Led's Zeppelin
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I'd love a few meaningful ones.
Fuck Chelsea and their style of buying tainted glory. I can say very honestly that I do not want to do things their way.
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I'd love a few meaningful ones.
Fuck Chelsea and their style of buying tainted glory. I can say very honestly that I do not want to do things their way.
vegassd
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The point was that it doesn't matter if the owners are rich if that money doesn't make it onto the pitch.
When it gets to the point that you hope your club is taken over by petro money that’s richer than the last PL club that also got taken over by petro money. You have to start to question what exactly are you supporting. May as well pick a company on the FTSE or a hedge fund and support that.
wrd
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I don't think people care about the balance sheets, I think far more cynically that a large amount of football fans especially the die hards live vicariously through their football teams and the only wins so to speak in life are through your football club and a lot want that trophy at any cost. I think that's why there's so much gatekeeping about proving yourself as a supporter of your club such as to vindicate how much it means to you when your football team win something.
That's not to say I wouldn't love my club to win trophies, I would but I'm far happier having our owners than I am having the type of owner that Chelsea, City, Newcastle have. I'd rather be left frustrated that our owners didn't loosen the purse strings than have a few trophies at the expense of being associated with that type of owner. Though admittedly we're all hypocrites as then those teams can argue we're more than happy collecting that Nike money. Either way I still prefer having our owners and believe it'll be more satisfying finding a different way to win something should that happen instead of taking some sports washing cash and my original point is some are willing to look past that just to get a win in their life.
The rich owners that do spend because although it is 100s of millions do so because they are so wealthy that even a few billions would not affect their wealth that much . And the fact is Chelsea and Man City and now probably Newcastle will reign supreme and apart from the odd intrusion you had better get used to the new reality these Arabs and Abramovich want to win things and nothing else matters and nothing will stop them . Even when they get caught out breaking rules they use their wealth to fight cat and dog to win .
This is because they care only about winning and it will end up being a boring monopoly . the Arabs did it with horse racing to the point where almost all the classic race winners had the same owners from the same part of the world .
For me I am of an age where I am close to the end so I will carry on following in the knowledge there is no real chance of beating the money men .Before anyone says that's always been the case well in time past the richer clubs earned their wealth by success on the pitch or by prudent ownership and the wealth gap between clubs was not insurmountable now their is no chance to break the Arab oil money hold add to that PSG and Juventus and you will have in ten years time a five club league that will rule the football world PSG JUVE CITY Chelsea Newcastle . If you think that's pie in the sky that's ok because its all about opinions . I don't think even Man Unt Liverpool Real Barca will be able to overcome the money these people will put in it will get to the point where their backers will have to say I cannot compete .
ENIC in such company are small fry and no matter how well run money will out.
This is because they care only about winning and it will end up being a boring monopoly . the Arabs did it with horse racing to the point where almost all the classic race winners had the same owners from the same part of the world .
For me I am of an age where I am close to the end so I will carry on following in the knowledge there is no real chance of beating the money men .Before anyone says that's always been the case well in time past the richer clubs earned their wealth by success on the pitch or by prudent ownership and the wealth gap between clubs was not insurmountable now their is no chance to break the Arab oil money hold add to that PSG and Juventus and you will have in ten years time a five club league that will rule the football world PSG JUVE CITY Chelsea Newcastle . If you think that's pie in the sky that's ok because its all about opinions . I don't think even Man Unt Liverpool Real Barca will be able to overcome the money these people will put in it will get to the point where their backers will have to say I cannot compete .
ENIC in such company are small fry and no matter how well run money will out.
Wheeler Dealer
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I think there is a nervousness about remaining competitive when clubs around us are bought by people / companies with endless amounts of money. We've seen with our own eyes that in modern day football, money buys you success. Chelsea and City are prime examples of this. If Newcastle are run similarly to the aforementioned two, then that brings another club into the equation for spending big in the pursuit of success.
We got lucky with Poch, who at the time inherited and moulded a young group of talented players into a very competitive proposition, which came close, but ultimate didn't deliver silverware. This model is going to be very difficult to repeat, and we appear to be caught between an rock and a hard place, where we are frantically trying to maintain our competitiveness without the financial commitment or means to be taken too seriously along with a squad of players that is not quite good enough.
Although it sticks in my throat to say. The ironic thing is that FSG have produced one the greatest PL teams in history on a near shoestring net spend. There’s a perception that Liverpool have spent big but really they haven’t. I think Klopp has spent pretty much same as we have, but sold very well obviously with likes of Coutinho but they also sold solanke and a 3rd choice keeper for £30m+. On paper FSG are in the bottom half in terms of wealth. I think Pochettino bought nearly double the number of players Klopp did. Instead of £70m on Sanchez/Aurier they bough VVd, instead of £30m on Janssen/Nkoudou they bought Mane. Still I don’t believe Liverpool success will be maintained they can’t keep getting transfers 100% right and Klopp will burn out. But it’s certainly more satisfying to do it how we nearly did it or how they’ve done it.
