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Wsussexspur

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I don't mind that either. In fact, I think it's the right approach as you look to bring in players who fit your club's vision. It's also held us in incredible stead over the years. Look at our best signings over the years.

Berbatov
Modric
Bale
Dembele
Vertonghen
Alli
Son

None of these players were top tier, none were incredibly expensive either. All had potential but needed work. The issue for me is that we've drifted from that slightly.

Ndombele was highly sought and came for big money but is struggling.

Sissoko, who did well last season, was an expensive buy who didn't particularly fit our MO.

Llorente was ancient and very limited.

Aurier was a problem at his previous club and had fallen out of favour.

Lucas didn't fit PSGs system and was no longer wanted.

Foyth was not a young British defender and incredibly inexperienced which meant he needed loads of time.

None of those guys fit our typical buy, which tells me somewhere along the line we stopped focusing on what made our team effective.

Bergwijn and Gedson seem to fit our MO much better, both young with high potential.

We then need to add the likes of Godfrey, Aarons, Bogle, Ferguson, Eze, etc. Focus on the talent under our noses. Not look for cast offs cause theyre cheaper or players we have no chance of getting.


It is exactly the right approach and how we should be operating. This kind of system has served the likes of Dortmund, Athletico, and Liverpool very well over recent past.
 

daryl hannah

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Barring Winks who was the last youngster to come through our academy and play regularly? This myth we create super stars and have an academy all set to bring though the next big things is just that at the moment. Yes Skipp and Tanganga have come through and played few games recently but need a consistent run in the team before they can be judged one way or another.

It's a joke that Levy is even peddling these lines. Barring Harry Kane what other "super star" have we created in the 20 years enic have been in charge?
Onomah. :LOL::ROFLMAO:
 

fortworthspur

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Barring Winks who was the last youngster to come through our academy and play regularly? This myth we create super stars and have an academy all set to bring though the next big things is just that at the moment. Yes Skipp and Tanganga have come through and played few games recently but need a consistent run in the team before they can be judged one way or another.

It's a joke that Levy is even peddling these lines. Barring Harry Kane what other "super star" have we created in the 20 years enic have been in charge?
I think it also means we look elsewhere for reasonably priced young players with potential. Dele comes to mind. Sonny, too, was a bargain who's improved tremendously. Hopefully Clarke and Sess will, too. Thats the strategy.
 

RichieS

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Really not raging believe it or not.
Just going by the language they used. The money will be reinvested back into the club they didn’t say team or playing staff. I just don’t think you should be expecting to see all of that money out on the pitch. or do you think they will?
The whole point of all of this is to increase the club's income such that it can match the other top PL teams in terms of salaries paid, because that's what really attracts and retains players. We're already seeing that through the various new contracts that have been given to the likes of Kane and Son, along with Ndombele (a highly sought after player) coming straight in on an elite level salary.

I don't see that paying down more of the stadium debt when the refinancing has packaged it into easily manageable repayments could be called reinvesting into the club. Is it even possible to overpay on that kind of thing in the same way that you or I can with our mortgages? I also don't think the club will be directly financing the hotel or residential builds, or, if it does, the amounts involved will be minimal compared to everything else that's gone on and the resulting profit will find its way back in anyway.

But put those players into to todays prices he is still going to have to spend money to bring them to the club. Just in last two games there have been some decent young players we could sign in the next summer who or two would improve our squad and have potential to be turned into top players and wouldn't be unrealistic transfer targets the likes of Max Aarons, Dwight McNeil, Jamel Lewis, even Nick Pope. In todays market these type of players are going to cost £25 million plus though.. Is Levy really going to spend that the bring them to the club?
The last few such signings (Sánchez, Sessegnon, the agreed fee for Gedson, even Clarke and Foyth) suggest there's no aversion to spending eyebrow-raising money on those sorts of players.
 

dudu

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The whole point of all of this is to increase the club's income such that it can match the other top PL teams in terms of salaries paid, because that's what really attracts and retains players. We're already seeing that through the various new contracts that have been given to the likes of Kane and Son, along with Ndombele (a highly sought after player) coming straight in on an elite level salary.

I don't see that paying down more of the stadium debt when the refinancing has packaged it into easily manageable repayments could be called reinvesting into the club. Is it even possible to overpay on that kind of thing in the same way that you or I can with our mortgages? I also don't think the club will be directly financing the hotel or residential builds, or, if it does, the amounts involved will be minimal compared to everything else that's gone on and the resulting profit will find its way back in anyway.


The last few such signings (Sánchez, Sessegnon, the agreed fee for Gedson, even Clarke and Foyth) suggest there's no aversion to spending eyebrow-raising money on those sorts of players.

Sanchez especially -

40+ million on him and people say Levy won't spend money.

