George94
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I think he will, and he definitely should, take a year off from football.
He's earned it.
Go and take a year off with your wife and family?
Club Statement 19 Nov 19 - Pochettino leaves
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I think he will, and he definitely should, take a year off from football.
He's earned it.
Go and take a year off with your wife and family?
spursfan77
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If this is true then it was only going one way. Pitt brooke and ornstein have good contacts so I can’t see it being wrong.
Tottenham appoint Mourinho after Pochettino ‘sulked his way to the sack’
https://theathletic.com/1388073/201...ed-his-way-to-the-sack/?source=shared-article
“Don’t look at the boss.”
Tottenham players had become used to saying those words to each other in recent weeks. Don’t catch his eye, don’t give him an excuse to get you in to trouble, just get on with training and surely this will all be over soon.
Mauricio Pochettino had never been overly friendly around the training ground, that just wasn’t his style. He was the boss after all, not the players’ friend. And after becoming Tottenham’s most successful manager in 50 years, who cared how chatty he was anyway? The team had become regulars in the Champions League, they were beating the biggest teams in Europe and had challenged for the Premier League title at their peak. They were scintillating at their best, hunting down the opposition in packs and entertaining their fans with a team full of improving young players.
But then they weren’t. Then the victories dried up, the tough training sessions caught up with the players’ minds and legs and the manager became surly and distant.
As one dressing room source told The Athletic: “It was the only decision that made sense.” With the team currently 14th in the Premier League, without a win in five, and with no away victory in the league since January, the players really had lost faith. From their last 24 league games, a run dating back to late February, they have taken just 25 points.
On Tuesday evening the club sacked Pochettino and 12 hours later replaced him with Jose Mourinho. This is why.
After a week of talks over Pochettino’s future, in which he had resolutely refused to resign, Levy was eventually left with no choice on Tuesday but to dismiss the 47-year-old and his backroom staff, triggering what is understood to be a £12 million pay-out to the Argentine coach. Pochettino’s assistant Jesus Perez, and coaches Miguel d’Agostino and Antoni Jimenez have also left the club.
Talks started last Wednesday as Levy hoped to use the international break to find a solution to Spurs’ bad start.
There was a growing sense of unease throughout the week as speculation about Pochettino’s future grew. Some first-team players — but by no means all — got wind on Monday night that their manager was on his way out. But with some players still on international duty, and no public statement until Tuesday evening, there was still a sense of confusion throughout the club.
What eventually did for Pochettino was losing the support of the dressing room over the course of this season. The players sensed that he did not have the same relish for the job as in his early years at Spurs. They had once been willing participants in his demanding hard-running style, but their physical and mental energy did not last forever. The players have got older, and recently they have found themselves with less to give. The Pochettino regime of double sessions, very few days off and hard running started to drag. “The old effect of the double sessions had gone, and it was mentally important to regenerate,” said one dressing-room source. “So the moment of the sacking is a bit surprising, but the fuel tank got empty much earlier. At a certain moment, it is just over.”
Tottenham appoint Mourinho after Pochettino ‘sulked his way to the sack’
https://theathletic.com/1388073/201...ed-his-way-to-the-sack/?source=shared-article
“Don’t look at the boss.”
Tottenham players had become used to saying those words to each other in recent weeks. Don’t catch his eye, don’t give him an excuse to get you in to trouble, just get on with training and surely this will all be over soon.
Mauricio Pochettino had never been overly friendly around the training ground, that just wasn’t his style. He was the boss after all, not the players’ friend. And after becoming Tottenham’s most successful manager in 50 years, who cared how chatty he was anyway? The team had become regulars in the Champions League, they were beating the biggest teams in Europe and had challenged for the Premier League title at their peak. They were scintillating at their best, hunting down the opposition in packs and entertaining their fans with a team full of improving young players.
But then they weren’t. Then the victories dried up, the tough training sessions caught up with the players’ minds and legs and the manager became surly and distant.
As one dressing room source told The Athletic: “It was the only decision that made sense.” With the team currently 14th in the Premier League, without a win in five, and with no away victory in the league since January, the players really had lost faith. From their last 24 league games, a run dating back to late February, they have taken just 25 points.
