Premier League officially postponed until 17th of June

Deleted member 27995 · May 4, 2020

The greed of man. What a light it shines on modern football.

Fucked if this doesn't lessen my interest in sport as a whole moving forward.

ComfortablyNumb · May 4, 2020

mil1lion said:
If the rate of infection comes down enough then it should be ok with or without a vaccine. It's not like people don't die from seasonal flu every year. It comes down to what is deemed a manageable infection rate and what doesn't overwhelm the NHS. Plus if they get good enough results from a drug that helps people recover things will start to pick up again. A vaccine isn't the be all end all, by the time one comes out it may not be needed too much because we may already be over the worst of it.

I think you are confusing rate and absolute numbers. The rate of infection is low because of lockdown. As soon as you relax any part of lockdown, we can expect the rate to rise again. The rate now is almost irrelevant.

Mr Pink · May 4, 2020

dudu said:
IF they start the season again behind closed doors and have no relegation I don't see the point at all.

With European football not even a cert for next year for anyone there is literally nothing for anyone to play for except Liverpool.

Pointless games in silent stadiums for what reason?

There is no integrity in playing the games in that way. If the club's need to make money then thats fine but then let's call a spade a spade.

Totally agree.

They might as well label this what it really is...get the season finished, any way will do, to avoid huge repayments to the broadcasters.

NickHSpurs · May 4, 2020

dudu said:
IF they start the season again behind closed doors and have no relegation I don't see the point at all.

With European football not even a cert for next year for anyone there is literally nothing for anyone to play for except Liverpool.

Pointless games in silent stadiums for what reason?

There is no integrity in playing the games in that way. If the club's need to make money then thats fine but then let's call a spade a spade.

TV money plays a huge part unfortunately mate.

Mr Pink · May 4, 2020

NickHSpurs said:
TV money plays a huge part unfortunately mate.

It does mate but the integrity of the competition is gone. No relegation, whoever has more of the these Clubs with nothing to play for would be at a big advantage for European places.

Riandor · May 4, 2020

Mr Pink said:
It does mate but the integrity of the competition is gone. No relegation, whoever has more of the these Clubs with nothing to play for would be at a big advantage for European places.

Goes both ways.
Clubs who can’t be relegated can also play with a freedom, they don’t have the fight knocked out of them, or worry and stress on them as relegation looms, providing the psychological edge as they have to win to have a chance of staying up and take more and more risks.

I don’t like the idea of playing these games at all, this is only to satisfy tv commitments and the government is only pushing this because they think the public needs the distraction.

coys200 · May 4, 2020

If UEFA seriously think they can run a complete CL and EL next season they are utterly deluded. Look at Russia now just about to go into the worst of it. And they will already be months behind. CL quails normally start in July.

thekneaf · May 4, 2020

Mr Pink said:
It does mate but the integrity of the competition is gone. No relegation, whoever has more of the these Clubs with nothing to play for would be at a big advantage for European places.

Or, we're 8th so finish the season now and we're bust anyway so this would be a free hit. Then suppose there is no European football next season, Liverpool have won the league anyway so there's nothing to play for in that instance.

Integrity in football, as in virtually anything as any punk band with any success will tell you, is a complete fiction. We don't live in a binary universe of right and wrong, we navigate in space between the two.

If you want a moment when the game went you could pick the first time a player went pro, or the first time an amateur team was formed that poached a player or gave them a job in a different part of the country so they could move their family to play for their team. But then you'd be falling out with the Victorians.

Sum Monsterism · May 4, 2020

inclineyid said:
You've gotta be a bit mental to do every one of our games home and away Jesus, a little enforced break will probably do a person the world of good, silver lining I'd say

chrissivad · May 4, 2020

The only way there shouldn't be relegation, is if the season isn't finished.

If they vote to finish the season, behind closed doors, neutral grounds ect, they are voting to finish the season. That means title winners and relegation.

Maxtremist · May 4, 2020

So they finish the season behind close doors with relegations... but what about the championship? All the plans seemingly keep being focused on the Premier League. So let's say Norwich, Villa and Watford get relegated, the championship would also have to be played behind closed doors too, so we have teams promoted coming up to replace them. Otherwise we have 27 teams in the championship.

So they'd have to plan playing the Championship games behind closed doors. But they'd need teams relegated too, yes? Why would the premier league have relegations and not the championship. Leeds could be playing a team that now can't get relegated cause you've taken that off the table so they can win that easier and get promoted. That's surely not fair right? So you'd need to have the championship finish and have relegations there too... and same for league 1 and same for league 2.

Potentially easier to make a case that no-one from the conference comes up so league 2 relegation is suspended/not happening. Or maybe since Bury went out of business you can double that up by nominating a team from the conference to come up to fill that 92nd slot.

Point is, if we make relegations a thing in the premier league to end this season behind closed doors, surely you'd then have to do the same and finish off the other leagues in England, no?

chrissivad · May 4, 2020

Maxtremist said:
the premier league to end this season behind closed doors, surely you'd then have to do the same and finish off the other leagues in England, no?

