Club statement regarding alleged racism

buckley · Feb 5, 2020

Sorry to labour the point but if Rudiger calls out another club and no evidence is found he will be in danger of being called "the boy that cried wolf" and he would be doing harm to the fight against racism .
I don't like this idea of hearing something racist then the player takes it to the ref and then a stadium announcement .
I believe any player hearing racist remarks should inform their bench and state the general area where it came from with modern stadiums and all the cameras they have it will be a reasonable chance to pick out the individual because these type of so called human beings will carry on with there remarks if they think they are not being monitored .

yido_number1 · Feb 5, 2020

EastLondonYid said:
I couldn't really give a toss about one ,two or 1000 fans with that attitude, when you have been wrongly accused you fight back when so publicly accused, i just think we should have made the media more accountable to their accusations , especially that prick the Chelsea captain.

In an ideal world. As a club we can't be seen to be suggesting racism doesn't exist in our club we are clean. Better public stance is we are against racism, didn't find any evidence and will continue to diligently fight against any form of racism that might enter the stadium. Saying no not us it didn't and can't happen hear isn't acceptable for a business.

yido_number1 · Feb 5, 2020

buckley said:
Sorry to labour the point but if Rudiger calls out another club and no evidence is found he will be in danger of being called "the boy that cried wolf" and he would be doing harm to the fight against racism .
I don't like this idea of hearing something racist then the player takes it to the ref and then a stadium announcement .
I believe any player hearing racist remarks should inform their bench and state the general area where it came from with modern stadiums and all the cameras they have it will be a reasonable chance to pick out the individual because these type of so called human beings will carry on with there remarks if they think they are not being monitored .

I disagree. It's important the protocol includes the referee who is responsible for the fixture.

thecook · Feb 5, 2020

yido_number1 said:
I disagree. It's important the protocol includes the referee who is responsible for the fixture.

But the 4th official would be party to the information and be able to let the ref know via the earpiece

yido_number1 · Feb 5, 2020

thecook said:
But the 4th official would be party to the information and be able to let the ref know via the earpiece

How does it make more sense for a player not to approach the closest official who is most likely the referee and who is also the man in charge of reporting and controlling the match?

buckley · Feb 5, 2020

I can say I have seen a Murder and would be expected to give evidence .All I am saying is something as serious as this should be verified by someone not just taken as fact as the repercussions are enormous .

thecook · Feb 5, 2020

yido_number1 said:
How does it make more sense for a player not to approach the closest official who is most likely the referee and who is also the man in charge of reporting and controlling the match?

Following buckley's suggestion you seemed to think the ref would be oblivious to it all. I was just emphasising that he wouldn't be.

HedgieSpur · Feb 5, 2020

I don't really see what the issue is here. Rudiger thought he heard monkey chants. It was investigated and no evidence found. Case closed. No need for recriminations, just a case of it not being proven.

whitesocks · Feb 5, 2020

The One show is for morons. David Baddiel is not out of place.
Badly researched journalism (=99% of it) will continue to refer to the Rudiger non incident for another 10 years.
Levy has had a warning letter sent to the BBC and I dare say some other publications. This is just the ground work. When they repeat the allegation through their own stupidity, then he can start to collect some serious compensation.
We may yet get that striker one day all thanks to Rudiger.

nailsy · Feb 6, 2020

buckley said:
Sorry to labour the point but if Rudiger calls out another club and no evidence is found he will be in danger of being called "the boy that cried wolf" and he would be doing harm to the fight against racism .
I don't like this idea of hearing something racist then the player takes it to the ref and then a stadium announcement .
I believe any player hearing racist remarks should inform their bench and state the general area where it came from with modern stadiums and all the cameras they have it will be a reasonable chance to pick out the individual because these type of so called human beings will carry on with there remarks if they think they are not being monitored .

buckley said:
I can say I have seen a Murder and would be expected to give evidence .All I am saying is something as serious as this should be verified by someone not just taken as fact as the repercussions are enormous .

What are you talking about? Firstly it took the club over a week to go through all the footage. There's no way they could do it during the game. They won't have a lip reader on hand for a start. Making an announcement at the stadium makes everyone immediately aware that something might have happened and gives anyone in the crowd who might have witnessed it a chance to report it. It also makes the perpetrator aware that they've been heard and will hopefully make them less likely to re-offend. Surely that's better than making them think they can carrying on with the abuse because they think they aren't being monitored? And Rudiger did give evidence. There was an investigation to see if they could verify the allegation.

spursfan77 · Feb 7, 2020

Chelsea fans behaving as usual

Chelsea fans caught making Nazi salutes and singing anti-Semitic songs

Shocking new footage has emerged of Chelsea fans performing Nazi salutes, singing anti-Semitic songs and mimicking the noise of a gas chamber. It features in new BBC Three film Shame In The Game.

