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Should Poch stay or go?

  • Stay

    Votes: 657 55.3%

  • Go

    Votes: 532 44.7%
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danielneeds

danielneeds

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Sandros Shiny Head said:
We have a much better squad than Utd who he won trophies with. We already have Ndombele and Kane which negates the £180m they spent on Lukaku and Pogba
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Liverpool and City weren’t fully formed then though. Are there any trophies apart from Europa League you don’t see them hoovering up this season and the next?

We need to either give Poch time to rebuild the side or target a manager who can rebuild one with a clear style of play: I just don’t see that from Jose in the latter part of this decade.
 
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Darrenh61

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dontcallme said:
On my stream only at the final whistle.

Would be interesting to hear from someone who was there.
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I was there and it was not very pleasant. I sit in block 250 and there were two scraps/fights between our own fans, fans objecting to other fans being negative about the team, proper punches/slaps before the stewards ejected four fans. The boos at the end were very loud and sustained and several players went straight down the tunnel and applause was half hearted for players who did clap the crowd. For the first time since the end of avb I did feel the poch years could be coming to an end.
 
mrlilywhite

mrlilywhite

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LeParisien said:
The last successful Jose rebuild was first time at Chelsea. Our squad doesn’t just need a pep talk. It needs players
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Nonetheless, he still did it and that is something that Poch has struggled with at Spurs and for Poch, that's a huge thing to not be able to get done. Poch's whole football ethos relies on one system and style and that is it and his system is brutal. From the training to the high-intensity matches it stretches the player's abilities to the maximum and at its core is fitness.

I watched a lot of Leeds last season, for the simple reason of watching a Bielsa system and seeing how it compares to Poch's and they are so similar. The problem for Leeds and Bielsa last season was burnout and that is a direct comparison to what we see at Spurs. Once Poch sees that he no longer has the players to perform, then the results vanish as he relies exclusively on one style of play. Poch is the problem, not the players. A manager with any tactical knowledge would do a better job than Poch.

I'm not a fan of Jose and isn't top of my list to replace Poch, however, if it was him or Poch and no other choice? I'd go for Jose all the time and that is because of how weak Poch's tactical game is.
 
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specspurs

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I went to my first game in a long, long time and I was truly shocked by how bad we were (apart from Son) and how poorly we were set up and how narrow we were.
It's true, that Sheffield United were highly motivated and well organised but their weaknesses were there for all to see but we simply were unable to exploit them due to our rigid pattern of play, our turgid ball movement and our unbelievable level of immobility.
I am afraid that I have to put this all on Poch as the organisation, pattern of play and inability to spot the opposing teams weakness is entirely the manager's responsibility.
Around me the general consensus was that we have been atrocious for this season and more and it's time for Poch to go.
There was no booing our players but there was general despair at the unacceptable level of performance.
In fact the most booing that I heard was at the time taken for the second VAR decision on the Sheffield United goal.
BTW, the stadium is magnificent, shame that this team doesn't match it's surroundings.
 
StevePil

StevePil

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Dec 30, 2006
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I genuinely dont understand how there are still fans who want him to remain?

What are we missing? the performances are terrible, no away wins since Jan, 40 points from last 30 PL matches, out of Carabao cup to Colchester, FA Cup last season to Palace....

Won nothing, happy with squad 1 day, the next not... the man is deluded and it is such a shame as I loved him a few seasons ago, but this being dragged out is making my feelings towards him change and I just want him to go now, yet I am shocked there are still so many who want him to remain and I genuinely dont understand how you feel he is turning this round? its not a few games blip
 
Spurger King

Spurger King

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Jul 22, 2008
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mrlilywhite said:
Nonetheless, he still did it and that is something that Poch has struggled with at Spurs and for Poch, that's a huge thing to not be able to get done. Poch's whole football ethos relies on one system and style and that is it and his system is brutal. From the training to the high-intensity matches it stretches the player's abilities to the maximum and at its core is fitness.

