bubble07
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Agree. I think it's best if he goes but want him to go Madrid rather than United
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Agree. I think it's best if he goes but want him to go Madrid rather than United
Thewobbler
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As we have seen over the years when players don't want to play for a manager they wont, regardless of how much they get paid and what the fans think.
Yes its embarrassing as they should be putting in a shift every week for the fans but the reality is they live in a totally different world regarding there job and they know they are to valuable so can do as they please.
If a new manager came in and suddenly the players spring in to life the fans will cheer and forgive them like the last 9 months didnt happen.
slartibartfast
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Whats got people proper pissed off imo is we can all handle losing and simply not being good enough. Christ knows we've seen enough of that down the years. But a lack of effort? No, sorry, thats not acceptable. Even when we sucked balls at least everyone gave 100% every game.
God some of these modern footballers are tossers. No pride or heart at all. Just total self interest. Overpaid babies.
We have players who do care I should add. But if even 2 of your 11 arent 100% committed you're up shit creek at this level and wehave about 4 or 5 plus players who arent good enough and a coach who has lost his way.
God some of these modern footballers are tossers. No pride or heart at all. Just total self interest. Overpaid babies.
We have players who do care I should add. But if even 2 of your 11 arent 100% committed you're up shit creek at this level and wehave about 4 or 5 plus players who arent good enough and a coach who has lost his way.
Gilzeanking
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Interesting convo here imo . My take is Kane has changed his style seemingly permanently . This has had a major effect on our success .
10 man oppo defences had a truly world class CF to deal with . If it wasn't him scoring it was others around him finding space created by defenders dealing with a proverbial bull in a china shop striker .
He's still good , but this year make no mistake he has changed . A big factor in our decline..Where can we reliably get goals from now ?
Its probably to do with his ankles imo .I'm not sure he played within himself at the CL final or is deliberately playing at 70% , but as pointed out above he simply isn't busting a gut to get to the headers or generally putting himself about .
He used to be expert at using his strength in the pen area to lever defenders off & find space to get shots away . Also his speed of thought seems to have slowed in tight areas and he loses possession more than I remember . His number of shots per game have fallen off a cliff .
Yes, I missed the England-Bulgaria Kane triumph (as Scers seem to see it) but I expect it was Bulgarian slack defence rather than Kane hitting the heights suddenly freed from Poch's orbit .
10 man oppo defences had a truly world class CF to deal with . If it wasn't him scoring it was others around him finding space created by defenders dealing with a proverbial bull in a china shop striker .
He's still good , but this year make no mistake he has changed . A big factor in our decline..Where can we reliably get goals from now ?
Its probably to do with his ankles imo .I'm not sure he played within himself at the CL final or is deliberately playing at 70% , but as pointed out above he simply isn't busting a gut to get to the headers or generally putting himself about .
He used to be expert at using his strength in the pen area to lever defenders off & find space to get shots away . Also his speed of thought seems to have slowed in tight areas and he loses possession more than I remember . His number of shots per game have fallen off a cliff .
Yes, I missed the England-Bulgaria Kane triumph (as Scers seem to see it) but I expect it was Bulgarian slack defence rather than Kane hitting the heights suddenly freed from Poch's orbit .
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dontcallme
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I don't think it's as straightforward as "will try, won't try." Every human being doing a job will perform better when happy and in the right environment.
For years people have advocated us keeping players because "they owe us, "they're on a contract" or whatever.
If people don't like the training regime the manager has them on or the manager's people skills or whatever then they can get their head down for a while but eventually they'll stop performing.
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Not sure poch would win anything at utd.
nailsy
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I don't like booing either, but I think fans will accept a lack of ability, but they won't accept a lack of effort.
I think it would be a quick appointment, but if we needed someone for a game or two then Hoddle would be my pick...if he's healthy enough to do it.
I'm not a Jose fan, but I will say that he can also work with the players that he inherits. The year United finished second they had a back four of Young, Smalling, Jones and Valencia. Yes, he wants to spend money on players, but managers at rich clubs always want to spend money on players. If you're manager of one of the richest club's in the world and your target is to overtake Man City you're probably going to want to spend more money on transfers than them.
bubble07
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He would get a tune out of rashford lingard Martial. Just that alone would make a massive difference
Gilzeanking
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Something I see a lot of here...about how great our players are . I always go back to a Toby quote 'Without our effort we are ordinary'
Its key to understanding our situation imo . We with Poch were always about putting more effort into the match than the oppo .Yes Kane world class striker , but I'm not as convinced as many here on the actual individual footballing pedigrees of our other players . Good players of course and we were clobbering the likes of Real Madrid ...by overwhelming them with our effort .
Take our effort away and we are ordinary...it just says it all for me .
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bubble07
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For Mourinho to be affordable we need a club to approach us for Poch.. Madrid just lost again
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Keeping Kane requires two acts to be fufilled
Sack Pochettno is the first
The new manager appointment is the second
Mourinho/Allegri will be a signal of intent to move up a level and genuinely complete for trophies
Likes of Eddie Howe or some promising european managers will mean another 5 yrs project
Guess which one will make him stick around
nailsy
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The other thing I'm wondering about now, is whether the players that Jose would want would be much different from those that Poch wants. At least in price.
freeeki
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I’d had a lot of rum at this point and was struggling to type.
Only reason I didn’t go for skanky bitch ass hoe
Respectfully disagree. Watch Kane thrive under a new manager.
bubble07
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I'm inclined to believe Jose would have loved half our team when he was at United so he would be happy with what he has. Also when a new manager comes in he is no player loyalties. Fringe players get a new lease and the Poch favourites get a kick up the arse
Mourinho has won more trophies than our clubs entire history
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Myself and a lot on here have been saying this for weeks.
As soon as I saw the lineup and formation yesterday I knew it was going to be a tough afternoon.
Its simple, play the players who want to play for the club and pick a system and stick to it
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