Poch: In or Out? - You CAN change your vote

Spurs72 · Oct 2, 2019

I voted Poch out.

I like the guy and I do think he is a good Manager, getting to Finals and being a runner up is great but we need more than that, maybe he (Levy) just needs to freshen things up and Poch can turn this all around, and maybe Levy will freshen it up and we will get 6 more years of Mediocrity, IDK, Poch out is solely because he seems to have some players that won't play for him and he has no Idea of how to fix it, I for 1 am done seeing scores like 7-2 @ Home none the less.

piedpiper · Oct 2, 2019

fishhhandaricecake said:
This battering has been coming, we’ve defended awfully for ages, we could and should’ve let in 10 away to Man City earlier this season. Something is very wrong.

Need Dier.. Shielding the defence.

Flashspur · Oct 2, 2019

I voted stay. He has a lot of goodwill but results will depend on whether he stays. This is the time for cojones, him and the squad. I thought he handled the post match interviews well. We need to collectively sort out this shit. Keep this up and Levy will pull the pin.

rabbikeane · Oct 2, 2019

We'll soon have away games coming up against Liverpool, Everton, Crvena zvezda, West Ham, Manchester United, Bayern, Wolves. Will be fun looking at our away form.

Nebby · Oct 2, 2019

Bulletspur said:
I would add Ndombele and the Subs in the Son and Kane camp

Ndombele’s good for about 45 minutes, then he runs out of gas. The subs did bugger all.

glacierSpurs · Oct 2, 2019

One game after another. Just curious how much more worse will some need to watch before the relationship turns really ugly and boot Poch out of the club for eternity.

3 games before many were still giving him 3 games to settle the unsettled.

2 out of the 3 we fell to Colchester and thrashed by Bayern in our historical home defeat...

glacierSpurs · Oct 2, 2019

stormfly said:
I don’t actually care anymore I can’t invest my money and time in to this team atm. It’s meant to be enjoyable but this is just painful. I just want us to win a few games in succession again.

Nothing can be changed on the player front until Jan and the fact this team is in need of major surgery can’t just be blamed on the manager. I’m pi**ed off with coaches, players, scouting systems and the chairman atm but not sure which one has pi**ed me off the most yet. It’s a complete shambles.

The notion of unsettled, incomplete, no-the-best-bullshit squad is only talked by Poch. I'm still not convinced we have a bunch of league two players, far from it. Did it ever occur to anyone Poch is the one causing the rift and unsettlement? Is he doing on purpose? He's too thoughtful to not know how divisive his actions are.

The players' interaction in their social media told me they are quite a tight bunch of colleagues, if not pals.

glacierSpurs · Oct 2, 2019

beats1 said:
There is nothing wrong with the 4312 but you need a DM like Dier to be in the 3 and cover whilst the full back have to be given clear instructions to attack the wings/space constantly

Poch knew and he did that in his first two season. Heaven knows why the stubbornness to leave Dier out of the team now and persist with some silly diamond formation. Worse thing for me is he did nothing to improve on the last, purely expecting it to be better by keep doing the same.

Karol · Oct 2, 2019

Poch needs to go asap

thefierycamel · Oct 2, 2019

I'm undecided but you can't be losing matches to teams in league 2 and then losing 2-7 a week later in the CL. The issue I have is that it's incredibly vanilla football. There's absolutely no one touch, fast paced play in our games. It's always a million touches to move the ball across the pitch which means that the team can't find space anywhere. Good teams switch the play in literally one or two touches, which is why the break us down so easily. Even Leicester moved the ball much faster. We also lack movement ahead of the ball, most of our attacking players sit deeper and fail to make runs in behind the lines (save for son and alli on occasion).

You can't win things playing with the players we have and playing the way we do. Something has to drastically change

canadacelt · Oct 2, 2019

I voted Poch Out. I loved what he's done for us and there have been some amazing moments but he seems to have lost the players buy-in for more than a year now, far too long to turn it around. I think the CL run last year was in spite of him ,certainly not because of his tactics, more due to the players natural talent and self motivation on the big stage and a bit of luck along the way. This season can still be saved by a manager with sound tactics and good motivational skills., but sadly that's not Poch. I believe there is enough natural talent and quality in this team to still finish Top 4 and keep our club on course for long term success if we don't wait too long to make the change. It does have to be someone the players see as a winner though, we're now a big enough club to attract someone with proven success, not just a philosophy or a project.

I wouldn't be averse to Mourinho, smart proven manager who I get the sense has recently taken some time to reflect on his mistakes and is quite motivated to prove people wrong and will see in us a talented team he can quickly improve and possibly win something. He probably needs us as much as we need him which is potentially a good dynamic for both parties. It's a risk worth taking imho.

LeParisien · Oct 2, 2019

Getting rid of Poch now is tempting because results are good and you can disagree with his decisions.

But I don’t think that fixes the problem - a new guy coming in will face many of the same problems. You’ll get a short-term bounce and then it’ll be the same nonsense from January.

There are too many players not motivated and below the level required. Everyone needs to be at least one of those things if they’re to play. Eriksen shouldn’t be anywhere near the team at the moment. Nor should Alli.