On Tuesday evening the club sacked Pochettino and 12 hours later replaced him with Jose Mourinho. This is why.
After a week of talks over Pochettino’s future, in which he had resolutely refused to resign, Levy was eventually left with no choice on Tuesday but to dismiss the 47-year-old and his backroom staff, triggering what is understood to be a £12 million pay-out to the Argentine coach. Pochettino’s assistant Jesus Perez, and coaches Miguel d’Agostino and Antoni Jimenez have also left the club.
Talks started last Wednesday as Levy hoped to use the international break to find a solution to Spurs’ bad start.
There was a growing sense of unease throughout the week as speculation about Pochettino’s future grew. Some first-team players — but by no means all — got wind on Monday night that their manager was on his way out. But with some players still on international duty, and no public statement until Tuesday evening, there was still a sense of confusion throughout the club.
What eventually did for Pochettino was losing the support of the dressing room over the course of this season. The players sensed that he did not have the same relish for the job as in his early years at Spurs. They had once been willing participants in his demanding hard-running style, but their physical and mental energy did not last forever. The players have got older, and recently they have found themselves with less to give. The Pochettino regime of double sessions, very few days off and hard running started to drag. “The old effect of the double sessions had gone, and it was mentally important to regenerate,” said one dressing-room source. “So the moment of the sacking is a bit surprising, but the fuel tank got empty much earlier. At a certain moment, it is just over.”
Cornpattbuck
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Well, hoping a year out watching Klopp and Pep has freshened Jose up. Fingers crossed.
kungfugrip
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I shed tears last night when I heard Poch had been sacked. I broke down with disappointment this morning when I was telling my wife the news that Mourinho has been appointed. We've sold our soul to the devil.
Gb160
Well done boys. Good process
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Hahaha brilliant.
muppetman
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Gutted for Poch, but the sparkle was clearly no longer there and if there wasn't confidence that he could get that sparkle back then there was only ever going to be one outcome.
As for Jose, if he is on board with this stage of Levy's never ending project and everyone is pushing in the same direction then perhaps it can be made to work.
Never change Spurs, never change!
As for Jose, if he is on board with this stage of Levy's never ending project and everyone is pushing in the same direction then perhaps it can be made to work.
Never change Spurs, never change!
Ionman34
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Ionman34
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I was thinking about this last night. Apparently JM rates Toby highly, so it wouldn't surprise me if we see him and JV renew their contracts. It also wouldn't surprise me if we see an upturn in Eriksen's form and, dare I say it, a contract signed?
CE said himself that he'd happily re sign under certain circumstances, I wonder if this constitutes those circumstances being met.
Spurslove
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WhiteStripe
Get out of my club you cretin!
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That broken heart emoji at the end..... ?
Gilzeanking
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Everywhere I look in the media and here everyone is completely certain Poch is heading for colossal success at a huge club .
Don't understand this certainty . After Poch's energy levels/high press innovations he hasn't shown much dexterity in bringing
appropriate solutions to oppo strong points..or much quality in in-game management .
He was all about his energetic teams ,but there's not a shed load of evidence that he has the many different qualities needed to make a success at a big club with famous players who may have their own ideas .
Wish him well but I find this certainty that he's about to become a big success surprising .
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Shadydan
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It wouldn't surprise me if the two Belgians re-signed but pretty sure Eriksen wants to go to Spain regardless of who is managing the team.
Spurslove
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What a strange little world you must live in mate. Not one single word about the role the players have played in all this. Wow.
And Carragher can shove it up his arse.
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Gb160
Well done boys. Good process
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Gonna miss that little Spanish Steve Carell.
mrlilywhite
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I think all of this has been alluded to by some of our ITK too. I have always sensed that ultimately it was the system and the intensity of the training that proved his downfall. In the end, Poch had the biggest hand in his demise. I have very few doubts though that if Poch gets a big club with a lot of money then he will be a success. Poch's system demands a lot and the necessary recycling of players once their legs go is essential.
jurgen
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Levy has always been willing to take risks on managers, on that front he's been much more creative than some other chairmen and should be applauded for thinking differently. Some have crashed and burned and others worked very well for a time. Jose fits within that, and while personally I'm not happy with how this has been handled, at least it's hopefully an indication that we aren't starting another 5 year project that leaves us treading water.
