The Mauricio Pochettino thread

DannyNZ · Oct 20, 2019

spurs mental said:
I'm laughing at the WhatsApp inviting him to dinner with the team showing that they're behind him.

They'll probably tell him after he finishes his starter that they want him out

The want always will be looking for Poch to pick up the bill. Promises to be a long night for Poch as he’s been struggling to settle on his starters lately.

ilikeost · Oct 20, 2019

Feels like the Liverpool game will be the end doesn't it?

Mr Pink · Oct 20, 2019

Dougal said:
When you use ‘if’ you’re really proving my point. Things can still change, so much can still happen and that is when Levy’s poker game comes into play. Poch’s head may well be the price to pay for all of this but that is still only one of the possible consequences of our form, albeit the obvious one and the short term solution to the blood thirstiness of some fans and media. But that still leaves us with the same players and the random manager generator which is another gamble in itself. We could improve, as we all expect the other teams to do so. We could have the Revolution Poch wants with Lo Celso and Sess about to enter the fray as well as possible January arrivals. This isn’t burying our head in the sand like an ostrich. This is a meerkat, head up, surveying all risks, dangers and escapes routes. Simples.

I'm really not.

When you say things can still change what are you basing that on exactly? This is much more than about personnel, and a couple of new faces in the team.

It's about Poch's handle on the squad. Motivating, organising and preparing them as a collective. It's bloody obvious he's struggling massively in this regard.

With respect at least I'm basing my argument on how we've played since February. That's the evidence on the pitch, the points we've accumulated and the level of performance.

And the trend isn't improving, its getting worse.

McFlash · Oct 20, 2019

Matty miller said:
It’s terrible over the last 8-9 months but for me we keep our nerve. Might be a really shit season, but we know poch is a top manager and will only learn from this experience.

Do we really know that Poch is a top manager?
I have serious doubts. He's a lovely bloke, yes, but that will only get him so far.

Dougal · Oct 20, 2019

Mr Pink said:
I'm really not.

When you say things can still change what are you basing that on exactly? This is much more than about personnel, and a couple of new faces in the team.

It's about Poch's handle on the squad. Motivating, organising and preparing them as a collective. It's bloody obvious he's struggling massively in this regard.

With respect at least I'm basing my argument on how we've played since February. That's the evidence on the pitch, the points we've accumulated and the level of performance.

And the trend isn't improving, its getting worse.

So it was better before, Poch had a handle on it, and it changed. But it can’t change again? That’s the point of revolution isn’t it? As Poch pointed out months ago and why Levy’s mindset is so important here. I’m not giving my feelings in the matter. The form is there to see and I’m not clouding it with my own emotions. I’m trying to read Levy. And while Poch remains the the hot seat, saying that Levy isn’t ready to dump him remains correct.

Two unarguable facts. Shit form. Poch still in a job. Objectively ask ‘why?’ is all I’m saying.

Mr Pink · Oct 20, 2019

Dougal said:
So it was better before, Poch had a handle on it, and it changed. But it can’t change again? That’s the point of revolution isn’t it? As Poch pointed out months ago and why Levy’s mindset is so important here. I’m not giving my feelings in the matter. The form is there to see and I’m not clouding it with my own emotions. I’m trying to read Levy. And while Poch remains the the hot seat, saying that Levy isn’t ready to dump him remains correct.

Two unarguable facts. Shit form. Poch still in a job. Objectively ask ‘why?’ is all I’m saying.

Because there are many variables at play here.

Huge compensation being one.

Levy may well have decided to back a rebuild and write off the season in terms of top four.

That could be his state of mind now but things could change his mind.

Who knows, I don't think things will improve for quite a long time, so I guess it's down to what road Levy wants to go down.

But football is a results based business and even if Levy adopts the patient long term approach and backs a complete rebuild, surely results and performances have to be better than this in the interim?

spursfan77 · Oct 20, 2019

McFlash said:
Do we really know that Poch is a top manager?
I have serious doubts. He's a lovely bloke, yes, but that will only get him so far.

he’s definitely a good manager. It’s just run it’s course here unfortunately. I really don’t know where we go from here.

scat1620 · Oct 20, 2019

Dougal said:
Two unarguable facts. Shit form. Poch still in a job. Objectively ask ‘why?’ is all I’m saying.

My answer to that question would be that the footballing side of the club - from transfers to first team performance to youth development - has been handled pretty appallingly for the last 2 years, and that there are lots of people across all levels at the club who are responsible for this. Poch not having yet been given his P45 since the Bayern Munich game, and the subsequent poor results we got against Brighton and Watford, is a symptom of Levy not doing his job on the footballing side by recognising that Pochettino's time should be up.

But that's just one thing on a big laundry list of ways that we are currently fucking up across the board: there's very, very little to be positive about as a Spurs fan at the moment, IMO.

shelfboy68 · Oct 20, 2019

ilikeost said:
Feels like the Liverpool game will be the end doesn't it?

