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E17yid · Oct 24, 2019

South Africa announcing their team a day early like last week. No Kolbe. Surprised Marx isn’t starting.

South Africa: Le Roux; Nkosi, Am, De Allende, Mapimpi; Pollard, De Klerk; Mtawarira, Mbonambi, Malherbe, Etzebeth, De Jager, Kolisi (capt), Du Toit, Vermeulen

Replacements: Marx, Kitschoff, Koch, Snyman, Mostert, Louw, H Jantjies, Steyn

E17yid · Oct 24, 2019

Must admit I didn’t think he’d bring Ford back in.

England: Daly; Watson, Tuilagi, Farrell (capt), May; Ford, Youngs; M Vunipola, George, Sinckler, Itoje, Lawes, Curry, Underhill, B Vunipola.

Replacements: Cowan-Dickie, Marler, Cole, Kruis, Wilson, Heinz, Slade, Joseph

talkshowhost86 · Oct 24, 2019

E17yid said:
Must admit I didn’t think he’d bring Ford back in.

England: Daly; Watson, Tuilagi, Farrell (capt), May; Ford, Youngs; M Vunipola, George, Sinckler, Itoje, Lawes, Curry, Underhill, B Vunipola.

Replacements: Cowan-Dickie, Marler, Cole, Kruis, Wilson, Heinz, Slade, Joseph

It's certainly an interesting call.

But I have to say I trust Eddie on this one as I wasn't sure about the change for the Aussie game and that turned out to be the right decision.

I'm actually not sure it's as big a change as we thought previously anyway. Effectively it's still playing two fly-halves at 10 and 12 either way.

Regardless of selection I still don't think England will win, but I hope they put up a good account of themselves.

Japhet · Oct 24, 2019

E17yid said:
Looks like it was true

New Zealand: Beauden Barrett; Sevu Reece, Jack Goodhue, Anton Lienert-Brown, George Bridge; Richie Mo'unga, Aaron Smith; Joe Moody, Codie Taylor, Nepo Laulala, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Scott Barrett, Ardie Savea, Kieran Read (capt).

Replacements: Dane Coles, Ofa Tuungafasi, Angus Ta'avao, Patrick Tuipulotu, Sam Cane, TJ Perenara, Sonny Bill Williams, Jordie Barrett.

Not sure why you'd drop Sam Cane. I suppose Barrett brings a bit more to the set piece but I think they lose a bit in the loose against Curry and Underhill.

E17yid · Oct 24, 2019

Japhet said:
Not sure why you'd drop Sam Cane. I suppose Barrett brings a bit more to the set piece but I think they lose a bit in the loose against Curry and Underhill.

I think it’s to disrupt your line out. I guess it another big guy for Curry and Underhill to clear out at the breakdown to.

I can’t believe that in Cane’s 60 odd caps he has never played against England. Crazy.

talkshowhost86 · Oct 24, 2019

Have to say I was quite pleased to see Cane not playing as he's been excellent from what I've see of the ABs so far.

But Barrett is hardly a bad replacement is he? Just hope that him playing 'out of position' in such a big game turns out to be a mistake. I suspect he'll more than cope though.

I do actually think England's pack are pretty well setup to counter New Zealand. I'd certainly be surprised to either team completely dominate that area of the game like NZ did against Ireland.

Japhet · Oct 24, 2019

talkshowhost86 said:
Have to say I was quite pleased to see Cane not playing as he's been excellent from what I've see of the ABs so far.

But Barrett is hardly a bad replacement is he? Just hope that him playing 'out of position' in such a big game turns out to be a mistake. I suspect he'll more than cope though.

I do actually think England's pack are pretty well setup to counter New Zealand. I'd certainly be surprised to either team completely dominate that area of the game like NZ did against Ireland.

I think it's a bit of a 'swings and roundabouts' call from Hansen. More weight in the scrum and a lineout options versus a bit less mobility and scavenging in the loose.

teok · Oct 24, 2019

That selection from eddie says to me that you have to actually go for it against NZ. You have to score at least 20-30 (some how).

Look at ireland they tried to keep it tight and made 3 minor mistakes in the first 20 mins and were 20 points down.

SA threw every thing at them in the first 20 putting on more physical pressure than any other team is capable of and were only 3 up after 20. Then they made a couple of minor mistakes and were suddenly 15-20 down.

To put it simply NZ are better than england in every area of the game, they don't have any weaknesses. England will have to collectively play the best game of their lives and get some luck just to be even with them.