Unfortunately the constant that runs parallel to Levy's brave managerial choices is him also shafting those managers and moving the goalposts. Hopefully he's truly met his match with Jose and our much vaunted stadium and all our various revenues go into supporting him to do what he does best which is winning trophies.
The more I've heard and read this morning, the more it seems Poch has been angling for the sack. The training ground especially doesn't sound like the warmest of places the last few months. If so, makes me see things differently, and seems like the only option was to part ways.
Just hope his next job ain't on these shores.
Just hope his next job ain't on these shores.
Gassin's finest
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So... Pochettino. Where to start?
Oh I know:
For the first two seasons of Poch's time here I attended every home cup game. In those games we saw the genesis and eventual evolution of the team that would define him. League Cup, home to a Championship side, and the same ineffective team we'd been despairing over was getting beat. And then forgotten man Ryan Mason came off the bench, and did that. This marked the beginning of a thrilling and prideful era of this club. We saw that if the players bought into Poch's mindset, of being decent people and professionals, then you would become a better player. After all, it makes sense that the very best version of you would play at their very best potential.
From that moment on we saw the emergence of our best team. Kane, Rose, Dele, Dier... even older players who got on board improved, like Walker, Demebele, Erisken. Watching those players come through the cup games, and eventually take their place as the first XI, was the greatest joy of that time for me. And it all culminated in that evening in Madrid. The greatest endorsement of Poch's Bravery. By his own admission, this is when he enjoys football the most. When its no longer about tactics or formations... when its blood and thunder, balls out and hearts on the sleeve. He is absolutely an elite manager, and he will no doubt achieve success with an elite team. But that rawness, of coming in and building a club out of passionate young players and brotherhood, is what he loves most.
However that night in Madrid was emblemetic of what came after, and what has marked significant chapters of this last half decade. League Cup finals, last season capitulations to relegated teams, semi final defeats, and of course the Champions League final; when it has looked like this team will fulfill its destiny, and see Hugo Lloris lift that glinting silver, they have fallen. And often over themselves. Whether it was unearned hubris and complacency, or self doubt creeping at the fringes of their confidence, there has always been an unseen psychological hurdle they could never clear; That oft spoken Winning Mentality. And in many ways it has seemed that passing up opportunities to progress and win competitions in those early seasons, such as Europa League's, was a missed chance at forging that mentality. There should really have been at least one Premier League title, and one Champions League title.
After all these close but not quite falls, the CL final must have been the last chance to vindicate all those that had slipped by before. And by the end of the 90 mins, it was one chance lost too many. There's only so many times you can say that we're learning and building and doing our best. After 5 years, the cycle was closing. Players, like Poche, were starting to age, and wondering when their chance would come again. And with a myriad of distractions circling the club, like that notorious summer of no signings, the stadium and wembley fiasco, players contractual and behavioural transgressions... the taste was gone. And the harder they all tried, the harder it was to get it back. It's hard to get those first steps right, as it was in that first season. But to recognise you've gone as far as you can, or want, to go, is even harder.
But its essential that we lodge this last 5 years in our memories and in our recorded history. This was something special. And cast your reservations and cynicism over trophies aside. Consider your love for this game we follow and play. Pochettino gave us some of the consistently best football we've enjoyed at Tottenham in as long as I can remember. He's overseen a transformative period for us, turning us into a legitimate CL club, talked about admiringly throughout Europe. And he gave us that final. Nevermind the outcome, we were in that final, and the week building up to it, and the joy that was bouncing out of the 100,000 yiddos crammed in around the Stadium, will live always in my memory.
And all with dignity and respect. I've never been prouder to be a Spurs fan than when Poche was here, and that's all down to the character of the man. Brother, Lover, Father, Friend. I'll always want him here at the Lane.
Now where to end...?
