Coco-1101
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But that is from the business point of view. We are not comparing managers with net spend but how much budget is available and of which quality they can buy players.
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SheffieldAndy
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Net spend is just a crude way to evaluate money in vs money out. Transfer expenditure is how much spent is spent on transfers. Transfer income and transfer expenditure are not necessarily intrinsically linked in that basic of a fashion.
That interview clip with Danny Murphy that you link to, was a systematic analysis of what's what at Tottenham, and a cut above the kind of media punditry from windbags that too often pad out such programmes. It was a fascinating piece of radio from someone who played for Liverpool, Spurs and Fulham and who is an accomplished explainer of how footballers think and behave.
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Stop being patronising. You're making a straw man.
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Hence Klopp doesn't have a bigger budget (you know - the original point, before the straw-man army arrived).
Regardless, you can't just divide signings by total transfer cost and say "aha!" either, that's ridiculous and proves nothing - Aurier cost 5 times what Alli cost, so this whole line of logic is flawed on multiple levels.
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Thing is with Liverpool that they never stopped being a big club even during the 'lean years'. They still won a fair few trophies even though the premier league title eluded them. When people get irritated that we aren't competing with them - they never really stopped being a bigger club.
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No one is saying we are bigger than Lpool or we should spend the same as them.
The debate started on a point that its not fair that poch is compared with klopp and pep who have high budgets. That was it.
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Definitely in European terms - they've never been irrelevant ( 4 CL finals and 2 wins in the last 15 years) which is pretty important for reputation and attracting players.
They've not been as stable as us, yo-yoing somewhat, but they have won more than we'd have been happy with.
In terms of the current comparisons, I'm surprised people are comparing Poch to various Man Utd scenarios, or 'Klopp at Dortmund', when one of the more relevant scenarios would be Rodgers at Liverpool.
As much as Rodgers is good and has kicked on since then, I bet none of their fans would change that decision.
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Liverpool if you don’t stop ignoring the fact you’re comparing different timescales and calling it straw man, have pretty much exactly the same net spend which you’re so keen on quoting. But that doesn’t fit us spending a lot more than them that you like to trot out.
Though we are arguing hypotheticals as we have no idea how much either has to spend with or without outgoings. We do however know that Liverpool generate more than we do.
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Here we go. Once bullshit like this comes out you know there’s a problem behind closed doors.
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I'm not calling that "Straw Man". The entire debate was based around debunking that Klopp has some sort of Pep-level budget that Poch does not.
Those two comparators are in different timescales, I can't help it if you have a problem with that. This is what you said:
Ignoring the passive-aggressive/patronising tone, that's a straw-man argument because it adds nothing to the discussion of whether Klopp has a Poch or Pep level budget.
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Don’t worry it was worse when we had to go and watch under Sherwood. I hated being there. This is nowhere near that yet. Nowhere near.
But Liverpool signings that contribute to that figure for them that you present, were made last January or earlier because this summer just gone Liverpool didn't make new signings, I believe. The Spurs figure that you give, on the other hand, is for players only very recently signed (who've mostly not played yet). And you need to keep in mind the relatively modest fees that Spurs accepted for players leaving the club this summer, because that would affect any net figure for transfer spending.
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And then you split up with your bird and end up a sad depressed git, living in a one bedroom flat above a laundrette wanking over youporn and realising what a mistake you made.
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Liverpool signed Adrian, Harvey Elliot, and Sepp van den Berg this summer; the figures I was looking at reference £4m for Elliot, but not sure if that's official yet.
How we reached our net figure doesn't really detract from the total transfer investment for each manager though. People talk about Klopp like has spend Chelsea-level money each season, which isn't true - they had their own "Gareth Bale" fee with Coutinho - the difference is that they used the money to buy specific players they needed, whilst we let AVB blow it on random football-manager-esq names.
It's worth mentioning that the Bale fee stuff doesn't come in to any figures discussed, as it was before Poch's time, but the whole "spend" thing can be referenced there - Rodgers talked about how we'd "spent £100m" and should be winning the league, when we hadn't really - we'd simply replaced a Gareth Bale with a bunch of players.
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Suspiciously specific post that mate.
Fair point. What do we know about goings on behind closed doors at The Athletic? How to explain it all.
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I'm more of an old school Genesis fan. This excerpt from The Knife seems more apt for our painful rebuild. Quite extreme I'll admit.
:I'll give you the names of those you must kill,
All must die with their children.
Carry their heads to the palace of old,
Hang them high, let the blood flow.
Now, in this ugly world
break all the chains around us,
Now, the crusade has begun
give us a land fit for heroes,
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you soul less fucks. don’t you get it? I thought he was the one ?
spursfan77
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Just had an email from the club saying I can buy 3 guest tickets for the Belgrade game. Good to see fans are deserting the team in a moment of need.
And we wonder why the players don’t look bothered.
And we wonder why the players don’t look bothered.
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