The only counter-argument to that I have heard is that he didn't turn out to be as good as his price tag suggests, which doesn't prove anything.
 

Spurslove

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Soooo...what do we realistically expect to happen on the transfer front this summer if we don't make the Champions League places this season?

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buckley

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Stop the use of " to dare is to do " as a slogan as it simply does not apply it should be " to dare is not in our make up "
 

thebenjamin

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Levy said "tottenham create superstars" meaning we dont buy them. That was just at the last meeting, that will continue to be our strategy in the transfer market.

We've created one, Harry Kane. I guess you could say we've gone some way to helping created Son, but he was already a huge star in Asia.

I'm interested to know who else DL thinks is a superstar that we've created. Dele? Hardly.
 

shelfmonkey

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For me Levy's most obvious blind spot is the correlation of income with success, actually winning trophies! All the biggest clubs in our league with the largest income streams have all won the top trophies, this fact seems lost on Levy, he seems to believe that just participating in the CL is going open up the revenue floodgates whilst failing to realise that new support needed to feed that flood needs to see Spurs win the top trophies!!
 

fortworthspur

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We've created one, Harry Kane. I guess you could say we've gone some way to helping created Son, but he was already a huge star in Asia.

I'm interested to know who else DL thinks is a superstar that we've created. Dele? Hardly.
oh yeah, Dele for sure. He may not be your cup of tea but he'd fetch 50+ easily and we paid 5. Plus Bale, Modric, Walker, and Sonny to name a few others off the top of my head.
 

Trotter

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We've created one, Harry Kane. I guess you could say we've gone some way to helping created Son, but he was already a huge star in Asia.

I'm interested to know who else DL thinks is a superstar that we've created. Dele? Hardly.

Bale and Modric for starters
 

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Would I rather have Poch and Bruno or Mourinho and Gedson.... hmmm that’s a difficult one.
I would still vote Mourinho and Gedson. Poch had run out of ideas, yes the squad needed work but he seemed to have alienated key players. Toby signing a new deal shows that.

Bruno is undoubtedly good, but lacks potential to develop further. This means he will likely be sold at a loss in the future or be part exchange traded/loaned to cover any loss.

Gedson could progress to become as good or better than Bruno and is a signing more like Dele or Son. Known quality but untapped potential. This means a chance of a high performance player with high value.
 

shelfboy68

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I would still vote Mourinho and Gedson. Poch had run out of ideas, yes the squad needed work but he seemed to have alienated key players. Toby signing a new deal shows that.

Bruno is undoubtedly good, but lacks potential to develop further. This means he will likely be sold at a loss in the future or be part exchange traded/loaned to cover any loss.

Gedson could progress to become as good or better than Bruno and is a signing more like Dele or Son. Known quality but untapped potential. This means a chance of a high performance player with high value.
Not sure about that Fernandes is class and will get better especially once he settles down more, still not to worry good times are around the corner not sure how many corners but they are around them.
 

dudu

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For me Levy's most obvious blind spot is the correlation of income with success, actually winning trophies! All the biggest clubs in our league with the largest income streams have all won the top trophies, this fact seems lost on Levy, he seems to believe that just participating in the CL is going open up the revenue floodgates whilst failing to realise that new support needed to feed that flood needs to see Spurs win the top trophies!!


Why bring in Mourinho then?

Uber expensive specialist at winning things
 

fishhhandaricecake

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The minutes don't fill anyone with hope or a sense of a determination to succeed more a vague committment to stay relevant whilst a limp wristed attempt to achieve anything.
Yep it was horrible reading which only compounded the current feeling of gloom and depression around the club. I've supported and backed Levy a lot recently due to the huge strides we have made with the Stadium and Training ground and also in the league over the years since they took over but what really irks me is the seemingly lack of ambition/plan. It now seems Levy got very lucky with Poch who transformed our club and who probably ultimately got sick and tired of working on a shoe string budget with a difficult to deal with chairman.

The latest comments fill me with no confidence that we will address the key areas of the squad that need improving and also Mouriniho seems to have been yet another bad managerial hire who just doesn't suit what the club stands for.

We'd come off the back of a CL final and new stadium opening and signed one yes one good player during the summer in Lo Celso, its just getting tiring quite frankly following this club under Levy. Its not even that they don't care about the on field success I just think Levy has absolutely no clue about football, he is a businessman sure but he needs to step away from the football matters or sell and move on because we are stale as fuck and have missed so so many opportunities to capitalise on positions of strength.

If he pulls out £200mil this summer and gets us new full backs, CDM, CM and ST poss x2 then I might start to see a chink of light but the chance of that happening is about 1,000,000 - 1.
 

shelfmonkey

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Why bring in Mourinho then?

Uber expensive specialist at winning things

Why not back the man at the crucial time who was getting us to punch way above our weight in the first place?! Instead of letting all the hard work stagnate!!
 
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