I watched a lot of Leeds last season, for the simple reason of watching a Bielsa system and seeing how it compares to Poch's and they are so similar. The problem for Leeds and Bielsa last season was burnout and that is a direct comparison to what we see at Spurs. Once Poch sees that he no longer has the players to perform, then the results vanish as he relies exclusively on one style of play. Poch is the problem, not the players. A manager with any tactical knowledge would do a better job than Poch.

I'm not a fan of Jose and isn't top of my list to replace Poch, however, if it was him or Poch and no other choice? I'd go for Jose all the time and that is because of how weak Poch's tactical game is.
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There was an article from about a year ago on Bielsa’s management style. In Argentina he would regularly make wholesale changes to the squad in order to keep the average age very low.

Pochettino has generally done that. Sessegnon is a good example. The problem is that you’re rebuilding every few seasons. We had a brilliant young squad, that got better the longer they played together, right up to the point where collectively they just don’t have the legs to press like they did 3-4 years ago. Over the last couple of years that drop off in pressing hasn’t impacted too badly due to having a settled team of players who understood each other well.

Now we have unsettled players, players past their prime, new signings that the other players need to get used to, and vice versa, and a manager that doesn’t have the players to suit his main style of play.

As you say, these aren’t poor players, but they’re not able to play to Pochettino’s managerial strengths. A more tactically astute manager would be able to make more of what is still a talented squad.

In addition to that, I think the whole club is probably still very deflated about missing out on a chance of genuine glory. That was the moment; everything this ‘project’ had been building towards, and we blew it in a matter of seconds.
 
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Dougal said:
We’re not having new thread polls after every game. We have a thread with a changeable poll.
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Got it.

Didn't think I could slip away with another thread anyways, i'm sorry. . Worth a shot though, as the 56% can't be real.
 
mrlilywhite

mrlilywhite

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Spurger King said:
There was an article from about a year ago on Bielsa’s management style. In Argentina he would regularly make wholesale changes to the squad in order to keep the average age very low.

Pochettino has generally done that. Sessegnon is a good example. The problem is that you’re rebuilding every few seasons. We had a brilliant young squad, that got better the longer they played together, right up to the point where collectively they just don’t have the legs to press like they did 3-4 years ago. Over the last couple of years that drop off in pressing hasn’t impacted too badly due to having a settled team of players who understood each other well.

Now we have unsettled players, players past their prime, new signings that the other players need to get used to, and vice versa, and a manager that doesn’t have the players to suit his main style of play.

As you say, these aren’t poor players, but they’re not able to play to Pochettino’s managerial strengths. A more tactically astute manager would be able to make more of what is still a talented squad.

In addition to that, I think the whole club is probably still very deflated about missing out on a chance of genuine glory. That was the moment; everything this ‘project’ had been building towards, and we blew it in a matter of seconds.
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This is the exact same thing I have been saying for what seems like an age - Glad I'm not the only one who sees the limitations of Poch's counter-press. I would argue that Poch has acted too late with the recycling of the squad, and you could argue that that is where Levy should have backed him more.

For me, it's never been about the system or style of the counter-press, it's what Poch does when it becomes clear that he no longer has the players to play his system? He is very limited as a tactical coach and that is what is killing us right now.

When I hear fans at the stadium singing he's magic, I often question there understanding of our manager and I can not for one moment honestly understand how they think he is going to turn things around.

I have said this recently, but if fans wanted to see an example of how flawed Poch is, then you only have to look at the Bayern game. 30 minutes of scintillating high intensity and high counter-pressing football followed by "I have no idea what to bloody do next" football. It polarised just how limited he really is. Simply put, without the press he is average.
 
slartibartfast

slartibartfast

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Oct 21, 2012
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Dougal said:
You want a second referendum because you don’t like the result of the first? Let me know how you go about it will you?
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And another one if that doesnt work out right.
And then another.
And another.
Isn't democracy wonderful?

Edit. Apologies for bring this crap in here...

But you started it lol.
 
spursfan77

spursfan77

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The way this is going we’ll be calling for allardyce in February to be our manager to save us from relegation.

100% I am not advocating him to be our manager, I’d hate it but if we don’t sort it out by Christmas we will be seeking a relegation avoidance expert in in February or March. We are that bad.
 
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