are clearly are most talented midfielders on the ball, it is why the richest clubs are often on top because they buy the most expensive players.

Taking punts on cheaper players will get us nowhere fast, unless we have a Leicester/Liverpool type recruitment record, and let's be honest, we are nowhere near.

BringBack_leGin · Jul 1, 2021

I remember when people said signing Toby was just an attempt to get in someone cheap without paying for quality. He then was the best defender in the league that season as we had our best ever season in the premier league to that point.

Not saying Andersen is Toby class, but the guy just had a really good season and displayed a lot of the characteristics we lack. And ultimately, right now that’s what we need, we need to incrementally improve wherever we can in the side and regardless of what his fee would be, there’s every reason to believe that our defence would be better with him than the centre backs we currently have.

I’m more excited by the link to the Japanese kid as he looks like a Rolls Royce but what he doesn’t have is a season performing well in this league behind him.

BringBack_leGin · Jul 1, 2021

Aphex said:
Taking punts on cheaper players will get us nowhere fast, unless we have a Leicester/Liverpool type recruitment record, and let's be honest, we are nowhere near.

It’s actually exactly what did get us to the top 3 teams in the country over a significant period, and it’s abandoning that model to hold out for what we deemed ‘ready madei’ that led to our decline as the ready made players we brought in had hit a ceiling lower than that which so many of our ‘cheap punts’ hit.

yankspurs · Jul 1, 2021

Aphex said:
Yep, completely sick of this club under Levy. We've hired a manager who won't kick up a fuss if we don't show much ambition, we all know instead of signing some top talent, we will take punts on low cost options, and with our recruitment record, let's just say I won't be getting excited.

It really isn't rocket science on how to improve our defence, but it takes a bit of ambition to sign Skriniar and be done with it. All it takes is for Andersen to sign and be a bit of a donkey, and we are left with Tomiyasu as a signing who may or may not workout, but with a lot of questiom marks.

Just sign Skriniar and be done with it! Nothing against cheap punts but let's prioritise quality over price for once!

Levy hired a manager who will only kick up a fuss if he doesnt get why Mendes wants because Mendes told him to. Its all so depressing

BringBack_leGin · Jul 1, 2021

If we can improve on 3/4 positions by a small but tangible amount instead of just 1 or 2 by a perceived large amount (remember, fee guarantees nothing), then we’ll be better off in my opinion.

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