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dontcallme

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So we're in the middle of a viral pandemic the likes this generation has never seen before.

From a footballing point of view we have no idea when the game can start again, whether this season will be void, the financial state of teams once this is all over and numerous other issues that we're simply not in any position to answer yet the same old people are moaning about ENIC not spending.
 

shelfboy68

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So we're in the middle of a viral pandemic the likes this generation has never seen before.

From a footballing point of view we have no idea when the game can start again, whether this season will be void, the financial state of teams once this is all over and numerous other issues that we're simply not in any position to answer yet the same old people are moaning about ENIC not spending.
No one is moaning mate just speculation about what might happen in the future, because as you say there is a wider problem at hand.
But every now and then it is good to chat or voice an opinion on a forum designed for that and not just the views of one person, you have a nice day now. ?
 

spursfan77

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Sorry if it's been mentioned but presumably one guaranteed area of income would have been (for better or worse) the money for the Amazon series. I wonder what will happen to that?

I’m pretty sure it was reported we get or already got all the £10 million and they’ve more than enough material for the series. Hopefully it’s ringfenced in the transfer budget!
 

dontcallme

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No one is moaning mate just speculation about what might happen in the future, because as you say there is a wider problem at hand.
But every now and then it is good to chat or voice an opinion on a forum designed for that and not just the views of one person, you have a nice day now. ?
People are criticising Levy for not spending and in the Kane thread he is being criticised for selling Kane for £150m.

No problem with differing opinions and nothing in my post suggested otherwise. What I find bizarre is predicting a lack of spending and then criticising based on that.
 

shelfboy68

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People are criticising Levy for not spending and in the Kane thread he is being criticised for selling Kane for £150m.

No problem with differing opinions and nothing in my post suggested otherwise. What I find bizarre is predicting a lack of spending and then criticising based on that.
Well whether Kane goes or stays is irrelevant at the moment although I can understand if wanted to leave because at his age he needs to be successful which isn't happening at spurs.
But on the other hand with this worldwide problem many clubs will be hit financially which might reduce fees and wages down, I'm sure financial markets will be affected for some time so I assume football is no different.
There will be many clubs getting rid of players for cut price fees just to stay afloat, which is why I can see levy looking to go for loans.
 

dontcallme

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Well whether Kane goes or stays is irrelevant at the moment although I can understand if wanted to leave because at his age he needs to be successful which isn't happening at spurs.
But on the other hand with this worldwide problem many clubs will be hit financially which might reduce fees and wages down, I'm sure financial markets will be affected for some time so I assume football is no different.
There will be many clubs getting rid of players for cut price fees just to stay afloat, which is why I can see levy looking to go for loans.
Going by the past I would suggest Levy was at his best when other clubs were financially struggling. When we were building from mid-table to 5th he successfully took advantage of other clubs' poor financial states to get good quality players from Leeds, Portsmouth, a number of Championship clubs and notably Bale.

I think he struggled more once the Prem money went through the roof and even Championship clubs started paying £10m+ for players. He just didn't seem to adjust to the new pricing.

So if we are in a reasonable financial position once this is over and other club's need to balance their books I would think Levy could be in his element again to find good deals.

EditL to add if by the time this is all over we are in financial ruin I would guess most other clubs are as well.
 

ginola99

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Going by the past I would suggest Levy was at his best when other clubs were financially struggling. When we were building from mid-table to 5th he successfully took advantage of other clubs' poor financial states to get good quality players from Leeds, Portsmouth, a number of Championship clubs and notably Bale.

I think he struggled more once the Prem money went through the roof and even Championship clubs started paying £10m+ for players. He just didn't seem to adjust to the new pricing.

So if we are in a reasonable financial position once this is over and other club's need to balance their books I would think Levy could be in his element again to find good deals.

EditL to add if by the time this is all over we are in financial ruin I would guess most other clubs are as well.

I agree with your post on the whole but not this part, which has been suggested by many Spurs fans at this time, I can't see a 'post-COVID-19' being ideal for us or even being something that Levy can take advantage of.

