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'O Zio
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I can't speak for others but personally I'm not saying he isn't good enough. I just think his management style and the way he wants the club to operate is so fundamentally at odds with the way the club actually operates, that I reckon the chances of him instantly bringing us silverware like so many people seem to have convinced themselves of, is in fact relatively unlikely. It ultimately comes down to horses for courses and as much as I'm intrigued by the prospect of Jose, I'm not convinced he's the right fit for the job.
'O Zio
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To be honest, I always thought that whole situation was ridiculous. OK so actually going about and physically banning ketchup etc. from the canteen is maybe a bit overkill, but honestly it says a lot about what poor professionals some of our squad were that he even had to tell them not to eat junk food after training. In this day and age it should just go without saying for supposedly elite-level athletes to eat properly.
Hakkz
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Can't see us getting Ten Haag or Nagelsmann anyway.
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The thing is, there's no manager we could bring in with a guarantee of success, anyone we bring in could fail.
But his record is staggering, multiple trophies at every single club he's managed.
There's no other manager available who ticks the boxes in the way Jose does.
The reason you're intrigued is because you suspect it could pay off.
If he's not the right fit for the job, then its time to change the bloody job.
Time to ditch the 'project' and roll the dice, the fans deserve to.
'O Zio
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How so? I know both of them have been linked with Bayern in the past but then so have a few people. Even if they did get the Bayern gig, that would only rule one of them out.
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Because like many players, they are some of the hottest in the game right now and if they would be available then more clubs with potentially bigger pockets would come running. Ten Haag has said he won't leave Ajax this season so that could coincide with Bayern having a caretaker until the summer and then taking him on.
Nagelsmann just joined Leipzig this summer. A wealthy club in Germany, so I can't see him leaving them that quickly.
'O Zio
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You're absolutely right in a lot of ways. And yes I'm intrigued because there is a chance that he really takes us to another level, and perhaps crucially, his "status" might help us attract some of the bigger name players I suppose. But I just don't agree that he "ticks all the boxes" unless you conveniently leave out boxes that he won't tick.
Just as you can say he ticks the box of winning trophies at every club, you could equally say he ticks the box of leaving every club having burned everything he's built to the ground. But perhaps more importantly, at every job he's had post-Porto, he's had license to go out and spend huge money on players he wants, and then if he doesn't get what he wants, everything tends to go very wrong very quickly. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he's only successful because he spends money, I appreciate that he's more than that, but the fact remains that he still predominantly favours going out and buying the best player he can think of that fills a role he needs. Given what we know about how Levy/Spurs operate, it doesn't exactly take Sherlock Holmes to work out what's likely to happen when Levy won't get him who he wants.
I agree with you that maybe it's time to change the way the club operates, that's certainly a discussion to be had, but just because we think it should change, doesn't mean it will. I think deep down we all know that even if we do get Mourinho, Levy still won't sanction hundreds of millions in net transfer spend. In which case I think Mourinho is more likely to fall out with everyone and leave in a strop than he is to transform us into winners.
Rather than hiring someone we know definitely won't get on with Levy's methods only to then be in an even worse situation in 2 years time, surely it makes more sense to hire someone who has a track record of working under similar conditions?
'O Zio
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They're both hot prospects as managers, but for me neither of them has the "status" yet to walk into one of the really top jobs IMO. Especially with the likes of Mourinho and Allegri currently available. I'm not saying we're nailed on to get one of them but I don't see why we'd automatically be ruled out. We'd almost certainly be in the conversation.
As for Leipzig they're a team with a lot of money but no identity and no prestige. They're an interesting project, nothing more. They're surely a means to an end for almost everyone involved whether it's players or coaching staff. If a good job comes up in the summer I can't imagine Nagelsmann is that desperate to stay at Leipzig. That's not to say he's unhappy, but I just don't see why he'd turn down better offers to stay there.
Everlasting Seconds
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No, thank you. No more projects. No more philosophy. Philosophy is an ancient subject for theoretical thinking or for late nights at the boozer. Football is for tactics, pragmatics and winning. It's sports, not a fucking academic exercise.
Bring me somebody who will keep it tight and nicely structured down below, have a lean but well shaped middle and dress up with arousing, free flowing top. Oh, I'm digressing, here I am talking about brunettes again. But it goes for a manger, too.
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Fair enough. I still don't see us getting either, but then I doubt we can get Allegri interested either. Not saying it's impossible in any way, just can't see it now where there will be a bunch of clubs keeping their eyes open for a new manager.
I base it on Nagelsmann being so young, so there really is no reason to hurry off and risk his rising reputation by going into the PL (or Spain). I see him as smart enough to spend some time and develop his skills before taking on a bigger job.
dagraham
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I actually think a lot of Spurs fans are institutionalised.
'O Zio
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I'm not talking about any kind of "philosophy" or whatever. I'm purely talking about how people like to work. I don't care who you are, everyone has a way they work. The way Mourinho works is basically the polar opposite of the way that Levy works, that's where the problem lies. Being "the best" doesn't necessarily mean you're the best fit.
Like I said earlier, I am intrigued as to what would happen, just on the off chance. But I think people are getting far too carried away with him when there are several quite clear warning signs that indicate it would most likely not work out.
'O Zio
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You may be right but I think it's certainly worth a try, with Nagelsmann in particular. I think we've got more chance of getting him than Allegri.
dagraham
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Absolutely this. Operating “cleverly” and “doing things differently” could be said to have been a good strategy at one time and may earn us some brownie points and see us damned with faint praise, but that kind of thinking and way of operating has a shelf life.
Especially when you want to charge close to the highest ticket prices in Europe. Otherwise the only thing we’ll win is the highest unsuccessful team to great stadium ratio.
Everlasting Seconds
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I understand you, but I'm not onboard with those who claim that Levy and Mourinho couldn't collaborate. Yes they have built their status in the game on different approaches, but I fully believe that if they were put together in the same club, they'd be a heck of a combination. For a time, though. For a time.
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But that's a debate for another thread.....
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If Mourinho could hold himself back from sniping about transfer funds it could be ok.
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