The Mauricio Pochettino thread

feet01 · Nov 10, 2019

NickHSpurs said:
ENIC are not perfect but they can’t be blamed for our team being out-performed consistently by inferior opposition of late, that falls on Poch and the players.

Finally someone with a brain

Tiffers · Nov 10, 2019

I’m with you here and don’t know what’s best solution for our current ills.
My head tells me it’s time to part with Poch but my heart tells me I love the man and what he’s achieved for us in the last 5 years.

Levy is stranded between a rock and a hard place.

Trees · Nov 10, 2019

Stamford said:
Poch is not even close to Klopp

Tiffers said:
I’m with you here and don’t know what’s best solution for our current ills.
My head tells me it’s time to part with Poch but my heart tells me I love the man and what he’s achieved for us in the last 5 years.

Levy is stranded between a rock and a hard place.

Bottom 3 will concentrate the mind.

Trees · Nov 10, 2019

Hercules said:
I am sharing my heart that bleeds for this club. They don’t give a toss like we do. I wouldn’t call it ITK. I call it my well founded emotional and passionate opinion.

I can tell you’re a fan Herc but in my view the buck stops with the manager on this one. There are £8.5 million reasons why.

winster · Nov 10, 2019

I simply think that the best squad we have had in generations has lost respect for Poch because we have won nothing. Son at LB against Chelsea was ridiculous as was starting a clearly unfit Kane in the CL final. Added to Pochs constant chopping and changing of starting line ups, poor tactically and then has no idea how to fix it with substitutions.... It is all taking its toll. The players are professionals so they can see poor decision making. Players dropped and then back in, others ostracised such as KWP.

All of this is one thing, results and disgusting performances are another. Time for change, right now.

muppetman · Nov 10, 2019

wrd said:
It's not a world class squad, feel like everybody overestimates our team on here.

Our fullbacks options are poor, our only hope on that front is the 2/3 we haven't given enough of an opportunity to know what they're capable off in Foyth/Sessegnon and possible KWP.
Lloris has been steadily getting worse, he's not world class.
Our CB's have aggressively aged, Unless sacking Poch unlocks the curious case of benjamin button then I can't see how we improve that.
Our DM's are not even an iota of what they used to be.

We have some quality players in Ndombele, Lo Celso, Kane, Son and then a few the tier below in Dele, Lamela with some showing signs of potential in Sanchez but we do not have a world class squad by any stretch of the imagination.

Although we still should be doing better than what we are.

Absolutely agree, I think people are taking the good stuff Poch has achieved with some of these players and assuming they are a top class squad of players - that isn't the case. Of course we should be playing better than we are but I wonder how many of our team walk into ManC or Liverpool and displace what's already there - not many.

dondo · Nov 10, 2019

Mr Pink said:
Steering the ship, projects ffs.

He's the manager and we've produced turgid football for the last 9 months.

That's the main point.And he hasn't got the best out of this current group of players, nowhere near it.

Your missing the point imo. Reading between the lines the he board have let him down
Pochettino wanted certain players out to rebuild the squad (the shot players) and ENIC wouldn’t buy until we sold (familiar story) so as it stands we are left with players not up to the way Pochettino wants them to play

Shadydan · Nov 10, 2019

wrd said:
It's not a world class squad, feel like everybody overestimates our team on here.

Our fullbacks options are poor, our only hope on that front is the 2/3 we haven't given enough of an opportunity to know what they're capable off in Foyth/Sessegnon and possible KWP.
Lloris has been steadily getting worse, he's not world class.
Our CB's have aggressively aged, Unless sacking Poch unlocks the curious case of benjamin button then I can't see how we improve that.
Our DM's are not even an iota of what they used to be.

We have some quality players in Ndombele, Lo Celso, Kane, Son and then a few the tier below in Dele, Lamela with some showing signs of potential in Sanchez but we do not have a world class squad by any stretch of the imagination.

Although we still should be doing better than what we are.

Because they are all under performing, when players under perform they are made to look worse than they are.

Back in August Jose said that he believed Spurs would challenge for the league which tells you everything.