How you are supposed to mark barrett I have no idea, he doesn't just play the traditonal 10 role he pops up all over the back line. I'm also cringing already thinking about daly's defence at full back.

Japhet · Oct 24, 2019

teok said:
That selection from eddie says to me that you have to actually go for it against NZ. You have to score at least 20-30 (some how).

Look at ireland they tried to keep it tight and made 3 minor mistakes in the first 20 mins and were 20 points down.

SA threw every thing at them in the first 20 putting on more physical pressure than any other team is capable of and were only 3 up after 20. Then they made a couple of minor mistakes and were suddenly 15-20 down.

To put it simply NZ are better than england in every area of the game, they don't have any weaknesses. England will have to collectively play the best game of their lives and get some luck just to be even with them.

How you are supposed to mark barrett I have no idea, he doesn't just play the traditonal 10 role he pops up all over the back line. I'm also cringing already thinking about daly's defence at full back.

I'd prefer Watson at 15 (have said as much right through), but Daly's there for his kicking IMO. NZ might not even bother targetting him with so many other aspects to their game that don't risk coughing up possession.

teok · Oct 24, 2019

It's not his catching but his tackling/positioning that is bad. He is a top class winger that has been shunted to fb. He doesn't have enough experience.

'O Zio · Oct 24, 2019

talkshowhost86 said:
But Barrett is hardly a bad replacement is he? Just hope that him playing 'out of position' in such a big game turns out to be a mistake. I suspect he'll more than cope though.

Exactly. People said the same thing about his brother and look how that turned out...it just made him harder than ever to play against :LOL:

E17yid · Oct 24, 2019

It shows NZ are worried a bit about your pack, though. I’m surprised as you’d think the focus would be more on them and Cane is one of best 7s in the world and as mobile and as good as S Barrett is he’s a 2nd row starting his first game in the back row in his career. He did come off then bench for Squire after HT in your last game against them but still.

Great that Jones has gone with Ford coz its like the 2 teams are going the opposite way in their selection. NZ are looking to nullify you and your looking to play some rugby. Should be a great game. It’s no more than 60/40 in NZ favour

E17yid · Oct 24, 2019

What the the fuck has happened to Ioane. I mean, I know what’s happened to him, he’s gone from the best winger in the world 1 year ago to not even making the bench for a semi final. Shows how savage competition is in NZ you’ve got to be in form to even make the squad. I guess that’s another thing to consider with S Barrett, he’s in great form at the moment.

Japhet · Oct 24, 2019

E17yid said:
It shows NZ are worried a bit about your pack, though. I’m surprised as you’d think the focus would be more on them and Cane is one of best 7s in the world and as mobile and as good as S Barrett is he’s a 2nd row starting his first game in the back row in his career. He did come off then bench for Squire after HT in your last game against them but still.

Great that Jones has gone with Ford coz its like the 2 teams are going the opposite way in their selection. NZ are looking to nullify you and your looking to play some rugby. Should be a great game. It’s no more than 60/40 in NZ favour

I think we can hurt them. The question is, can we rock their confidence, becuse that's what it will take to beat them. I doubt very much that we can.

E17yid · Oct 24, 2019

Japhet said:
I think we can hurt them. The question is, can we rock their confidence, becuse that's what it will take to beat them. I doubt very much that we can.

Whatever you do don’t belt out swing low sweet chariot during the Haka.

talkshowhost86 · Oct 24, 2019

E17yid said:
What the the fuck has happened to Ioane. I mean, I know what’s happened to him, he’s gone from the best winger in the world 1 year ago to not even making the bench for a semi final. Shows how savage competition is in NZ you’ve got to be in form to even make the squad. I guess that’s another thing to consider with S Barrett, he’s in great form at the moment.

NZ wingers generally have a pretty short shelf life. As you say though it's not because they lose form, it's just because they've got so much talent all the time in that position. It's also the role you can probably most get away with playing a new player at the top level.

E17yid · Oct 24, 2019

Fucking great, Liam Williams looks like he’s injured now. If J Davies is out then that’s almost half our first 15 out. We never catch a fucking break with injuries in world cups.

E17yid · Oct 24, 2019

That’s 2 of our world class players (Faletau and Williams) injured in fucking training FFS. Only Wales.

talkshowhost86 · Oct 24, 2019

E17yid said:
That’s 2 of our world class players (Faletau and Williams) injured in fucking training FFS. Only Wales.

Got to blame the management really.

Or the Welsh diet.

teok · Oct 24, 2019

Biggar at 15?

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