Certainly won't be a pretty sight and if it means the curtain comes down on his time with us a mauling would not be a fitting end.

bubble07 · Oct 20, 2019

wiggo24 said:
Failure to win against Red Star, followed by a humiliation against Liverpool might be his end tbh.

Just don't understand his thinking today at all - if you're going to be ruthless, drop Rose, drop Toby, get the younger players in and start the other players who have been committed this season.

Instead, he changes system AGAIN and leaves Lamela, Son and Ndombele on the bench. Bizarre.

Being ruthless is a huge risk though. He clearly thinks players that want to be here will player Worse than better players who dont want to be here

gaffers · Oct 20, 2019

Dougal said:
So it was better before, Poch had a handle on it, and it changed. But it can’t change again? That’s the point of revolution isn’t it? As Poch pointed out months ago and why Levy’s mindset is so important here. I’m not giving my feelings in the matter. The form is there to see and I’m not clouding it with my own emotions. I’m trying to read Levy. And while Poch remains the the hot seat, saying that Levy isn’t ready to dump him remains correct.

Two unarguable facts. Shit form. Poch still in a job. Objectively ask ‘why?’ is all I’m saying.

The russian revolution took 9 months, the french one just over a year. This ain't a revolution.

Zummerzet Spur · Oct 20, 2019

Let’s hope we raise our game and give the scousers a good fight and it turns our season around.

Ever the optimist ?

Spunkmonkey · Oct 20, 2019

A 4-0 defeat at Anfield finished an increasingly out of his depth Gerry Francis off over 20 years ago. The same result will be the final nail in Poch’s coffin.

Kspur · Oct 20, 2019

Hercules said:
Just this very second at 18:34 left the ground. The vibes regarding Poch is not good in any way. Plus his latest comments he is saying our new signings need to be match ready. It has not gone down well. I have never known such a bad feeling/vibe within our great club for years. Make your own minds up.

Never known.... ?? must be a newbie round these parts.

Mr Pink · Oct 20, 2019

The thing I don't get is even if we're overseeing a rebuild that doesn't, and shouldn't, excuse poor performances for however so long.

I mean seriously, that squad is still more than good enough to be competing at the top end of the table.

Primativ · Oct 20, 2019

Monkey Bastard Hands said:
I’m an ardent Poch supporter but really starting to struggle to back him after yesterday. To me the issue is that there is too much deadwood in the squad which is negatively impacting things. But what is confusing the fuck out of me is why Poch is still playing those players. If he was to drop them, refresh the team with players who aren’t negative influences then I think we’d be fine, we’d have players who buy in to what Poch’s doing and I’m convinced the results would come.

But he’s not dropping them. Why??? He did it in 2014 - why isn’t he doing it now? This is where he needs to be ruthless and show his capability as a manager. Alex Ferguson would have canned the likes of Rose, Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Eriksen etc already but Poch continues to play them. This is the difference between Poch being a world class manager and not, and if he’s not going to do it and rebuild the team with what we have now, then it’ll be too late by January.

Maybe because the issue isn’t what you think it is? Maybe it’s not that we have disruptive unprofessional players in the dressing room like we did in 2014.

Toby Verts and Eriksen are from what we know model professionals, yet they are playing like shit, but so is Kane, Son and every other player. If you think dropping the three players with contracts running down will sort this mess out you’re very mistaken. The issue is we have a coach in charge who the players don’t want any longer. But a Poch fans just can’t accept it so they look for other reasons like that the reason for all of this poor from is because of three players running down their contracts. It’s laughable.

dagraham · Oct 20, 2019

ilikeost said:
Feels like the Liverpool game will be the end doesn't it?

very much depends on Tuesday’s result I think.

Yiddo100 · Oct 20, 2019

-Afri-Coy- said:
I’m so surprised to see so many people placing all the blame on the players, and you have some kind of fantasy idea that Poch has world class tactics and all he needs is the right players to buy into his ethos?

Please stop with this bullshit. For all that Poch is as a manager, he is not a master tactician. He is not a rotation specialist. He is not a youth guru. He cannot use substitutions. He is not a master in the transfer market his stubbornness has cost us a fair few players who we would love to have now. The diamond has never and will never work for us. That’s just some of the on pitch issues. Never mind the off field issues.

For anyone who can’t see it clear as day now that we desperately need a change, then you probably never will. The players have to shoulder SOME of the blame, of course they do. But 90% of our problems over the past few months have to land on Poch’s table.

We need someone with some bite and winning pedigree, the only name that’s worth mentioning at the moment who would come in a heart beat is Mourinho.

Not all the blame is on the players of course not, but the players should be playing for the club and the fans, the fact that it took 85mins yesterday until the players showed even the smallest bit of passion and determination was quite frankly embarrassing.

shelfboy68 · Oct 20, 2019

Spunkmonkey said:
A 4-0 defeat at Anfield finished an increasingly out of his depth Gerry Francis off over 20 years ago. The same result will be the final nail in Poch’s coffin.

AVB lost 5-0 to them so the omens are not good

Zummerzet Spur · Oct 20, 2019

Got to love this guy, Spurs through and through.

Got very emotional when talking about playing for the shirt.

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