Darrenh61 · Oct 2, 2019

I voted stay. The fantastic league positions he has lead us to over the past 4 years mean he deserves a season to get it right again. I think some historical perspective about where we normally finish in the league needs some consideration here. This run of top 4 positions including a second and two thirds earns the man some slack in my mind. Why would anyone else do better with a squad where 4 or 5 are in the contractual position they are and 2 of your 3 new signings aren’t yet fit?

double0 · Oct 2, 2019

Erm33 said:
He needs to go just because he couldn't tell you his best 11 right now. And he reportedly got the players he wanted this past summer yet there's no best 11. I get people say oh it's a squad game nowadays. I get that but it's not the case. You need the best 11 on the pitch to win things. We won't ever win anything with him in charge, so what is the point of keeping him. We may as well rebuild with a new manager.

Yes you need a squad for options/injuries and some rotation at times but you need to prioritize having your strongest/best 11 available for the big games. That's where we fail now and his constant tinkering with teams and formations etc is just making things worse.

We needed to buy players that fit the system we play and not just buying the best available players we can get because then we end up with the mess of a midfield we have right now and then the right back situation.

He got players very late and unfit...he also wanted a lot more players out, people underestimate the negative affect having players around that also want out.

Pochettinho has made mistakes but he's also performed miracles he mentioned it'll be painful, painful it certainly has been.

I don't know if we can recover from this humiliation we'll all find out but I am 1000% sure we need to shift a hell lot of players
that have become far to comfortable.

Tactically Pochettinho has to make reassessments. We haven't got enough technical players not to work hard and press our CB are not committed dominant or quick enough... So many problems that result was coming.

Wsussexspur · Oct 2, 2019

JCRD said:
IN

Sorry but soemtimes its the players that are the problem. Why did we press in the first 30 mins then just crumble in the last hour? Actually why the fuck are we conceding a few minutes after we scored? Why the fuck are we not clearing our lines in the last seconds before half time? You would think players would learn, it happened against the Arse and happened again.

Why the fuck are we missing chances galore? We could have scored before going 1-0 and then at 1-1 Ndombele should have scored.

I think we need an overhaul in our squad, we are two windows but mainly one window behind - get rid of the shit and bring in who we need including defenders and full backs and go from there...

The recruitment has to start in January my concern is it won’t though!

Wheeler Dealer · Oct 2, 2019

Phil-spur99 said:
This is the sort of “IN” or “OUT” poll that got us in the whole mess with Brexit.

However, I’ve been in the “in” camp whilst I’ve retained hope Poch can turn it around but CL run last season apart we’ve been bad since Wolves at Wembley and I’m starting to lose faith (a) he can turn it around (in part because he so stubborn) and that his heart is in it; and (b) Levy will give him what he needs.

I’m pissed off we’ve ended with a squad where we effectively need our whole defence replacing plus another creative midfielder once CE goes. That is going to take at least half a season to properly drill that defence too so the next 18 months feels like it is going to very tough.

This is a consequence of failing to invest and freshen the squad over the last two years. We got lucky last season but this luck has run its course

mrlilywhite · Oct 2, 2019

journeyman said:
This is a bad spell - and lack of fight or cop on in last 10 mins tonight was shocking - but these bad spells happen in football. If you have a good manager, as we do, you stick with him and give him time to sort it out - that’s what Fergie always got at Man U and it’s what Poch deserves from us.

There was a bloody good reason Fergie was given all the time in the world and that was 38 trophies in a 26 year period V's Poch's Nil trophies and umpteen excuses!

Metalhead · Oct 2, 2019

I wonder whether opinions might be different were we approaching the end of the season. The frustration is that we all know that we still need reinforcements and that is not going to realistically happen until the summer at the earliest so the only other option is to see if a different manager can do more with the available resources. I get that the player side of things isn't the whole picture as people are also frustrated with tactics and Poch's apparent inflexibility.

TheBlueRooster · Oct 2, 2019

journeyman said:
This is a bad spell - and lack of fight or cop on in last 10 mins tonight was shocking - but these bad spells happen in football. If you have a good manager, as we do, you stick with him and give him time to sort it out - that’s what Fergie always got at Man U and it’s what Poch deserves from us.

Spel is a bad spell, this has been going on for a season and more. We can trot out excuse after excuse, not having a home ground, not brining in players, The World Cup, but if you can't lift yourselves to play in the biggest game in recent history and get dumped out of the league cup by Colchester then humiliated at home 7-2, that's more than a bad spell. It's poor management at all levels. Poch ain't no Fergie he's not even a Ranieri.

I've tried to defend him, but I think he is tactically inept, we got away with it for three years as we were young and vibrant but now we are stagnant, no pace, no ideas and deluded that Kane will come to our rescue whenever he gets the ball.

mike_l · Oct 2, 2019

Metalhead said:
I wonder whether opinions might be different were we approaching the end of the season. The frustration is that we all know that we still need reinforcements and that is not going to realistically happen until the summer at the earliest so the only other option is to see if a different manager can do more with the available resources. I get that the player side of things isn't the whole picture as people are also frustrated with tactics and Poch's apparent inflexibility.

I wonder what exactly it will take to piss off the BSoMP, how low do we have to slump before they realise that 12 months of shite performances is not a blip?

He really has brainwashed a lot of fans into thinking he is working with 25 pub players...

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