Oh yeah:
Oh I know:
For the first two seasons of Poch's time here I attended every home cup game. In those games we saw the genesis and eventual evolution of the team that would define him. League Cup, home to a Championship side, and the same ineffective team we'd been despairing over was getting beat. And then forgotten man Ryan Mason came off the bench, and did that. This marked the beginning of a thrilling and prideful era of this club. We saw that if the players bought into Poch's mindset, of being decent people and professionals, then you would become a better player. After all, it makes sense that the very best version of you would play at their very best potential.
From that moment on we saw the emergence of our best team. Kane, Rose, Dele, Dier... even older players who got on board improved, like Walker, Demebele, Erisken. Watching those players come through the cup games, and eventually take their place as the first XI, was the greatest joy of that time for me. And it all culminated in that evening in Madrid. The greatest endorsement of Poch's Bravery. By his own admission, this is when he enjoys football the most. When its no longer about tactics or formations... when its blood and thunder, balls out and hearts on the sleeve. He is absolutely an elite manager, and he will no doubt achieve success with an elite team. But that rawness, of coming in and building a club out of passionate young players and brotherhood, is what he loves most.
However that night in Madrid was emblemetic of what came after, and what has marked significant chapters of this last half decade. League Cup finals, last season capitulations to relegated teams, semi final defeats, and of course the Champions League final; when it has looked like this team will fulfill its destiny, and see Hugo Lloris lift that glinting silver, they have fallen. And often over themselves. Whether it was unearned hubris and complacency, or self doubt creeping at the fringes of their confidence, there has always been an unseen psychological hurdle they could never clear; That oft spoken Winning Mentality. And in many ways it has seemed that passing up opportunities to progress and win competitions in those early seasons, such as Europa League's, was a missed chance at forging that mentality. There should really have been at least one Premier League title, and one Champions League title.
After all these close but not quite falls, the CL final must have been the last chance to vindicate all those that had slipped by before. And by the end of the 90 mins, it was one chance lost too many. There's only so many times you can say that we're learning and building and doing our best. After 5 years, the cycle was closing. Players, like Poche, were starting to age, and wondering when their chance would come again. And with a myriad of distractions circling the club, like that notorious summer of no signings, the stadium and wembley fiasco, players contractual and behavioural transgressions... the taste was gone. And the harder they all tried, the harder it was to get it back. It's hard to get those first steps right, as it was in that first season. But to recognise you've gone as far as you can, or want, to go, is even harder.
But its essential that we lodge this last 5 years in our memories and in our recorded history. This was something special. And cast your reservations and cynicism over trophies aside. Consider your love for this game we follow and play. Pochettino gave us some of the consistently best football we've enjoyed at Tottenham in as long as I can remember. He's overseen a transformative period for us, turning us into a legitimate CL club, talked about admiringly throughout Europe. And he gave us that final. Nevermind the outcome, we were in that final, and the week building up to it, and the joy that was bouncing out of the 100,000 yiddos crammed in around the Stadium, will live always in my memory.
And all with dignity and respect. I've never been prouder to be a Spurs fan than when Poche was here, and that's all down to the character of the man. Brother, Lover, Father, Friend. I'll always want him here at the Lane.
Now where to end...?
Oh yeah:
mrlilywhite
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I have never been a huge fan of Poch's system at Spurs. Not for the reasons that his system is crap, it isn't. It is one of the best counter-pressing systems I have seen, and Poch is a master of it. It is, at its core a simple system, but a hard one to break down when all the tools are in place. However if that system isn't suitably sustained, then it breaks in a big way and tactically, Poch is lost when it doesn't work. It needs constant effort and fresh players, not just any players, it needs a host of players that share certain attributes in order for it to be at it's effective best.
In an ideal environment and at a club that bankroll his system, then it would be bloody good. In a perfect world, poch would be great, but it would have to be at a club that can provide him with the tools, not at Spurs, as we didn't have the resources to let him run with his system the way he wanted it to. With the right club, Poch doesn't need any major solutions to the oppo, they need to contend with his system and that means changing their approach to try and combat, which when firing on all cylinders isn't an easy task. His success will be limited wherever he goes, unless a club like Madrid give him a ton of cash to build it his way and without restriction.
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