Firstly, we have to pay for a stadium, there's a reason why even during good financial times football clubs try avoid a new build. Even NFL teams and their owners get the tax payer to take a good chunk of the burden in the States and I think that's as much, if not more, to do with the financial knife edge of stadia building than outright greed.

Secondly, there is potential for mega losses here, potentially even struggling to pay the bills. The FA has warned that clubs, even in the elite of the Premier League, could go under from all this, depending how it lasts of course.

Thirdly, even if the above doesn't happen or affect us, it will simply be the same old story but at a much smaller scale of transfer fees with £40m being our new £65m.

On one last note, I remember everyone saying that we could use the 2008 crash to our advantage and that transfer fees would finally go down. Well, much to everyone's surprise there really wasn't much to take advantage of, Portsmouth was rarity. Also, the next year the World Record transfee was broken twice (Kaka and Ronaldo to Real) nearly doubling the record in the process with football agents epitomising the saying 'where there's a will, there's a way' (to make obscene amounts of money). In general the cost of players simply sky rocketed, as it always does, think Trevor Francis to Paul Gascoigne, Zidane to Neymar with £500k a week of today dawrfing the £100k a week of 15 years ago.

The question now is whether or not Levy is the right man in a post COVID-19 world to push this club onto the next level?
 
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spursfan77

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Based on this from America it doesn’t sound like sports are going to return any time soon. Lots of similar fanciful ideas for restarting their sports. So clubs could be properly fucked soon.

 

dontcallme

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Based on this from America it doesn’t sound like sports are going to return any time soon. Lots of similar fanciful ideas for restarting their sports. So clubs could be properly fucked soon.

Interesting quotes from the article.

"We will not have sporting events with fans until we have a vaccine," says Zach Binney, a PhD in epidemiology who wrote his dissertation on injuries in the NFL and now teaches at Emory. Barring a medical miracle, the process of developing and widely distributing a vaccine is likely to take 12 to 18 months.

Until the vast majority of the population is immune to COVID-19, the disease the virus causes, any gathering as large as an NFL game risks setting off a biological bomb. That may sound like hyperbole, but that's the exact phrase a doctor in Bergamo, Italy’s hardest hit city, used to describe a Feb. 19 soccer match between hometown Atalanta and Spain’s Valencia, which super-charged the virus’s spread.

On playing in empty stadiums:

Conversations with experts painted a picture of what exactly it would take to make these sports vacuums a reality. Before any of this can begin, every person who would have access to the facilities will need to be isolated separately for two weeks to ensure that no infection could enter. That’s players and coaches, athletic trainers and interpreters, reporters and broadcasters, plus housekeeping and security personnel. No one can come in or out. Food will have to be delivered. Hotel and stadium employees will have to be paid enough to compensate for their time away from their families. Everyone onsite will have to be tested multiple times during this initial period.
 

spursfan77

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Interesting quotes from the article.

"We will not have sporting events with fans until we have a vaccine," says Zach Binney, a PhD in epidemiology who wrote his dissertation on injuries in the NFL and now teaches at Emory. Barring a medical miracle, the process of developing and widely distributing a vaccine is likely to take 12 to 18 months.

Until the vast majority of the population is immune to COVID-19, the disease the virus causes, any gathering as large as an NFL game risks setting off a biological bomb. That may sound like hyperbole, but that's the exact phrase a doctor in Bergamo, Italy’s hardest hit city, used to describe a Feb. 19 soccer match between hometown Atalanta and Spain’s Valencia, which super-charged the virus’s spread.

On playing in empty stadiums:

Conversations with experts painted a picture of what exactly it would take to make these sports vacuums a reality. Before any of this can begin, every person who would have access to the facilities will need to be isolated separately for two weeks to ensure that no infection could enter. That’s players and coaches, athletic trainers and interpreters, reporters and broadcasters, plus housekeeping and security personnel. No one can come in or out. Food will have to be delivered. Hotel and stadium employees will have to be paid enough to compensate for their time away from their families. Everyone onsite will have to be tested multiple times during this initial period.