Don't let anyone tell you we don't have a great squad, we do but they're not playing anywhere near their potential.

spursfan77 · Nov 10, 2019

Archibald&Crooks said:
I'm struggling here to get this right here. If I want Levy/ENIC to leave or sell up, how do I go about it?

Do I call him all sorts of ****s and bastards and tell him to fuck off out of my club?
Or
Do I show some respect for his past achievements and say it in a way that conveys that?

From the Poch stuff I know which method is most popular but I'm hoping someone can help me out here and point me in the right direction..........

Physically, I am of a mature age and (some might say unusually for SC) my mental age (possibly) corresponds with that. Hope that helps.

Oh and to the BSoDL I'd just like to say, no, no, not the face.

PS: The grass isn't always greener, be careful what you wish for, don't want to do a Leeds and beware the bogeyman have all been considered and discarded............ I feel the grass is sometimes greener, wishing for better is OK, doing a 'Leeds' is not relevant any more and the bogeyman is actually quite a nice guy.

Anyway, I' m not sure which way to lean. Help meeeeeeeee

Was it the SC mods and ITK early Christmas party today?!?! ?

I’m completely lost as to what’s suddenly going on in this thread.

TEESSIDE1 · Nov 10, 2019

WiganSpur said:
I'm ENIC out if Poch is still here for West Ham. But you are right, there is a world class squad for him to work with - unsettled or not. DL may not have got the outs that Poch wanted but he still brought in three big money signings.

And it's the job of the coach to cultivate a team spirit and manage the professional situations of the players. He hasn't done that.

If he’s unhappy that the players he wanted out are still here then he needs to drop them and not bloody pick them! He’s shooting himself in the foot. Look at Chelsea, they’ve a transfer ban, lost their star player and have they gone to shit? No they’ve brought youngsters into the squad/1st team and they’re excelling. We’ve the likes of Tanganga, Skipp and the highly sought after Parrott yet they’ve hardly featured, instead Poch has kept the rebels involved.

Seafordian Spurs · Nov 10, 2019

Hercules said:
Does not bode well. I cannot just sit back and enjoy this dross. ENIC is all about corporate, and less about the football. So much of the corporate suites empty, and much more. Poch should of left in the summer with how he felt, but he didn’t. I would of. Joe Lewis and Daniel Levy too friggin stubborn.

They rather puppets as managers who will play the violin they are given. We are more than likely to loose major, major assets in the summer. They will take in all the cash, and spend piss all in comparison. Our ‘almost there’ days will flicker into the corridors of time. Ten more years will pass with fak all to show for it, but a training complex and stadium.

sadly it is more reality than I can even fathom to have nightmares about. Poch’s fall was his moods and loosing the plot all over the place. Very difficult to get the players back on his side. I sense more backroom staff in important departments of the club will seek pastures new. The asset stripping will gleefully please ENIC, as this will of nullified the stadium debts.

so in conclusion we are damned. And I wish Poch could perform a Lazarus, and awaken us. I would be among the first to applaud him. But in all honesty it is beyond repair now. What a mess. And the ones I feel really sorry for is us tgr fans.

So you're saying there's a chance? ? Etc

dondo · Nov 10, 2019

NickHSpurs said:
ENIC are not perfect but they can’t be blamed for our team being out-performed consistently by inferior opposition of late, that falls on Poch and the players.

What if Pochettino warned the board of a major decline in a number of the player and wanted a clear out and a re build that he has alluded to and the board failed to deliver?
The inferior opposition you refer to are no longer inferior as our squad has declined so much

agrdavidsfan · Nov 10, 2019

If Kane wants out now then poch should
Go

Nebby · Nov 10, 2019

Joely said:
Agree. ENIC are not the owners to take us forward. Yes....built a great stadium but we are a business first. We have massive deficiencies in the squad. For example, I don't for one second believe Poch would have been happy going into this season with the fullback options we have.....a problem we've had for a couple of years now. On top of that he has to deal with certain players who want out. The main is not a miracle worker and for me ENIC have taken him for granted and honest opinion is I'm not convinced they would be all that fussed if he left as long as they got a payout for him and they'd go out and hire another manager who falls in line.

If Klopp was at us, I'm 99% sure he would have walked out on us.