I agree that Liverpool have done well but to sustain long term challenging without mega bucks its not going to happen one of the main reasons is 95% or so of the players will go to who can pay the most . Please spare me the " its a short career " for me once you have a few million quid it seems to be even more about money as they seem to feel " pay me what I am worth " where as we supporters seem to have the view " how many millions is enough " So I am firmly in the" ENIC have done the best with what's available and maybe overachieved regard revenue "
Saoirse
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Liverpool have got a lot of things very right. They have a great attention to detail with things like the specialist throw-in coach, and I'm sure that applies to their analytics and scouting too. They've also had a fair deal of luck, and combined it's resulted in an extraordinarily good football team. In some regards though, I think this is similar to the first half of Wenger's spell at Arsenal. He bought a new degree of technical expertese and professionalism to the English game, and earned great success with it, but eventually it was simply copied - he didn't then have the ability to reinvent the wheel and continue being special. I expect Liverpool will eventually go the same way, especially if FFP fails to reign in the likes of Man City.
nailsy
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The value of any sponsorship deal was bound to fall regardless of the furlough decision. The economic impact of this pandemic will see to that.
And I'm not questioning your expertise in this area, but you seemed to be assuming that the only consideration on whether to furlough staff or not was how it would impact potential sponsorship money in the future. There's a lot more to think of than just that.
KikoSpurs
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The news about furloughing the staff + Poch's pay cut have hit the news here in Brazil. Tottenham was insignificant here yet we manage to be in the headline for the worst reason ever.
Congratulations, Levy. You are really shit.
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Apparently the Levy's defense army already came to downvote me.
You guys are a fucking disgrace.
Congratulations, Levy. You are really shit.
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Apparently the Levy's defense army already came to downvote me.
You guys are a fucking disgrace.
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It was 2 weeks ago and ENIC changed the decision?
dontcallme
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Levy has been criticised for not cutting the players' salary even though he has no legal right to do so. Some have argued he should have asked them.
But when he asked an ex manager to take a temporary cut and defer the payments he gets criticised.
You can criticise the Levy defence army, I haven't negged you fwiw, but when you just twist everything into Levy and ENIC being bad then you are every bit as bad as those you criticise.
I would think that in the last 2 or 3 seasons we have both spent similar amounts but we haven't won anything!
Yid-ol
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Over the last 5 seasons Chelsea's transfers in and out has seen them spend 115million l. Over the same period we are very close at 106 million.
The only reason why we are close is because Chelsea made a profit of about 87 million this season on transfers and we have spent 82 million.
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| Club | 19/20 | 18/19 | 17/18 | 16/17 | 15/16 | Total | |
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| Manchester City | £-88.04m | £-22.04m | £-203.54m | £-160.34m | £-126.68m | £-600.63m |
| Liverpool FC | £28.08m | £-126.99m | £18.56m | £4.93m | £-32.36m | £-107.77m |
| Chelsea FC | £87.53m | £-125.24m | £-53.91m | £-21.51m | £-2.71m | £-115.84m |
| Tottenham Hotspur | £-82.35m | £4.82m | £-15.93m | £-28.08m | £14.92m | £-106.62m |
| Arsenal FC | £-93.47m | £-65.03m | £4.64m | £-92.42m | £-21.60m | £-267.88m |
| Manchester United | £-127.82m | £-46.94m | £-137.61m | £-123.98m | £-48.54m | £-484.88m |
| Wolverhampton Wanderers | £-84.69m | £-80.06m | £-16.46m | £-29.80m | £5.16m | £-205.85m |
| Everton FC | £-35.46m | £-64.04m | £-69.14m | £-22.68m | £-34.11m | £-225.42m |
| Leicester City | £-15.57m | £-16.92m | £-34.29m | £-23.00m | £-36.41m | £-126.18m |
Over the last 5 seasons Chelsea's transfers in and out has seen them spend 115million l. Over the same period we are very close at 106 million.
The only reason why we are close is because Chelsea made a profit of about 87 million this season on transfers and we have spent 82 million.
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Club 19/20 18/19 17/18 16/17 15/16 Total Manchester City £-88.04m £-22.04m £-203.54m £-160.34m £-126.68m £-600.63m Liverpool FC £28.08m £-126.99m £18.56m £4.93m £-32.36m £-107.77m Chelsea FC £87.53m £-125.24m £-53.91m £-21.51m £-2.71m £-115.84m Tottenham Hotspur £-82.35m £4.82m £-15.93m £-28.08m £14.92m £-106.62m Arsenal FC £-93.47m £-65.03m £4.64m £-92.42m £-21.60m £-267.88m Manchester United £-127.82m £-46.94m £-137.61m £-123.98m £-48.54m £-484.88m Wolverhampton Wanderers £-84.69m £-80.06m £-16.46m £-29.80m £5.16m £-205.85m Everton FC £-35.46m £-64.04m £-69.14m £-22.68m £-34.11m £-225.42m Leicester City £-15.57m £-16.92m £-34.29m £-23.00m £-36.41m £-126.18m
It also for some reason it counts permanent deal for Lo Celso as 20/21 so 27m must be added.
Yid-ol
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Didn't see that was sitting on 20/21! Unless levy has done something to adjust when payment was due? As can see the same in a few different places.
Nah, 100% we signed him permanent already
It's some Transfermarkt side, just checked and situation for Emre Can is same as Gio.
Led's Zeppelin
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That’s hardly the point is it? The trophies they won were built on vastly overspending everyone else for years, much of it before ffp slowed them down.
Getting as close as we have is an amazing achievement given their financial incontinence over a very long period now.
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