It was this paragraph that made it pretty obvious why the playing in empty stadiums idea could fall flat on its face:


“But there are a million ways the Jenga stack could fall: What if the person delivering groceries to the biodome walks by someone who coughs on the lettuce and a week later, a player tests positive? Is there an option other than shutting down the whole operation for 14 days?

“No,” says Bergstrom.
 

dontcallme

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It was this paragraph that made it pretty obvious why the playing in empty stadiums idea could fall flat on its face:


“But there are a million ways the Jenga stack could fall: What if the person delivering groceries to the biodome walks by someone who coughs on the lettuce and a week later, a player tests positive? Is there an option other than shutting down the whole operation for 14 days?

“No,” says Bergstrom.
The build-up of the pandemic has been a fascinating mental challenge.

Like many people I started off thinking it was no bigger than Sars. Then on realising it was a big deal I went into lockdown but still believing this would only last a month or so before some form of normality returns.

With regards to football I was preparing myself for this season being voided then next season starting on time.

The more I read and look into the more I realise this is going to last a very long time and so much is uncertain. The future of sports as we know could change dramatically, though naturally there are other bigger issues.
 

spursfan77

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The build-up of the pandemic has been a fascinating mental challenge.

Like many people I started off thinking it was no bigger than Sars. Then on realising it was a big deal I went into lockdown but still believing this would only last a month or so before some form of normality returns.

With regards to football I was preparing myself for this season being voided then next season starting on time.

The more I read and look into the more I realise this is going to last a very long time and so much is uncertain. The future of sports as we know could change dramatically, though naturally there are other bigger issues.

Yeah me too. I thought it might kick off late, like October or November time, but who really knows.
 

ardiles&villa

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Just watched spurs vs arsenal 4-4...I really miss that spurs, the signs of us being on the up, full of optimism and promise, fun and attractive football and not knowing that we got so close to glory before ENIC shat the bed.
 

yankspurs

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Based on this from America it doesn’t sound like sports are going to return any time soon. Lots of similar fanciful ideas for restarting their sports. So clubs could be properly fucked soon.

The first sport back will be football(both) in fall 2021. Then basketball and hockey and finally baseball in Spring 2022. We’re in for the long haul without sports. Just have to hope clubs, franchises, etc survive until then.
 

Kilkenny Cat

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The article in The Athletic last week cited a number of (naturally unnamed) sources as agreeing that Levy was "certainly the right man" to be leading the club in the current situation. Which I found encouraging.

For all his faults and errors, we know that this is the kind of thing he is very good at.

As for the Mail story on Kane, an illustration of how grounded in reality it is can be gauged by their claim that no other club in the PL is in as much trouble as Spurs due to the current situation. That's utter nonsense; I'd suggest that up to half of them may be in a far graver situation in the short term due to wage bills and cashflow.
 

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Just watched spurs vs arsenal 4-4...I really miss that spurs, the signs of us being on the up, full of optimism and promise, fun and attractive football and not knowing that we got so close to glory before ENIC shat the bed.

Arsenal dominated that game. They should have scored 7...
 

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For this reason expect little or no transfer activity I could see the club seeking loan deals rather than committing to long term deals, as you say the club doesn't want to do a Leeds or Portsmouth. ?

So we are doing a Leeds without the excitement of the transfers ..LoL
 

Bobbins

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So it's April and we're now moving Player Watch threads to the Transfer Rumours section of the forum are we? Where massive numbers of people can't access or contribute to the discussions? Just because a paper made up a rumour about Kane moving to United?

Yeah great idea that. The transfer window isn't even open, the season hasn't even got close to finishing, and that's what we're doing on SC.

What is the point? Why not just move all the player watch threads to the Transfers section permanently just in case there's ever a transfer rumour for any one of them? Would save on admin. Admittedly, half the forum can't then access the threads but it's not like that's important, apparently. Why not just turn SC into a paid membership site and be done with it?

Oh no hold on I've already paid a decent chunk of money to SC over the years and still got banned from there for no reason, so that doesn't work.

So incredibly and pointlessly frustrating.
 
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