www.dailymail.co.uk

buckley · Feb 7, 2020

What I am saying is do the authorities have to take every accusation as fact when not everybody is quite the pillar of truth .
I know from personal experience that you can be accused of something that you are not guilty of but the current climate says " you must take every accusation as fact " when as in normal day to day life there are people in football that are not necessarily what they seem .
But in todays climate an accusation made by Rudigar will be taken as fact . Well not by me because I am not afraid to say something is not right . No doubt I will be lambasted as some kind of racist in denial and I would rather that than be scared because the latest public climate says you must take these accusations always as fact .
There are people falling over each other to say "he said it and it must be fact "well I have not been shown any facts until then I will believe what I think is the truth . I won't be bullied by the hand ringing and the self righteous into saying yes when I believe no .

nailsy · Feb 7, 2020

buckley said:
What I am saying is do the authorities have to take every accusation as fact when not everybody is quite the pillar of truth .
I know from personal experience that you can be accused of something that you are not guilty of but the current climate says " you must take every accusation as fact " when as in normal day to day life there are people in football that are not necessarily what they seem .
But in todays climate an accusation made by Rudigar will be taken as fact . Well not by me because I am not afraid to say something is not right . No doubt I will be lambasted as some kind of racist in denial and I would rather that than be scared because the latest public climate says you must take these accusations always as fact .
There are people falling over each other to say "he said it and it must be fact "well I have not been shown any facts until then I will believe what I think is the truth . I won't be bullied by the hand ringing and the self righteous into saying yes when I believe no .

The current climate doesn't say you have to take every accusation as fact. The current climate says that the authorities have to take every accusation seriously. That's why there's an investigation.

Dundalk_Spur · Feb 7, 2020

Just tweeted a link to the One Show, asking them to get David Baddiel back on to discuss it.

C0YS · Feb 7, 2020

Yep the club has actually handled this quite well. The segment was bad and not balanced but what can you do apart from what the club has done. Hopefully, it won't happen again.

I am actually uncomfortable with the Chelsea have many racist incidents so they should be the ones where the sport light is shown kind of logic.

I mean don't get me wrong, there should be more calling out of racist incidents, from Chelsea and elsewhere, but the way it's being portrayed it sounds like the motivation is footballing rival chat and not a serious attempt to tackle the issue of racism.

Very few clubs are racist and it doesn't matter in which club racism happens. It matters that it happens at all. We shouldn't be singling out clubs as 'racist' but rather singling out the racism in football, some of which definetly exist at our club. We should be criticising responses by clubs to racism and should be creating a climate where it can be dealt with.

This goes beyond football and what colour you wear is irrelevant. Personally, I want to hear more anti racist chanting at stadiums. If we vocalise our position we will be supporting our players and shutting up anyone who might be prone to shouting out abuse!

Gassin's finest · Feb 7, 2020

No one watches the One Show anyway.

buckley · Feb 7, 2020

Every accusation has to be taken seriously and investigated . if you do not hear or see wrongdoings you should be allowed to say so in todays climate if you say "I did not hear it I did not see it " you will be lambasted as being in denial .
Its like being in Mccarthy era where unless you say "I saw it I heard it " you are racist .
I will not bow to these people and deny the truth to suit this overpowering agenda of there is so much racism .
When in my life I rarely very rarely come across it .
I refuse to say I come across it and see it all the time just so as to fall in line with the current climate .

tiger666 · Feb 7, 2020

buckley said:
Every accusation has to be taken seriously and investigated . if you do not hear or see wrongdoings you should be allowed to say so in todays climate if you say "I did not hear it I did not see it " you will be lambasted as being in denial .
Its like being in Mccarthy era where unless you say "I saw it I heard it " you are racist .
I will not bow to these people and deny the truth to suit this overpowering agenda of there is so much racism .
When in my life I rarely very rarely come across it .
I refuse to say I come across it and see it all the time just so as to fall in line with the current climate .

What on earth are you banging on about?

Dillspur · Feb 7, 2020

HedgieSpur said:
I don't really see what the issue is here. Rudiger thought he heard monkey chants. It was investigated and no evidence found. Case closed. No need for recriminations, just a case of it not being proven.

I'm sure most people agree with this, the issue is how quickly we were vilified in the press and media without any actual evidence. I was listening to TS at the time and they had Darren Lewis on, he was ripping us to shreds, and I have yet to hear any sort of apology since the investigation was completed, I also don't remember much being said about the arrest of the chav fan that was actually found to be using racist terms. I would like to think that the press/media will learn something from this, but I doubt it

neogenisis · Feb 7, 2020

Gassin's finest said:
No one watches the One Show anyway.

I watched it once.

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