They would either have to agree to finish off the season, or finish the season now on a ppg or going back to a round of games where everyone is level on games played.

But I don't think you can finish off a season and not have it count for title winners and relegation.
Why would the teams in the bottom half want to play when there is nothing to play for? All it will be for is to let Liverpool get the title and teams to pick up the TV money. (or not give it back)

Maxtremist · May 4, 2020

chrissivad said:
They would either have to agree to finish off the season, or finish the season now on a ppg or going back to a round of games where everyone is level on games played.

But I don't think you can finish off a season and not have it count for title winners and relegation.
Why would the teams in the bottom half want to play when there is nothing to play for? All it will be for is to let Liverpool get the title and teams to pick up the TV money. (or not give it back)

Looking at Belgium, The Netherlands and France I think it's more the idea that it'd have to be one rule for all in this country. So if the PL keeps pushing and does do behind closed doors games, then the other leagues would have to do it too. If the PL does behind closed doors but the championship does PPG then that'd be even more of a mess and battle in my opinion. Like Leeds get a free pass to come up whereas Watford who were sitting outside the relegation zone had to play behind closed doors and are now relegated?

I agree that if you finish the season then there should be relegations and title winners. What I question/have an issue with is how we can do that for just the PL and not the championship, league 1 and league 2. You can't have one team relegated by finishing a fucked up season whilst another team gets promoted when they haven't finished all their games.

Mr Pink · May 4, 2020

chrissivad said:
The only way there shouldn't be relegation, is if the season isn't finished.

If they vote to finish the season, behind closed doors, neutral grounds ect, they are voting to finish the season. That means title winners and relegation.

Exactly.

Mr Pink · May 4, 2020

Riandor said:
Goes both ways.
Clubs who can’t be relegated can also play with a freedom, they don’t have the fight knocked out of them, or worry and stress on them as relegation looms, providing the psychological edge as they have to win to have a chance of staying up and take more and more risks.

I don’t like the idea of playing these games at all, this is only to satisfy tv commitments and the government is only pushing this because they think the public needs the distraction.

A really motivated side is a different animal imo. How you work off the ball is central to that.

You rather face a side who are scrapping for their lives or one who has fuck all to play for?

I know who I'd pick.

chrissivad · May 4, 2020

Ideally, yes, all the leagues would do the same.
That's why I still belive its silly to even try and finish this season. It just seems a nightmare to try and get everything done.

I also hope no team goes on a pre season tour and play against some local teams. We might even be able to get some fans into watch at that point... But that's a big if.

mil1lion · May 4, 2020

ComfortablyNumb said:
I think you are confusing rate and absolute numbers. The rate of infection is low because of lockdown. As soon as you relax any part of lockdown, we can expect the rate to rise again. The rate now is almost irrelevant.

That's why it will be a phased removal of lockdown measures. Football in an empty stadium at a neutral venue could be one of those things that can return without numbers going up too much. We actually need the infection numbers to be reasonable anyway for more people to get immunity. So while the numbers have dropped because of lockdown the loosening of lockdown needs to be enough to handle. The whole reason for lockdown in the first place is because everyone carried on as normal and the numbers overwhelmed the NHS. The next step after lockdown is to actually do what we should have done from the moment it hit our country. Most people will catch it at some point but limited crowds will help keep it down so we don't get another spike.

NickHSpurs · May 4, 2020

The Premier League are also preparing for the possibility of playing the 2020-21 season without fans.

"The reality is that we just don't know how things are going to pan out," Clarke wrote in a letter to the FA governing council.

"But with social distancing in place for some time to come we do face substantial changes to the whole football ecosystem.

"For example it's hard to foresee crowds of fans - who are the lifeblood of the game - returning to matches any time soon."

'Hard to see fans returning any time soon'

Football Association chairman Greg Clarke says it is hard to see fans returning to matches "any time soon".

www.bbc.co.uk

Yid-ol · May 4, 2020

NickHSpurs said:
The Premier League are also preparing for the possibility of playing the 2020-21 season without fans.

"The reality is that we just don't know how things are going to pan out," Clarke wrote in a letter to the FA governing council.

"But with social distancing in place for some time to come we do face substantial changes to the whole football ecosystem.

"For example it's hard to foresee crowds of fans - who are the lifeblood of the game - returning to matches any time soon."

'Hard to see fans returning any time soon'

Football Association chairman Greg Clarke says it is hard to see fans returning to matches "any time soon".

www.bbc.co.uk

I was just about to come and post that also.

Will be the death of lower leagues.

Even if club's sold live streaming rights to games, I can't see lower leagues making enough to survive

thebenjamin · May 4, 2020

Build the world's best stadium.

Stadiums become obselete, leaving Spurs with a billion pounds to pay back with no income.

Classic Spurs.

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