What does this mean? What do you expect that hasn’t be delivered?

wrd · Nov 10, 2019

Shadydan said:
Because they are all under performing, when players under perform they are made to look worse than they are.

Back in August Jose said that he believed Spurs would challenge for the league which tells you everything.

Don't let anyone tell you we don't have a great squad, we do but they're not playing anywhere near their potential.

Whilst they are all underperforming I dont agree with Jose assessment. I think if we named our main 11 on top form on current ability it would not be close to City and Liv and he was being unrealistic. Its not a world class squad with weaknesses at fullback and DM especially.

You look at Leicester 11 and whilst our front 5 is better than theirs in Kane, Son, Lo Celso, Dele, Ndombele our other 6 for my money is not as good as theirs. The CB is debatable but as I say DM theirs is better, fullbacks are miles better and their goalkeeper isnt as good a shot stopper but makes less mistakes.

We might have a good level squad of 25 but if you look purely from a balance perspective then Leicester put out the more balanced 11. Maybe if Sess and Foyth come good we can edge them but their midfield is superbly balanced with quality in each role.

BringBack_leGin · Nov 10, 2019

ITK seems to be blaming Enic/ Levy for an easily top 4 squad floundering in 14th. Guess Poch had a point when he said he’s just a coach, going by this info it seems that Levy and Lewis are picking the team, designing the tactics and motivating the players.

For fuck sake, however much the transfer market has been ballsed up, the players in place are still far too good to be anything below sixth with 25 points from 25 matches or whatever the awful stat is. That’s 100% on Pochettino.

sidford · Nov 10, 2019

Hercules said:
Does not bode well. I cannot just sit back and enjoy this dross. ENIC is all about corporate, and less about the football. So much of the corporate suites empty, and much more. Poch should of left in the summer with how he felt, but he didn’t. I would of. Joe Lewis and Daniel Levy too friggin stubborn.

They rather puppets as managers who will play the violin they are given. We are more than likely to loose major, major assets in the summer. They will take in all the cash, and spend piss all in comparison. Our ‘almost there’ days will flicker into the corridors of time. Ten more years will pass with fak all to show for it, but a training complex and stadium.

sadly it is more reality than I can even fathom to have nightmares about. Poch’s fall was his moods and loosing the plot all over the place. Very difficult to get the players back on his side. I sense more backroom staff in important departments of the club will seek pastures new. The asset stripping will gleefully please ENIC, as this will of nullified the stadium debts.

so in conclusion we are damned. And I wish Poch could perform a Lazarus, and awaken us. I would be among the first to applaud him. But in all honesty it is beyond repair now. What a mess. And the ones I feel really sorry for is us tgr fans.

And here was I thinking my mood couldn't get any worse this wkend. That's a thoroughly depressing read and summation of how things are.

Least we'll always have the last 4 years to look back fondly on, never thought we would have that sort of enjoyment and what for us represented success despite what some fans would say about trophies.
If it is like that then Poch should walk asap without doing any further damage his reputation.

srups34 · Nov 10, 2019

agrdavidsfan said:
if Kane wants out if Poch stays as trix is saying then he shouldn't be here by tomorrow

When did Trix say this?

dtxspurs · Nov 10, 2019

JayB said:
It’s not a binary choice between Tielemans and the signings we made. We’re still looking for another signing in that area to replace Eriksen. Selling Dembele (which we had to do) and failing to replace him was a huge mistake.

To answer your question, presumably Poch has turned down every DM the scouting team has recommended as we’ve not shown the slightest inclination to bring one in.

Replacing Dembele didn’t really have an effect on anything. We made the UCL final and kept top 4. Then we replaced him, I thought we should have done it last summer but I'm happy we waited with the player we ended up with.

To me, we weren't going to buy anymore b2b type players. We now have three of them in Ndombele, Winks & Sissoko. We needed a Dembele replacement (got it), & we needed 2 creators in the team. We got one in Lo Celso, who we all would take over Tielemans I'm guessing and we need one more when Eriksen leaves.

ghjk_91 · Nov 10, 2019

What is it with Spurs and the constant melodrama behind the scenes. I swear we've got more drama going on than Shakespeare writing an episode of Dallas on steroids.

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